People who drive at less than 54mph on a clear motorway should be banned unless they have extenuating circumstances.
People who cant drive anywhere close to the speed limit on normal roads when its clear should be banned.
People who sit behind a lorry for ages, despite the right-hand lane being clear, then move out just as youre about to fly past at 70mph should be banned.
Cyclists should be banned from the road, at least until they start buying proper lights and have insurance and road tax.
People who dont know that they need to give the car more or less gas when going from a flat road to a hilly road in order to maintain a constant speed need to be banned.
People who start breaking 5 miles away from the junction/traffic lights need to be banned.
People who leave a 5 mile gap between themselves and a car in front when their queueing need to be banned.
People who sit in the fast lane doing exactly the same speed as the cars in the slow lane need to be banned.
I agree with all these things :ptu:
Also lets ban those that sit in the middle lane at 60-70mph, then move into the outside lane to cut you up because they see you are approaching and then overtake at no faster than 70mph.
women should be banned.....
they think they drive a bendy bus thats towing another bendy bus
Quote from: PetePeople who start breaking 5 miles away from the junction/traffic lights need to be banned.
Nonsense. If you start slowing down early there is much better chance that the lights will have changed when you get to them meaning you dont have to stop which reduces fuel consumption, wear and tear and, most importantly *actually keeps traffic flowing* much better than everyone rushing up to the lights and braking at the last second.
Quote from: NigeAlso lets ban those that sit in the middle lane at 60-70mph, then move into the outside lane to cut you up because they see you are approaching and then overtake at no faster than 70mph.
If theyre in the rightmost overtaking lane and *actually overtaking people* then you have zero right to complain about them doing it at 70. It is not the responsibility of other people to facilitate your breaking of the law.
If they are sitting in the outside lane and not overtaking, then they are in the wrong and should move back to the left lane.
Quote from: GoblinQuote from: PetePeople who start breaking 5 miles away from the junction/traffic lights need to be banned.
Nonsense. If you start slowing down early there is much better chance that the lights will have changed when you get to them meaning you dont have to stop which reduces fuel consumption, wear and tear and, most importantly *actually keeps traffic flowing* much better than everyone rushing up to the lights and braking at the last second.
No.
I mean people who drive like newbies up to a roundabout or something, not just traffic lights.
Ok. Yeah, those guys suck.
there are a lot of bad drivers about, slow, indecisive driving seems to be more dangerous than fast driving.
on a side note the roads themselves are an absolute disgrace at the moment.
Quote from: DEViANCEthere are a lot of bad drivers about, slow, indecisive driving seems to be more dangerous than fast driving.
on a side note the roads themselves are an absolute disgrace at the moment.
And and for each slow, indecisive driver there is an overly aggressive cock who sits three inches from your backside, brakes far too late, then finally overtakes you five minutes from home and slows right down just to piss you off.
Not that Im defending the indecisive knobs out there, but theres a happy middle ground between driving like a complete tool who thinks they own the road and bimbling along stupidly slowly in complete ignorance of everyone else.
There should be some form of psychological evaluation as part of the driving test.
NO, DONT BAN THE BOOBIES! Theyre so nice to look at...
Quote from: PetePeople who drive at less than 54mph on a clear motorway should be banned unless they have extenuating circumstances.
Agree.
QuotePeople who cant drive anywhere close to the speed limit on normal roads when its clear should be banned.
Agree.
QuotePeople who sit behind a lorry for ages, despite the right-hand lane being clear, then move out just as youre about to fly past at 70mph should be banned.
Agree.
QuoteCyclists should be banned from the road, at least until they start buying proper lights and have insurance and road tax.
Agree. Also making it mandatory to take road safety or something. Today I had some complete cock end nearly go over his handlebars as he started to cycle across the end of a junction without looking, which I was just about to reach. Thankfully I was slowing down but if Id have knocked him hed have been into the main road. The cock-end didnt stop being a complete and utter tit there though, proceeding to cycle down the main road off the curb into the oncoming traffic whilst waiting for a gap to cut across it. It truly was one of those moments where I wish Id hit my horn and not let go of it, but the moment passed all too quickly.
QuotePeople who dont know that they need to give the car more or less gas when going from a flat road to a hilly road in order to maintain a constant speed need to be banned.
Agreed.
QuotePeople who start breaking 5 miles away from the junction/traffic lights need to be banned.
It is more fuel efficient and saves some wear and tear, I never needed new brake pads in 7 years of having my micra :| But like most things there is taking it to the extreme.
QuotePeople who leave a 5 mile gap between themselves and a car in front when their queueing need to be banned.
