http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6762621.stm
Might be a bit short-sighted of Blockbuster to make a decision relatively early on in the "war". Undoubtably a major coup for bluray though, millions of US customers will be faced with 1 high-def format at their local BB rental, might swing sales of hardware in blurays favour
Quote from: SwissTonihttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6762621.stm
Might be a bit short-sighted of Blockbuster to make a decision relatively early on in the "war". Undoubtably a major coup for bluray though, millions of US customers will be faced with 1 high-def format at their local BB rental, might swing sales of hardware in blurays favour
You can not say that is the first battle becuase hd won that with the porn industry and the porn industry is slightly bigger then block buster :)
:s
i read that one of the biggest hi-def porno producers chose blu-ray last year.. unless somethings changed?
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/83552
that might explain the porn industries stance...
bluray partners dont want the smut distributed on bluray discs :D
Bluray partners may well not want it - but its still a huge huge bonus for HD DVD and a very narrow minded decision from Bluray.
That said anyone else still perfectly happy with DVD? :D
http://www.tekforums.co.uk/posts/list/8321.page
Quote from: neXusYou can not say that is the first battle becuase hd won that with the porn industry and the porn industry is slightly bigger then block buster :)
Means nothing TBH
Im sure disc for disc, that more hollywood movies are sold that porno movies worldwide. What Ratio of Movies do you have compared to Pornos?
Quote from: EggtasticoWhat Ratio of Movies do you have compared to Pornos?
you wouldnt believe me if i told you ;) but i do spend a lot of time on the web!
lol.
Its not about the ratio to be fair, its more about the initial adoption. Pron has been the forerunner in web technology for a while. member areas, online payment gateways etc.
I still think cheap pc burners will define the winner of this battle, but im not as knowledgable as the rest of you lot.
Matt
HD-DVD seemed to be ahead last time i checked the battle, but on the subject of burners... blue-ray strikes me as the one thats more suited to data-storage than HD-DVD (maybe its just the name tho)
the ONLY advantage for the PS3 is that you have the blue-ray player built in, but there are no decent games and any that are decent are on the 360 anyway
Quote from: bytejunkieQuote from: EggtasticoWhat Ratio of Movies do you have compared to Pornos?
you wouldnt believe me if i told you ;) but i do spend a lot of time on the web!
lol.
Matt
I meant purchased movies..
Otherwise, Ill lose my argument against myself :mrgreen:
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusYou can not say that is the first battle becuase hd won that with the porn industry and the porn industry is slightly bigger then block buster :)
Means nothing TBH
Im sure disc for disc, that more hollywood movies are sold that porno movies worldwide. What Ratio of Movies do you have compared to Pornos?
LOL, Where you been?
Of course it does
The porn industry AND the gaming industy are BOTH bigger then the movie industry these days and it is very well known (google and you will get pahes and pages) that the porn industry has made the mediums
VHS - porn industy took hold of it, made it like crazy caused it to beat betamax, dvd same the porn industry was the one that first embraced it and got it into the world as it is
There are a number of documentaries that have been made about it as well and it has been discussed befroe.
Swiss - one porn company wanted to make blueray and hddvd but sony will not let porn use their replications plan, but they have found one replication plant which is 3rd party but its small scale.
Quote from: neXusQuote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusYou can not say that is the first battle becuase hd won that with the porn industry and the porn industry is slightly bigger then block buster :)
Means nothing TBH
Im sure disc for disc, that more hollywood movies are sold that porno movies worldwide. What Ratio of Movies do you have compared to Pornos?
LOL, Where you been?
Of course it does
The porn industry AND the gaming industy are BOTH bigger then the movie industry these days and it is very well known (google and you will get pahes and pages) that the porn industry has made the mediums
VHS - porn industy took hold of it, made it like crazy caused it to beat betamax, dvd same the porn industry was the one that first embraced it and got it into the world as it is
There are a number of documentaries that have been made about it as well and it has been discussed befroe.
Swiss - one porn company wanted to make blueray and hddvd but sony will not let porn use their replications plan, but they have found one replication plant which is 3rd party but its small scale.
Agreed - the porn industry is always a heavy player in these things and always will be. Lets face it VHS had nothing else going for it.
lol I thought you were joking.
Bluray lost it ages ago. :)
As I said in the other post the very very strong rumour is that Sony US gave them crap loads of cash to do it.
