Well PGR3 keeps locking up but now im getting disc read errors :(
The game is in MINT condition yet its tried to run it as a DVD Video and shown an "insert in xbox 360" message
and now its just fallen over with a "disc unreadable" message and the game crapped out :( lost my place as well :(
POS tbh iv totally lost confidence in it and might refund it rather than just replace it
replaced the console now.. if this one has issues ill probably refund it and grab a wii or not bother at all
360s have been weird little things - some people have no end of problems with them whilst others have no probs what so ever. I was going to get one this xmas but I think Ill leave it until theyve sorted themselves out.
2 weeks ago mine started locking up on random occasions. This week it started happening all the time (within 5mins of power on). Wednesday it gave me the 3 red lights on boot :(
After spending an hour on the phone to MS support registering my details, they sent me a UPS collection label...with the wrong sodding details on it. So another 30mins on the phone yesterday and they promised me a new shipping label; its not here yet :s
Im losing faith, fast.
big thumbs up for microsoft when mine went wrong.. ok im ignouring the fact that it shouldnt of gone wrong.
From phone call to console return was 5 working days
Day 1 - ring them and get shipping labels
Day 2 - Collect
Day 3 - Recieved and Testing
Day 4 - On its way back
Day 5 - Plugged in and back to gaming.
mine does lock occasionally. Its not very often so not a huge problem but it has happened a couple of times since I got it at launch. annoying but kind of expected in first batch
More frustrating is they still havent got any really good games out on it yet.
Quote from: Doomsbig thumbs up for microsoft when mine went wrong.. ok im ignouring the fact that it shouldnt of gone wrong.
From phone call to console return was 5 working days
Day 1 - ring them and get shipping labels
Day 2 - Collect
Day 3 - Recieved and Testing
Day 4 - On its way back
Day 5 - Plugged in and back to gaming.
Likewise here, and when it came back I had a samsung drive :mrgreen:
I can understand why. ;)
this new one seems far more solid, got a pre owned ratty looking Burnout Revenge and its running it fine and PGR3 hasnt locked up yet either, result!
Its things like this make me *really* tempted in buying the extended warranty.
Im still waiting for mine to come back :(
Is it just me, or do a lot of these problems seem eerily familiar from other Microsoft products...
Meh considering that the PS3 will prob burn down your house when your sleeping i dont think M$s problems are too bad :)
Quote from: ShakeyIs it just me, or do a lot of these problems seem eerily familiar from other Microsoft products...
Most of their hardware products work fine, I have used a natural keyboard for three years and it just works.
Mind keeping their software afloat is like trying to plug a colander.
I think they might have pushed these out the door a bit fast.
I think with the PS3 there are going to be quite a few with disc reading problems. If they are struggling to make the bluray laser diodes the ones that are passing may not be passing by much. :-/
Got my 360 back today, looks like its fixed :)
They even threw in a new front plate :D
I just purchased extended warranty for my 360, only cost Ã,£44.95 for 2 years or 24.95 for 1 year. I went with 2 years :D
Im tempted to do the same, itll be the first time Ill have ever bought extended warranty :o
With the 360 I think its a wise purchase, at least then if anything goes wrong you get a replacement. If you dont that is Ã,£180/Ã,£299 down the drain and have to replace it or sell you games.
All you hear about are 360s failing. I havent had a problem with mine since I got it (touch wood).
Youre lucky :)
Ive had to send mine back once already and I believe it might be going again soon too :s
Ive had no gfx output a couple of times on boot; I get sound but just a black screen. 2 or 3 reboots later and its fine :s
bah Ive never had to send my dreamcast back......