Depends on the circumstances. When theres a long single lane road and you can see that 300m up the road there are several more cars, it makes no difference if youre matching their speed 10m behind them or 30m behind them or 100m behind them. I leave a big gap as again saves on the fuel and brakes. People that want to overtake can as theres a big gap there for them, but theyll be sat behind another car within 5s anyway so why bother :P
QuotePeople who sit in the fast lane doing exactly the same speed as the cars in the slow lane need to be banned.
Agreed.
Id also add "people who generally think road signs and the highway code apply to everyone but themselves" to the list.
For once there was some karma the other week. Approaching the same junction as the ass-wipe of the cyclist mentioned above, I saw a van positioned as if to turn right. "Hang on, its a no right turn" I thought to myself. Promptly followed by "He cant be thinking about it...theres a police car behind him!?" (There was as well, tucked in to the left in the position youd expect to be in for turning left....)
Sure enough as I get closer, the van pulls out to the right. The policecar sits there for a second before starting to pull away to the left, and then swings round to the right and whacks the lights on, almost as if it took a second for it to sink in that the van driver had ignored them being sat right behind him! So there is some justice in the world. Now all I want is to see some of the over aggressive cocks lose it on a corner, totalling their car whilst harming no one but themselves and causing no obstruction to the rest of the traffic. Id of course pull over and offer assistance until the police arrived and then give as damning a statement as I possibly could over how reckless they were. One day...
Quote from: GoblinIf theyre in the rightmost overtaking lane and *actually overtaking people* then you have zero right to complain about them doing it at 70. It is not the responsibility of other people to facilitate your breaking of the law.
If they are sitting in the outside lane and not overtaking, then they are in the wrong and should move back to the left lane.
Sorry, I should have clarified a bit more as I have no problem with them doing the speed limit. My problem is when they are overtaking at a rate about 1mph faster than the middle lane traffic and holding up queues of Audi and BMW drivers such as myself that have no qualms about doing the more realistic 80mph. :P If theyd kept their nose in for 5 more seconds and let me past, then spent ten minutes on their overtake Id be cool with that. Its more an issue with being aware of other road users and allowing them to make progress.
Agreed on all of the above... The one thing that really pisses me off are the drivers on the motorway who over take you, then drive slower than you when they pull in to your lane.
If I set the cruse on the motor way, I only expect to have to over take people, not have to overtake the person that has just overtaken me! Otherwise they just shouldnt have bothered!
The number of people that would do that, or just have a magnetic bumper, has dropped by at least 50% since I swapped the Micra for the Mazda 3 :)
Quote from: Clockd 0NeQuote from: GoblinIf theyre in the rightmost overtaking lane and *actually overtaking people* then you have zero right to complain about them doing it at 70. It is not the responsibility of other people to facilitate your breaking of the law.
If they are sitting in the outside lane and not overtaking, then they are in the wrong and should move back to the left lane.
Sorry, I should have clarified a bit more as I have no problem with them doing the speed limit. My problem is when they are overtaking at a rate about 1mph faster than the middle lane traffic and holding up queues of Audi and BMW drivers such as myself that have no qualms about doing the more realistic 80mph. :P If theyd kept their nose in for 5 more seconds and let me past, then spent ten minutes on their overtake Id be cool with that. Its more an issue with being aware of other road users and allowing them to make progress.
Yep obviously you should be banned. Or at least caught more often.
Some people should chill out rather than just ranting about how others are being tits when they dont realise they are an even bigger one.
The police dont give a flying about you doing 80mph, we all know this as most cars in the outside lane are doing more than 70mph; Ive done 80+mph past police cars on the motorway plenty enough times to know this as fact. Im not going to pretend to be some hypocrite goody-two-shoes that rigidly sticks to the speed limit on the motorway, half of the high and mighty have all done it. Anyone that seriously has never once gone over 70mph on the motorway... well Id hate to live in such awful fear tbh :drama:
Keyboard warriors do your worst, my front wings are like a shield of steel.
I do tend to stick to speed limits more than most I guess but even so I still stick it up to 80mph for the outside lane - venturing in at 70 isnt fair - you just end up with a Trulli train. It annoys me when people overtake others at 1mph. Regardless of what speed they are doing or how close to the speed limit it is, if they only pass at that kind of speed then they might as well have just stayed behind. Theres no gain in that kind of move.
Ive actually been driving very sensible the past year and doing a lot of trips sat at around 70mph for economy and just to generally chill, but there are times where this just isnt practical and you either need to go faster or slower depending on the pace of the lanes. Constantly braking when someone pulls into the middle lane in too small a gap, stabs the brakes, and shifts everyone back down to 65mph is not fun for a 3/4 hour motorway journey. No one would arrest you for safely overtaking at 80mph and keeping the flow of the motorway especially given if your speedo says 80mph chances are you could be doing around 75mph really anyway.
people that dont use roundabouts properly are a particular pain in the hole.