Sony is again doing what they did with other mediums pump money (which they do not have but seems to appear) and pay people to stock their stuff.
Remember minidisk they got virgin stores to stock music in it - did not last very long.
Do not know where this "blue ray is winning" "ps3 is outselling the other consoles" talk is coming from around at the moment becuase its all a load of tosh at the end of the day.
i think too many of you have an unhealthy knowledge of the porn industry :)
Quote from: SwissTonii think too many of you have an unhealthy knowledge of the porn industry :)
Just the tech industry because many of the tech sites use the porn industry in terms of media technology becuase they are at the top and push for it.
With the gaming industry and porn industry they are way ahead of the movie industry these days in so many areas now, movies are lagging behind in many areas.
Prime example of tv and movie streaming that is legal, look at how crap the quality is compared to say divx steaming illegal uploaded movies which are almost hd and play straight the way.
its only because the porn industry tends to define formats.
Blockbuster and Sony are pretty closely tied so Im not suprised to be honest. If any of the mail systems like flikster went Blu ray Id be suprised but blockbuster was almost a cert as soon as Sony said they were picking that format.
Are blu ray actually anywhere close to the number of sales of HD-DVD yet? Last I checked they were WAAAAY behind. And the XBoxs HD-DVD player hasnt arrived yet which will be the final nail.
Quote from: neXusLOL, Where you been?
Of course it does
The porn industry AND the gaming industy are BOTH bigger then the movie industry these days and it is very well known (google and you will get pahes and pages) that the porn industry has made the mediums
VHS - porn industy took hold of it, made it like crazy caused it to beat betamax, dvd same the porn industry was the one that first embraced it and got it into the world as it is
There are a number of documentaries that have been made about it as well and it has been discussed befroe.
Swiss - one porn company wanted to make blueray and hddvd but sony will not let porn use their replications plan, but they have found one replication plant which is 3rd party but its small scale.
who said anything about games? Porns biggest distibution is through the internet. I dont believe for a minute that disc for disc, more porn is sold on DVD than any other media.
Betamax lost the war because of its running time. It had nothing to do with porn.
Quote from: RivkidAgreed - the porn industry is always a heavy player in these things and always will be. Lets face it VHS had nothing else going for it.
It had going for it what counted... Longer running times.
Quote from: neXusAs I said in the other post the very very strong rumour is that Sony US gave them crap loads of cash to do it.
Sony is again doing what they did with other mediums pump money (which they do not have but seems to appear) and pay people to stock their stuff.
Remember minidisk they got virgin stores to stock music in it - did not last very long.
Do not know where this "blue ray is winning" "ps3 is outselling the other consoles" talk is coming from around at the moment becuase its all a load of tosh at the end of the day.
everyone knows the wii is outselling everything.. PS3 probably is outselling Xboxs now.. because everyone who wanted an xbox has probably already got one. Gamers aint your 7 & 8 year old.. your games are the 25-30 year olds who can afford to buy a new console 6 months after release if wanted... and not wait until their bday/xmas.
I doubt if Sony paid Blockbuster. Id be suprised if Sony had the money..
How much would it cost? lets say they rented 33 hd-dvds per store per day. Rental was $3 a night. thats $99 a day in income x 250 stores = just short of $25k per day.. I doubt if Sony will be coughing up the best part of $175k a week.. and thats just based on 250 stores. Theres over 1400 stores in the chain.
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusLOL, Where you been?
Of course it does
The porn industry AND the gaming industy are BOTH bigger then the movie industry these days and it is very well known (google and you will get pahes and pages) that the porn industry has made the mediums
VHS - porn industy took hold of it, made it like crazy caused it to beat betamax, dvd same the porn industry was the one that first embraced it and got it into the world as it is
There are a number of documentaries that have been made about it as well and it has been discussed befroe.
Swiss - one porn company wanted to make blueray and hddvd but sony will not let porn use their replications plan, but they have found one replication plant which is 3rd party but its small scale.
who said anything about games? Porns biggest distibution is through the internet. I dont believe for a minute that disc for disc, more porn is sold on DVD than any other media.
Betamax lost the war because of its running time. It had nothing to do with porn.
I am sorry dude but You just way off anything, you have made no effort to even check on anything so I am not even going to bother linking countless articles, stories, even TV documentaries about it.
