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Title: Traction
Post by: Poison_UK on November 24, 2006, 23:36:07 PM
Apart from lowering the car, ensuring tyres are all okay etc what can I do to increase the traction on the car. I drift 90% of the time at the moment, usually having to slam on the hand break and push power through to put the car into a controlled drift.

Any tips please?
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Post by: funkychicken9000 on November 24, 2006, 23:44:48 PM
Stop pretending youre on a rally stage?  :?
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Post by: DEViANCE on November 24, 2006, 23:46:45 PM
drive slower
Title: Traction
Post by: redneck on November 24, 2006, 23:53:19 PM
buy new tyres so you arent "drifting"
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Post by: Serious on November 25, 2006, 00:10:42 AM
Install brain MK2 or at least use the one you have.
Title: Traction
Post by: Binary Shadow on November 25, 2006, 00:11:59 AM
its wet.. drive slower.. hardly rocket science. if its FWD and the back end is coming out check the tyre pressures and drive slower.

i thought i drove hard yet iv never had my car (240bhp 4x4) break away into a "drift" i dont know how people can drive fast enough to do it, it must be insane speeds!

and drift is just a term to make people more comfortable with the fact its actually a slide they are actually in very little to no control of the car.
Title: Traction
Post by: Leon on November 25, 2006, 00:25:46 AM
Quote from: Poison_UKApart from lowering the car, ensuring tyres are all okay etc what can I do to increase the traction on the car. I drift 90% of the time at the moment, usually having to slam on the hand break and push power through to put the car into a controlled drift.

Any tips please?

Guys from that post i get he wants to drift (controlled ofc) :P go slower doesnt help :)
Title: Traction
Post by: Binary Shadow on November 25, 2006, 00:28:08 AM
no such thing as a controlled drift
Title: Traction
Post by: Leon on November 25, 2006, 00:29:25 AM
Suppose your right there, Ive been playing too much Burnout :)
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Post by: Mark on November 25, 2006, 00:29:46 AM
activa. more tyre contact due to near zero body roll, more grip than just about any other car out there.

and driving slower, lower front suspension (or raise rear), increase track, more front toe out,  ,more negative camber on front suspension, softer compound tyres, stiffen rear shock absorbers, blah blah blah....
Title: Traction
Post by: Edd on November 25, 2006, 00:30:04 AM
yea stop pretending youre a rally driver and drive properly
Title: Traction
Post by: Poison_UK on November 25, 2006, 01:06:13 AM
Serieously 10mph around a roundabout should be fine yes? Im still getting stupid movement.
Title: Traction
Post by: Poison_UK on November 25, 2006, 01:08:54 AM
205s on steelies.... It just aint working at all....

Arrgg and Roll ask Knighty about the roll on the thing. His reaction was "ermm is this a clown car?" Ive replaced all shocks, dampers and springs yet still not killing the roll.. Also checked the integrity of the anti-roll bar and its fine...

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Post by: Serious on November 25, 2006, 01:15:27 AM
Get a new car then :P
Title: Traction
Post by: Poison_UK on November 25, 2006, 01:18:19 AM
No just do more work on this one.. Way too much fun having my head under a bonnet. Even tho im spending a lot of cash on nothing...
Title: Traction
Post by: knighty on November 25, 2006, 10:40:29 AM
it does roll like a bitch :(

can you get some more aggressive anti-roll bars for it ?

all I can think of tbh after youve replaced prettymuch everything else :(
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Post by: Mark on November 25, 2006, 11:52:36 AM
stiffening the roll bars will cause more sliding
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Post by: Pete on November 25, 2006, 12:41:29 PM
Is the tracking sorted?

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Post by: soopahfly on November 25, 2006, 13:44:48 PM
FWD Cars dont "Drift"
They slide.
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Post by: mr_roll on November 25, 2006, 19:30:44 PM
Get a rallye! :P
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Post by: DEViANCE on November 25, 2006, 19:46:51 PM
how long have the current tyres been on it?
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Post by: knighty on November 25, 2006, 22:24:43 PM
Quote from: Markstiffening the roll bars will cause more sliding

I was thinking the excessive roll would cause more sliding ?


tbh.... just be gratefull its not understeering :)
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Post by: DEViANCE on November 25, 2006, 22:27:43 PM
Quote from: knighty
Quote from: Markstiffening the roll bars will cause more sliding

I was thinking the excessive roll would cause more sliding ?


tbh.... just be gratefull its not understeering :)

it is understeering isnt it? i.e. he turns the wheel and it keeps going forwards...  :?:
Title: Traction
Post by: Binary Shadow on November 25, 2006, 22:29:05 PM
"drifting" would = oversteer i would have thought, but pulling the handbrake at any time would be not clever yet he says he "has" to
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Post by: DEViANCE on November 25, 2006, 22:39:12 PM
seeing as I am board and drunk i drew a pic of what i thought he was saying was happening.

(http://www.robdav.nildram.co.uk/oversteer.JPG)

the black line is what a decent car does.
the red line is his pug understeering going around the roundabout
the green is after he has used the handbrake to correct.

i had a car that used to always do it, was caused by old tyres, they had loadsof tread but coz the car had been sitting they had gone hard
Title: Traction
Post by: Poison_UK on November 27, 2006, 11:17:18 AM
All tyres are sub 2 months old. Thinking of buying some winter tyres...

Im going to take it into a garage this week on Thursday and get them to ensure my suspension install is all sound. Also see what they can do about the roll.

If it cant be delt with I think i am going to move over to a Xantria for the winter. 2l turbo I think.. Insurance is not bad at all :)
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Post by: Pete on November 29, 2006, 11:56:07 AM
Whoa, this just happened to me, going round a sharp corner at like 10mph and the back end slid round about 6ft, cool :mrgreen:

The road was damp but nothing unusual I had a look at my tyres n just realised theyre budget. Oh the shame  :whoops:
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Post by: mr_roll on November 29, 2006, 12:16:34 PM
The only time I understeer is when I floor it and my cheapo tyres I put on there are struggling for grip.