Especially the ones that sit in the left hand lane the whole way round. Or go in the right hand lane to go straight on (12 oclock) unless otherwise indicated
Quote from: Markpeople that dont use roundabouts properly are a particular pain in the hole.
I hate it whenever my parents do a racing line across the roundabouts on the dual carriageways near home, or around corners for that matter. Doesnt matter that they can see the road is clear. one day theyll go to do it and something will be in the blind spot etc...
QuoteEspecially the ones that sit in the left hand lane the whole way round. Or go in the right hand lane to go straight on (12 oclock) unless otherwise indicated
Between home and work theres a dual carriageway that ends with a roundabout that most people go across, and then is single lane. Used to piss me off something rotten when people cut down the right hand lane. It was true about the stereotypes associated with certain kinds of car though as you could normally 9/10 get it right whether they were going to do it based on the car.
Now theyve plastered a crapload of signs all over the place saying left lane is for left and straight on, right lane is right hand turning only....so now we get people bombing it down the right lane, and going round the roundabout 1.5 times to go straight on ><
Quote from: Clockd 0NeThe police dont give a flying about you doing 80mph, we all know this as most cars in the outside lane are doing more than 70mph; Ive done 80+mph past police cars on the motorway plenty enough times to know this as fact. Im not going to pretend to be some hypocrite goody-two-shoes that rigidly sticks to the speed limit on the motorway, half of the high and mighty have all done it. Anyone that seriously has never once gone over 70mph on the motorway... well Id hate to live in such awful fear tbh :drama:
Keyboard warriors do your worst, my front wings are like a shield of steel.
Isnt the prosecution threshold 10% + 2mph, so that would be 79mph?
I know a few people whove been clocked at 85-90 in a flow of traffic and it was a quick three points and a £60 fine.
To be honest I just have so little faith in the police these days that even though most of them exercise a bit of common sense when it comes to speeding I dont think one can assume that they will all ignore you these days, especially if they havent met their quota of on the spot fines for the week.
I personally just dont reckon its worth taking the chance these days if you can avoid it.
No mention of those special people who do 40 nomatter what, 40 on a 60 road, then doing 40 through a 30 zone, imbeciles.
I think a lot depends on who pulls you, a proper road fast road car with trafic cops in it... or a 12yr old in a micra :(
I got 3 points and a £60 fine the other week..... sitting at the lights, handbreak on, fleet off the pedals... I answered my phone quick and said Ill call you back... had to sit there another 30sec or so before the light changed..... got around the corner and got pulled :(
Quote from: zpyderI hate it whenever my parents do a racing line across the roundabouts on the dual carriageways near home, or around corners for that matter. Doesnt matter that they can see the road is clear. one day theyll go to do it and something will be in the blind spot etc...
IIRC this is what is recommended in the Highway Code, so youre in a minority.
Its recommended to cut across 2 lanes of traffic to go straight on at a roundabout? Or to effectively drive down the wrong side of the road for 10m or so because you couldnt be bothered to drive an extra metre and take the corner properly?
Whats the point in having road markings in that case :| The number of times Ive had to hit the brakes because someone either hasnt seen me or has gotten so used to cutting the corners/roundabout that they dont realise theyre in 2 lanes is beyond count.
Quote from: Chris HQuote from: Clockd 0NeThe police dont give a flying about you doing 80mph, we all know this as most cars in the outside lane are doing more than 70mph; Ive done 80+mph past police cars on the motorway plenty enough times to know this as fact. Im not going to pretend to be some hypocrite goody-two-shoes that rigidly sticks to the speed limit on the motorway, half of the high and mighty have all done it. Anyone that seriously has never once gone over 70mph on the motorway... well Id hate to live in such awful fear tbh :drama:
Keyboard warriors do your worst, my front wings are like a shield of steel.
Isnt the prosecution threshold 10% + 2mph, so that would be 79mph?
I know a few people whove been clocked at 85-90 in a flow of traffic and it was a quick three points and a £60 fine.
To be honest I just have so little faith in the police these days that even though most of them exercise a bit of common sense when it comes to speeding I dont think one can assume that they will all ignore you these days, especially if they havent met their quota of on the spot fines for the week.
I personally just dont reckon its worth taking the chance these days if you can avoid it.
Good points, my OP probably makes it sound like I tank it everywhere which really isnt the case, but I do keep my eye on the speedo a bit more when I see the police about. At the same time though Im happy to keep with the flow of traffic in the outside lane doing above 70mph and from my experience the police do not mind as long as traffic is moving and no one is driving dangerously or up the car in fronts backside. I certainly dont think they will pick people out at random from of a line doing 80mph. They often have better things to be doing or want to catch the dangerous speeders tanking it at 120mph, flashing people to move, etc.