Your very wrong, sorry but you are, Porn chose VHS and pushed it to the limit before the movie industry becuase from start to finish in terms of production vhs is cheaper, and then movies followed etc.
While everyone pushes for new tech in media the porn industry is the one that chooses it and everyone knows the gaming industry and porn industry are large then the film industry.
You even make the point with the comment about the net - porn there first and the movie and tv companies only just starting to get into it years later.
Bet you anything as well pc game format of the future - hd-dvd again becuase of the costs! and again bigger then the movie industry.
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusAs I said in the other post the very very strong rumour is that Sony US gave them crap loads of cash to do it.
Sony is again doing what they did with other mediums pump money (which they do not have but seems to appear) and pay people to stock their stuff.
Remember minidisk they got virgin stores to stock music in it - did not last very long.
Do not know where this "blue ray is winning" "ps3 is outselling the other consoles" talk is coming from around at the moment becuase its all a load of tosh at the end of the day.
everyone knows the wii is outselling everything.. PS3 probably is outselling Xboxs now.. because everyone who wanted an xbox has probably already got one. Gamers aint your 7 & 8 year old.. your games are the 25-30 year olds who can afford to buy a new console 6 months after release if wanted... and not wait until their bday/xmas.
I doubt if Sony paid Blockbuster. Id be suprised if Sony had the money..
How much would it cost? lets say they rented 33 hd-dvds per store per day. Rental was $3 a night. thats $99 a day in income x 250 stores = just short of $25k per day.. I doubt if Sony will be coughing up the best part of $175k a week.. and thats just based on 250 stores. Theres over 1400 stores in the chain.
360 out selling ps3 latest rports, gamespy, ign and gamespot when I read saying the same thing with wii selling the best yes.
Your not aware Sony BGM has shares in Blockbuster then :P note the different areas of Sony who are large, movie side of the firm we are on about here.
Gaming side is f**ked for money
Quote from: neXusI am sorry dude but You just way off anything, you have made no effort to even check on anything so I am not even going to bother linking countless articles, stories, even TV documentaries about it.
Your very wrong, sorry but you are, Porn chose VHS and pushed it to the limit before the movie industry becuase from start to finish in terms of production vhs is cheaper, and then movies followed etc.
While everyone pushes for new tech in media the porn industry is the one that chooses it and everyone knows the gaming industry and porn industry are large then the film industry.
You even make the point with the comment about the net - porn there first and the movie and tv companies only just starting to get into it years later.
Bet you anything as well pc game format of the future - hd-dvd again becuase of the costs! and again bigger then the movie industry.
Go on then.. lets see some links.
Infact, ask your parents, uncles, aunties, anyone old enough to remember when VCR players came out & ask them if you could buy porn off the shelf to watch or how easy it was to get hold off.
Back then, it was either in a brown paper bag from a sex shop, or from some dodgy bloke down the pub who also had all the latest hollywood blockbuster movies... or some back street cinema.
There was very little between Betamax & VHS, the only difference was the size of the cassette & VHS allowed a higher running time. Again, nothing to do with porn pushing it.. they just adopted VHS early... Quality didnt matter as they was shot with some old piece of camera. It was about getting the stuff out there.
Heres a quick one that back up the recording time..
I was around during the war, my family had a successfull chain of Video hire stores. Opened the first in 78 & we stocked very few betamax videos, even back then from the off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BetamaxPorn will adobt whatever media is available the quickest & cheapest to get their stuff out there. Doesnt mean they actually the new media to their full capabilities & quality (though I dont know anything else that used the camera angle button on the dvd ;-))
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusI am sorry dude but You just way off anything, you have made no effort to even check on anything so I am not even going to bother linking countless articles, stories, even TV documentaries about it.
Your very wrong, sorry but you are, Porn chose VHS and pushed it to the limit before the movie industry becuase from start to finish in terms of production vhs is cheaper, and then movies followed etc.
While everyone pushes for new tech in media the porn industry is the one that chooses it and everyone knows the gaming industry and porn industry are large then the film industry.
You even make the point with the comment about the net - porn there first and the movie and tv companies only just starting to get into it years later.
Bet you anything as well pc game format of the future - hd-dvd again becuase of the costs! and again bigger then the movie industry.
Go on then.. lets see some links.