Havent had to RMA these yet:
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:mrgreen:
dont know how old this is but i dug it up anyhow
my nefew at xmas got a 360 .. 3 days later it started scratching disks . big ring scratches .. got it replaced at virgin .. 2nd one 2 days later did the same thing .. took it back and got the cash back and got a ps3 . no problems so far ....
fair enough 1 going wrong but 2 machines in 1 week .. gotta be sommat serously wrong there
Quote from: weazeldont know how old this is but i dug it up anyhow
my nefew at xmas got a 360 .. 3 days later it started scratching disks . big ring scratches .. got it replaced at virgin .. 2nd one 2 days later did the same thing .. took it back and got the cash back and got a ps3 . no problems so far ....
fair enough 1 going wrong but 2 machines in 1 week .. gotta be sommat serously wrong there
yes there was a known problem.
Its because some cd drives didnt have padding in them so it couldnt cope with disc wobble. iirc it didnt show up because MS expected people would keep the consoles still but people apparently move them when theyre on and even knock them over. The missing felt things mean the moving disc touches the plastic tray = scratches.
I thought all new XBoxes had the felt tho so may be worth suggesting he doesnt shake it around when playing :)
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: weazeldont know how old this is but i dug it up anyhow
my nefew at xmas got a 360 .. 3 days later it started scratching disks . big ring scratches .. got it replaced at virgin .. 2nd one 2 days later did the same thing .. took it back and got the cash back and got a ps3 . no problems so far ....
fair enough 1 going wrong but 2 machines in 1 week .. gotta be sommat serously wrong there
yes there was a known problem.
they both seamed to be fine when running cold .. but after a few hours and theyd warmed up theyd scratch disks ... i guessing something is expanding and pushing the lens or something into the disks
Ive got two 360s. Both older 2006 consoles. One does scratch the discs but only everso slightly at the edge in the same place/pattern. Doesnt bother me, its like its saying "ITS MINE, NOMNOMNOM"
Not bothered with any extended warrenties, as Ive opened both consoles. Ones flash-banned and has RRODd in the past, but I fixed it. the other I changed the fans. Im soon going to be swapping my flash-banned console for a fresh Falcon one, and then flash my current live machine.
Quote from: SteveFIts because some cd drives didnt have padding in them so it couldnt cope with disc wobble. iirc it didnt show up because MS expected people would keep the consoles still but people apparently move them when theyre on and even knock them over. The missing felt things mean the moving disc touches the plastic tray = scratches.
I thought all new XBoxes had the felt tho so may be worth suggesting he doesnt shake it around when playing :)
it used to scratch them in the middle of the disks generally ... that wouldnt make sense if it was wobble ... it would be at the edge .. used to make really clear rings ... even so u would have thought they would have sorted it out by now
AFAIK The ring of death can happen anywhere on the outer half of the disk, further in is less likely as it has to bend excessively.
I read a rather good explanation of how the scratch happens. player bangs something, despite beign scross room the 360 shakes slightly causing the very fast spinning disc to wobble and get scratched. However, the scratch will only be long after the bang that caused it sinec it will be some time before the laser tries to read the damaged part of the disc or the user takes it out and wonders how their disc was damaged.
The discs are damaged by the laser head which is why its always scratched in a different area to where the lens is currently reading.
Actually, found the link after 2 seconds looking. http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkpEluEFuyGnAwYfVT.php
Quote from: Deaths HeadI read a rather good explanation of how the scratch happens. player bangs something, despite beign scross room the 360 shakes slightly causing the very fast spinning disc to wobble and get scratched. However, the scratch will only be long after the bang that caused it sinec it will be some time before the laser tries to read the damaged part of the disc or the user takes it out and wonders how their disc was damaged.
The discs are damaged by the laser head which is why its always scratched in a different area to where the lens is currently reading.
Actually, found the link after 2 seconds looking. http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkpEluEFuyGnAwYfVT.php
id buy into that explination sounds about right to me ... but if thats so MS ovoiusly made a bad design and didnt test it properly before hand ... i mean they spend loads on marketing and figuring out there target market .. but they dont design it around them? hows that work ... there target market is, i assume gonna be young people, which are gonna jump around a bit more .... who tested the consoles? OAPs .. no offence to OAPs
They were in such a rush to get the 360 out that they did not have time to properly check these things. Just look at the inadequate cooling on the gfx chip.