Even the time I was stopped for pushing it too far I was only cautioned, the nice chap said something along the lines of "well, looking at it Im going to assume you were paying more attention to the road and not your speedo, just calm it down in future" and that was that. I know I got off extremely lucky that time but not every officer is going to be out to get you. Like you say though its not worth taking the chance these days if you can avoid it, which is why Ive been driving around 70mph everywhere lately.
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Ive got 1 rule on speeding, if there is someone in front of you going faster, its ok
Quote from: MarkOr go in the right hand lane to go straight on (12 oclock) unless otherwise indicated
If its two lanes on approach and exit its perfectly acceptable to use either lane.
I think were all referring to the instances where its 2 lanes into one.
However I have seen equal numbers of people in the left lane go right on a dual lane roundabout, as I have seen people in the right go straight on. Its an accident waiting to happen I tells ya.
People who ride motorbikes. Not seen one yet who doesnt ride like a c*nt.
Quote from: zpyderIts recommended to cut across 2 lanes of traffic to go straight on at a roundabout?
What I was talking about was the case when theres no other traffic, however clearly you mean when there is.
Im talking about any scenario, traffic or no. My reasoning being it promotes a bad practice which at some point could result in a nasty accident on the rare instance that something is in your blind spot that you didnt see. Of course you could argue that you should only do it when you are 100% there is no other traffic, but EVERYONE slips at some point. Im sure the people that nearly plow into me at the end of my grandmothers street because theyre cutting the corner, argue that they only ever do it when theres no other traffic, yet here I am having to slam my brakes on....
Quote from: EddIve got 1 rule on speeding, if there is someone in front of you going faster, its ok
negative road captain, the police will pull the one at the back.
also (confirmed by her indoors as 5 oh of some 6 or 7 years experience, 80on your speedo usually translates to 75 on their tools, which isnt the kind of dnagerous driver they want. the 90mph tailgater, the undertaker, thats what they look for.
most battenberg dibble types actually want more driver training after the test to support newer faster cars and roads. not that this sh*tty govt want it cos itll lessen fine revenue.
One of the reasons for liking my micra was I used to believe that if I was following the traffic doing 80-90mph on the motorway, who would the police pull, the grotty looking micra, or the expensive audi/bmw in front of it...
They could sort it out so that it didnt reduce fine revenue if they wanted...such as mandatory driver training/mini-tests for minor offences, which you have to pay for. They already do it for some things, they could just increase it.
As to the speedos, this comes back to the question of what is likely more accurate, a car speedo or a GPS unit. My money is on the GPS unit, given that at times Ive had 3 different systems running at the same time reporting the same speed, whilst the car speedo is saying its higher.
Cant really blame em though, its safer to overestimate the speed. Its an extra safety net as to get done for doing say 77mph, my speedo would need to be reporting 85mph probably, and really what do you expect when your car says youre doing 15mph more than the limit?
Quote from: EddIve got 1 rule on speeding, if there is someone in front of you going faster, its ok
and if your going faster, they should move out the f**king way
My biggest bugbear, especially so after 4 visits to London in 6 weeks, is all the f**king idiots who sit in the middle lane for no reason what so ever.
Its them that cause most of the traffic congestion!
Quote from: zpyderCant really blame em though, its safer to overestimate the speed. Its an extra safety net as to get done for doing say 77mph, my speedo would need to be reporting 85mph probably, and really what do you expect when your car says youre doing 15mph more than the limit?
Pretty sure we had this exact same conversation about speeding and GPS readings etc on a previous incarnation of Tek about 5 years ago! Pretty sure we concluded that speedos have to read over by law and that maybe its even part of the MoT test?
Quote from: BigSoyQuote from: zpyderCant really blame em though, its safer to overestimate the speed. Its an extra safety net as to get done for doing say 77mph, my speedo would need to be reporting 85mph probably, and really what do you expect when your car says youre doing 15mph more than the limit?
Pretty sure we had this exact same conversation about speeding and GPS readings etc on a previous incarnation of Tek about 5 years ago! Pretty sure we concluded that speedos have to read over by law and that maybe its even part of the MoT test?
Tbh I think we had the convo last year ;)
Quote from: zpyderQuote from: BigSoyQuote from: zpyderCant really blame em though, its safer to overestimate the speed. Its an extra safety net as to get done for doing say 77mph, my speedo would need to be reporting 85mph probably, and really what do you expect when your car says youre doing 15mph more than the limit?
Pretty sure we had this exact same conversation about speeding and GPS readings etc on a previous incarnation of Tek about 5 years ago! Pretty sure we concluded that speedos have to read over by law and that maybe its even part of the MoT test?
Tbh I think we had the convo last year ;)
I dont think so - weve all just been here a lot longer than we ever planned to be :D
I thought we had it after I returned from my sabatical from the forums...which would have been no earlier than Summer 08 0.o