Infact, ask your parents, uncles, aunties, anyone old enough to remember when VCR players came out & ask them if you could buy porn off the shelf to watch or how easy it was to get hold off.
Back then, it was either in a brown paper bag from a sex shop, or from some dodgy bloke down the pub who also had all the latest hollywood blockbuster movies... or some back street cinema.
There was very little between Betamax & VHS, the only difference was the size of the cassette & VHS allowed a higher running time. Again, nothing to do with porn pushing it.. they just adopted VHS early... Quality didnt matter as they was shot with some old piece of camera. It was about getting the stuff out there.
Heres a quick one that back up the recording time..
I was around during the war, my family had a successfull chain of Video hire stores. Opened the first in 78 & we stocked very few betamax videos, even back then from the off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax
Porn will adobt whatever media is available the quickest & cheapest to get their stuff out there. Doesnt mean they actually the new media to their full capabilities & quality (though I dont know anything else that used the camera angle button on the dvd ;-))
Abosulty no point to it becuase it is clear you will discredit them and the fact a few have ben posted before and a number of forum members in old friends all saying the same thing before becuase this topic has been covered before.
No matter how many links I post or videos you will still be against it, even though your wrong, You want to see the links do not be a lazy bugger and google you will get bloody loads and loads and loads of articles.
You bore me now your out to just argue
I will though if I find it post the video I saw recently on one website about it all, becuase it is actually a good documentary.
http://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-25796.html
loads of bits in there exactly what I have said in both recent posts, and countless links as I said via google will say otherwise
for everyone 1 saying your thoughts 50 will say other
to be fair... the porn industry did have a large part to play in it and its not just Ethen and a few others saying it - it was one of the main reasons cited at the time. Not everyone needs to ask their parents as most of us were old enough to have used both (top loading betamax is the future!)
The porn connection was mainly US driven. Basing the fact that the UK market didnt have ready access to VHS porn isnt that helpful as its not like the format war really rested on the shoulders of our great nation... ;)
They didnt buy them in seedy shops - VHS was ideally suited to mail distribution which is why it had such an effect. You are right tho, the porn connection isnt exactly a case of the porn industry makes a choice so everyone else must follow. The porn industry are just early adopters and tend to make their mind up a good few months before the other studios. Its more a case that the porn industry faces the same choices the film studios will do, just they make it 6 months earlier. Inevitably they often make the same decision (if you take away the manufacturers throwing extra incentives to film studios then why wouldnt they choose the same one).
It was the same with VHS, it was the same with divx leading the codecs over xvid etc, itll be the same with HD-DVD.
btw - the PS3 is nowhere even close to selling as many units as the xbox. Not only is it way behind because it started late it is still selling less per day than the XBox 360. Its a while since I checked but iirc there were more XBox 360s sold in the launch month of the PS3 than there were PS3s. Im not entirely sure if the Wii is outselling the xbox either while were on it, its definitely in shorter supply but not seen any numbers on how the two stack up for a while. Id guess the Wii probably is outselling but I wouldnt automatically assume its true. Microsoft are shifting 360s out of the factories at a hell of a speed. Or at the very least (from where I see the console market from) the processors for the 360 are being churned out at incredible speeds.
Quote from: neXushttp://www.cnettv.com/9710-1_53-25796.html
loads of bits in there exactly what I have said in both recent posts, and countless links as I said via google will say otherwise
for everyone 1 saying your thoughts 50 will say other
The whole article is wrong. Speak to people who was around during VHS/Betamax
Have a read
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=fcca9e76f3b7768a19eebd31489843fc&t=785870&page=1&pp=30At the end of the day this is a different war as it isnt one market they are fighting for. Its for gamers, movie watchers, wankers (I mean porn watchers), Music Buffs, Computer nerds, etc.
You can listen & read wherever/whatever you hear. Fact is, VHS won the war because of the running time on their Cassettes. If betamax had the longer running time, then they would have won.
Maybe well see this time
Red Corner
VHS Cheaper longer running
HD-DVD Cheaper shorter running
Blue Corner
Betamax Shorter running time, More expensive
Blu-Ray More expensive, Longer running time.
Lets see if its Price that wins it or Capacity eh?
Porn should be on Blu ray IMO.. Blue movies, Blue discs :mrgreen:
Quote from: EggtasticoGo on then.. lets see some links.