Quote from: Deaths HeadThey were in such a rush to get the 360 out that they did not have time to properly check these things. Just look at the inadequate cooling on the gfx chip.
think its a case of going to the lowest bidder ... and theyve tryed to save ££ on building them and testing
Quote from: weazelQuote from: Deaths HeadI read a rather good explanation of how the scratch happens. player bangs something, despite beign scross room the 360 shakes slightly causing the very fast spinning disc to wobble and get scratched. However, the scratch will only be long after the bang that caused it sinec it will be some time before the laser tries to read the damaged part of the disc or the user takes it out and wonders how their disc was damaged.
The discs are damaged by the laser head which is why its always scratched in a different area to where the lens is currently reading.
Actually, found the link after 2 seconds looking. http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkpEluEFuyGnAwYfVT.php
id buy into that explination sounds about right to me ... but if thats so MS ovoiusly made a bad design and didnt test it properly before hand ... i mean they spend loads on marketing and figuring out there target market .. but they dont design it around them? hows that work ... there target market is, i assume gonna be young people, which are gonna jump around a bit more .... who tested the consoles? OAPs .. no offence to OAPs
look at how much jumping about you do playing wii boxing? that doesnt scratch the disk...
im guessing its down to the cheapest drive in the xbox and one of a better quality in the wii then?
matt
Quote from: weazelit used to scratch them in the middle of the disks generally ... that wouldnt make sense if it was wobble ... it would be at the edge .. used to make really clear rings ... even so u would have thought they would have sorted it out by now
nope - its not wobble having the edges of the disc touch the tray - its the wobble causing the disc to touch the lens support. That can be anywhere on the disc :)
Quote from: weazelthink its a case of going to the lowest bidder ... and theyve tryed to save ££ on building them and testing
Not likely - the most likely reason was they simply didnt consider that type of motion when they designed it. It was actually one of the CD drive suppliers who was at fault not really Microsoft. Out of all the things to design and test in a cutting edge hardware platform I could imagine that vibration testing on wooden floorboards during game play on every supplier of CD drive was not their highest priority and they simply missed it.
Theyll have developed it in a concrete floored building so it probably never showed until they went live. Didnt they do free fixes/cloth kits and replacement discs a while back or did I imagine that?
It was just a silly mistake. They happen.
Quote from: bytejunkielook at how much jumping about you do playing wii boxing? that doesnt scratch the disk...
im guessing its down to the cheapest drive in the xbox and one of a better quality in the wii then?
matt
Well the wii doesnt have that one brand of cd drive so it should be unaffected. If the drive had the felt/stoppers around the lens then theyd have been fine. Not all xboxes have that cd drive in so not all have the problem. (Which is why Im suprized a new xbox from a shop has the issue).
The wii was released after the xbox came out so itll have been tested for before hitting the shelves.
They didnt test bridges for people walking in sync. The millenium bridge shook itslef crazy. Now all bridges are tested that way. This is the equivalent for games consoles.
QuoteThe wii was released after the xbox came out so itll have been tested for before hitting the shelves.
They didnt test bridges for people walking in sync. The millenium bridge shook itslef crazy. Now all bridges are tested that way. This is the equivalent for games consoles.
that may be true but if u look back at the ps1 they had loads of play in the mechanisum, they knew the consoles are gonna get thrown about ... and designed accordingly .. its not like its really a new problem that has arrised ... measures could have been made along time ago
i see what your saying with bridges ... learn from ur mistakes .... but prevention measures have been used along time before the 360 there shouldnt have been this issue
I dont know what all the fuss is about. My 360 sits on a really wobbly shelf and has never marked any disks. How much abuse are you people giving a running console for gods sake?
Quote from: RivkidI dont know what all the fuss is about. My 360 sits on a really wobbly shelf and has never marked any disks. How much abuse are you people giving a running console for gods sake?
if u have one of the bad drives in the 360 u dont have to do anything they just scratch them