Righty, at last I have actually got things sorted and should be getting my restricted bike licence in a couple of weeks (I?m only 20 so stuck with it)
Anyway, the question is what bike do I get? When restricted to 250cc I?m not sure what?s out there and what?s worth looking at? One of the ideas mentioned to me was getting a bigger bike (such as the SV650) and get it restricted.
Anyone got any recommendations? Prob have a budget of around Ã,£2K but of course would rather spend less / include gear such as helmet and clothing in there.
Thanks
Dooms / Leon
Kawasaki Ninja 250. Despite the funky plastic cladding, its a brilliant ride. Sit up and beg ergonomics and will easily do a ton if youre not scared to rev.
http://www.pashnit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1145
(http://www.cyclebc.ca/bike%20pics/mc_kaw_ninja250.jpg)
Prefere the naked bikes without all the plastic but it still doesnt look bad
I like naked as well, but performance speaks for itself, the Ninja 250 just walks all over the competition. Im capable of riding 1000cc+ bikes with confidence, but Id ride the little Ninja proudly. Its not aspiring to be a big bike, its goal is to be a bleeping brilliant 250, and it pulls it off.
After I was done with my ped I got a Suzuki GN250, was nice but very slow, was just a transition bike.
(http://www.250ccbikes.com/images/gn250.jpg)
What I would recommend (what I had) is a restricted Suzuki Banditt 400. Its fast (0-60) the 33bhp restriction doesnt affect the acceleration much upto 60, but after that your at a bit of a loss.
(http://www.ibike.com.hk/01_bike_report/local/suzuki/previous_95bandit400v/9500_bandit400v_22k.jpg)
I went from that to having it unrestricted to having a 600 Banditt. Its a great stepping stone/learning curve.
400cc Banditts were never released in the uk officially but there are a few imports around. Restriction is ~ Ã,£120 and the insurance companys arent to keen on it but your on a proper bike with proper handling and brakes.
Max, are you sure the Ninja is 33bhp? The law over here is officially that the bike has to be 33bhp (first 2 years), it just so happens that that is mostly 250cc bikes.
I believe the Ninja is well under 33bhp, around 30 or so, but its insane redline makes up for it. :lol: Think the bikes about to explode at 10K? Youve got 4K till redline! :w00t: :D
Sounds the same as the Bandit 400 (when unrestricted) 10-14k is red line, needed to be kept > 6k all the time if you want to ride it fast.
When it was restricted anything < 10k did nothing.
Quote from: maximusotterI believe the Ninja is well under 33bhp, around 30 or so, but its insane redline makes up for it. :lol: Think the bikes about to explode at 10K? Youve got 4K till redline! :w00t: :D
Kawasakis paperwork says 33 but you are more likely to get something under 28.
33 would be fine, I seem to recall it being something like 33.3bhp.
BTW, the restrictor kit for faster bikes are literally washers that restrict fuel flow. The Ã,£120 is really just for the certificate to prove its restricted ... but if your got a friendly local bike shop ;-)
Quote from: sexytwBTW, the restrictor kit for faster bikes are literally washers that restrict fuel flow. The Ã,£120 is really just for the certificate to prove its restricted ... but if your got a friendly local bike shop ;-)
blimey, that cant be good
If you have a restricted fuel flow, your going to be running lean on full-throttle, as the throttle body still lets in the full amount of air, but theres no extra fuelling... and thus giving the internals a good caning, and reducing the already short/disposable life time of a bike engine.
thats a bit pap, but I suppose it stops joe average fixing his bike if it were, say the throttle that was being stopped from turning the full way, or whatever.
Its true, the bike seemed happy, but im sure it wasnt good for it.
Luckily my Dad owns my local bike shop so I only had it restricted while I was getting used to the bike.
so only real recommendation is the Ninja 250 apart from a 600 Bandit, however isnt the Bandit 4 stroke (bad for restricting) while the SV650 is a V engine wich you can get away with since even tho its restricted it still keeps its power at low revs?
end of the day im going on what ive picked up so definatly correct if wrong! cheers1
Kawasaki GPZ500s for a faired bike or the naked Kawasaki ER5
Same bike underneith, excellent learner bikes and easy to restrict/de-restrict.
Youll find a lot of learner schools use these bikes too. Easy to ride plenty of power that doesnt come on quick enough to scare you.
Quote from: soopahflyKawasaki GPZ500s for a faired bike or the naked Kawasaki ER5
Same bike underneith, excellent learner bikes and easy to restrict/de-restrict.
Youll find a lot of learner schools use these bikes too. Easy to ride plenty of power that doesnt come on quick enough to scare you.