Infact, ask your parents, uncles, aunties, anyone old enough to remember when VCR players came out & ask them if you could buy porn off the shelf to watch or how easy it was to get hold off.
actually, the local video shop down the road fm me had an "Adults Section" behind the 18+ movies, it was curtained off. So did most of the others before the big chains arrived and stitched the market up. Porn was easily available to anyone willing to walk into a video shop and pick the case off the shelf. its actually more difficult to get hold of porn these days than it used to be!
Edit : I also dont think itll be price that swings it, itll be customer recognition. the magic letter "DVD" will swing the market that isnt all that tech savvy. Theyll walk into Currys/Comet and dumbly point at the line of HD-DVD players because they think they are buying the next iteration of what they already have. Many people will be worried enough that their DVDs wont play on the BluRay player that they wont even look at the BluRay players.
Quote from: BeakerQuote from: EggtasticoGo on then.. lets see some links.
Infact, ask your parents, uncles, aunties, anyone old enough to remember when VCR players came out & ask them if you could buy porn off the shelf to watch or how easy it was to get hold off.
actually, the local video shop down the road fm me had an "Adults Section" behind the 18+ movies, it was curtained off. So did most of the others before the big chains arrived and stitched the market up. Porn was easily available to anyone willing to walk into a video shop and pick the case off the shelf. its actually more difficult to get hold of porn these days than it used to be!
Edit : I also dont think itll be price that swings it, itll be customer recognition. the magic letter "DVD" will swing the market that isnt all that tech savvy. Theyll walk into Currys/Comet and dumbly point at the line of HD-DVD players because they think they are buying the next iteration of what they already have. Many people will be worried enough that their DVDs wont play on the BluRay player that they wont even look at the BluRay players.
Nope. You would have needed a licence to sell anything like that on a video back then. - maybe over 18 comedies like Confessions of a window cleaner, The Stud, Bitch, etc.
Quote from: EggtasticoNope. You would have needed a licence to sell anything like that on a video back then. - maybe over 18 comedies like Confessions of a window cleaner, The Stud, Bitch, etc.
nope, those were in the normal 18+ section. The places round here possibly did have licences, but there were 3 round here that had them. The last one to close had actually turned the porn area into a childrens play area until it closed down. The advent of fast Internet connections pretty much killed off their porn business, while Blockbuster killed off the rest of the customer base.
Quote from: JaitsuHD-DVD seemed to be ahead last time i checked the battle,
Youve not checked for a while then. The Blu-Ray discs are selling at a ratio of nearly 3:1 over HD-DVD - this does of course include PS3s as well as Xbox add on Drive.
Quote from: BeakerThe advent of fast Internet connections pretty much killed off their porn business, while Blockbuster killed off the rest of the customer base.
The internet wasnt around for the average home user over 25 years ago :lol:
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: BeakerThe advent of fast Internet connections pretty much killed off their porn business, while Blockbuster killed off the rest of the customer base.
The internet wasnt around for the average home user over 25 years ago :lol:
the las tplace doing the porn was doing it until ~2003, then they converted it to a kids play area (The irony wasnt lost on me). The place finally shut about 6 months back, annoying as they didnt tell me and i had to drive halfway to Blackpool because they had nailed the postbox and dropbox shut.
some vhs v beta reads
http://www.totalrewind.org/fmt_war.htm
http://www.betainfoguide.com/RiseandFall.htm
Sony should have immediately realized their error in underestimating the immense importance of the American "bigger, longer, better" mentality :mrgreen:
Quote from: Beakerthe las tplace doing the porn was doing it until ~2003, then they converted it to a kids play area (The irony wasnt lost on me). The place finally shut about 6 months back, annoying as they didnt tell me and i had to drive halfway to Blackpool because they had nailed the postbox and dropbox shut.
Im talking about the period 1976-1982. The war was affectively over before the 80s & it wasnt because of porn studios.
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: JaitsuHD-DVD seemed to be ahead last time i checked the battle,
Youve not checked for a while then. The Blu-Ray discs are selling at a ratio of nearly 3:1 over HD-DVD - this does of course include PS3s as well as Xbox add on Drive.
But isnt that purely because Sony have pushed all of their films out in the last month or two to cause a market bump in the media?