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ER-5
Describe an ideal entry level motorcycle and youve described the Kawasaki ER-5.
Designed for European riders, the ER-5 wraps a responsive 8-valve, 498cc twin cylinder water-cooled engine in a tubular chassis for surefooted handling and dependable performance.
Thats a V-Twin engined bike too.
I did my test on an ER5, im pretty sure they are < 33bhp as standard.
I found it really underpowered, we were told we had to give it everything when we went onto the dual carridgeways otherwise we would be failed for going to slow.
But as said above they are ideal if your not overly comfortable on a bike.
The restriction is normally done by putting restrictor plates in the inlet rubbers
aye restriction is either ecu based or done at the engine inlets.
so its still fuelled ok just doesnt get its full flow into it and starves it.
i had (well still got) a hornet 250 as my first bigger bike, put out about 38 according to specs so needed inlet restrictors (being carbed)
that red lines at 16k rpm, restriction i could only feel after 10k,
once removed (had two months till i could take em off) it catries on screaming to the limiter :D
id recommend getting something officially imported into the country though if you can do unless you like tracking down parts.
(hornet 250 is a grey import, can order parts but a big delay unless youve got a part book) plus servicing is a pain too, most official garages wont wanna know.
parallel imports are better but still have their downsides like headlights dipping the wrong way and can be just as expensive if not more getting to correct uk spec.
just some things to be aware of thats all.
Ah now im just confused what bike it get.
My dad has actualy offered me his Suzuki 600 (unsure what model it is - need to ask him) which i could just get restricted. Not sure if i want it tho
Woo, did my Theory this morning and passed.
Got my CBT booked for next weekend and have to sort out another 4days for the rest of the test at some point early next month
Been looking and it may actually be easier for me to get a brand new SV650 since most dealers are doing 0% finance. 1yr tax, 1yr mot, 2yr warrenty, 2yr AA cover... sort of bring its closer to the cost of getting a used bike.
The SV650 is designed for women and short men though.
Theyre grand enough, but theyre all noise and no go.
hmmm even so its something not too large for me to get started on :)
My first bike after the test was (I think) either a KR1-S which I still have, and one of the first of many RD350s that I still have two of. RD350 YPVSs were great (And still are - theyll cane anything up to a 600 in the real world and with a little money spent theyll cane a 600)
Most recent 2-stroke acquisition is a Suzuki RG500 which will out accelerate *any* modern superbike up to about 80/90mph. Even the standard ones were quicker accelerating than modern superbikes.
My main problem is that im going to have to restrict any bike i get (for about 10months). The SV being a V-Twin restricts well.
Im not sure how being a V-Twin aids restriction but yes, it would respond better to restriction than a two-stroke.
The restriction isnt for ten months either!
Quote from: DoomsMy main problem is that im going to have to restrict any bike i get (for about 10months). The SV being a V-Twin restricts well.
How do you figure 10 months? Its 2 years from when you pass the RAS test isnt it? Regardless of whether you hit 21 in the meantime. Unless you take the DAS course afterwards.
I keep meaning to do my own DAS - Im already on my second CBT now as the first one expired! But I never seem to be able to get the spare cash together to do it.
Quote from: BXGTi16VIm not sure how being a V-Twin aids restriction but yes, it would respond better to restriction than a two-stroke.
The restriction isnt for ten months either!
Well from what i understand the V-twins have more torque at lower revs and since when you restrict a bike you cant get to the higher revs it responds better.
QuoteHow do you figure 10 months? Its 2 years from when you pass the RAS test isnt it? Regardless of whether you hit 21 in the meantime. Unless you take the DAS course afterwards.
Thats my plan, after the 10months if im feeling confident ill do my DAS
Restriction never stays in for 2 years anyway.
I thought if you hit 21... then the restriction is lifted.
nope... its either 2 years after having a restricted full licence (if your 21 or not) or when you are 21 you can do a Direct Access Course to unrestrict your licence
Quote from: DoomsQuote from: BXGTi16VIm not sure how being a V-Twin aids restriction but yes, it would respond better to restriction than a two-stroke.
The restriction isnt for ten months either!
Well from what i understand the V-twins have more torque at lower revs and since when you restrict a bike you cant get to the higher revs it responds better.
QuoteHow do you figure 10 months? Its 2 years from when you pass the RAS test isnt it? Regardless of whether you hit 21 in the meantime. Unless you take the DAS course afterwards.
Thats my plan, after the 10months if im feeling confident ill do my DAS
Thats not really the case any more - maybe back in the days of prehistoric restriction!
When I did my test there was no limit for 2 years - but that was 11 yrs ago...