Bluray was way behind on all markets and then Sony pushed out a few blockbusters on Blu-ray only in the last couple of weeks. Its an artificial high which is why its only just appeared. Of course bluray sales will be higher for a couple of weeks when the company promoting it releases their blockbuster season in a couple of months in one format only.
Now theyre out of films itll just slip back to both formats in heads up which unless the world has changed dramatically will just mean HD-DVD again. If it has changed to bluray its not really a problem as other than costing more theres essentially nothing between the technologies but I just cant see bluray doing it.
Regardless of all the technical stuff. Come christmas this year peoples parents will walk into shops and buy HD-DVD simply because they have an HD tv and know they want a DVD player. Bluray was a dumb name
So many people under estimate the name, which is what will make it as well as the porn industry plane and simple.
Quote from: SteveFBut isnt that purely because Sony have pushed all of their films out in the last month or two to cause a market bump in the media?
Bluray was way behind on all markets and then Sony pushed out a few blockbusters on Blu-ray only in the last couple of weeks. Its an artificial high which is why its only just appeared. Of course bluray sales will be higher for a couple of weeks when the company promoting it releases their blockbuster season in a couple of months in one format only.
Now theyre out of films itll just slip back to both formats in heads up which unless the world has changed dramatically will just mean HD-DVD again. If it has changed to bluray its not really a problem as other than costing more theres essentially nothing between the technologies but I just cant see bluray doing it.
Regardless of all the technical stuff. Come christmas this year peoples parents will walk into shops and buy HD-DVD simply because they have an HD tv and know they want a DVD player. Bluray was a dumb name
No. Its been winning the head to head since the turn of the year.
They wont run out of films. Disney is Blu-Ray Only... Universal are the only major player not to have commited to blu-ray.
Quote from: EggtasticoNo. Its been winning the head to head since the turn of the year.
They wont run out of films. Disney is Blu-Ray Only... Universal are the only major player not to have commited to blu-ray.
Not what I read, what steve said is what has been happening. And just so you know since you do not read much news, Disney expect to be releasing its titles on hd-dvd as well soon
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: SteveFNo. Its been winning the head to head since the turn of the year.
Thats odd - youve seen some very different numbers to me then...
Yes I have..
wheres you numbers & Ill dig mine out again.
Bluray caught up the turn of the year & creaped ahead to a ratio of about 2:1 before the release of bond & several others have pushed it to 3:1 -= But like I said, that isnt limted to Movies, it would also include PS3 & the Xbox add on
Considering official figures show there are less ps3/blue ray players then hd-dvd players, interesting figures you seen egg, lol.
There has been well documented issues with manufacture of blue-ray players which only just picked up last month and would back up the sales figures as steve stated and the fact Sony have lowered the price again of theirs (at a loss)
(all of the above you can find dozens of sites stating that and the data(
Eggs figures are right. Last I saw was 2:1 for blueray.
I think part of the reason is the movies that are bundled with PS3.
The simple fact is both cost a bleeding lot of money.
Ok, I seem to only be able to find official press releases from both companies saying different things. The HD-DVD groups are giving their numbers as discs sold and the blueray camp saying units shipped. This is tricky because Sony are shipping PS3s with blu ray discs and promoting rental schemes so they can massively boost their sales by shipping every unit with a disc - the market is small enough that that disc shipping with a PS3 is enough to change the results. Many of the weekly top 10 listings have sold under a 1000 copies worldwide!!!
So not trusting either company I decided to see if I could get some hard numbers that were independent. The best independent data I could find is
Feature Films
Sales figure percentages from DVD Empire (retailer)
http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1
HD-DVD Sales Blu Ray Sales
Week of Jun. 19th 43.24% 56.76%
Week of Jun. 12th 27.28% 72.72%
Week of Jun. 05th 29.54% 70.46%
Week of May 29th 38.70% 61.30%
Week of May 22nd 41.04% 58.96%
Week of May 15th 35.41% 64.59%
Week of May 08th 40.92% 59.08%
Week of May 01st 35.98% 64.02%
These sales figures are showing that blu ray is indeed winning in sales. Egg is right :) The sales difference looks to have come largely from three titles: spiderman, casino royale and pirates of the carribean which were released on blu-ray only. The equivalent HD-DVD only titles (Batman for example) undersold these bluray titles by a HUGE margin. This means Blu ray are outselling by 1.5:1 with spikes up to 3:1 since the turn of the year.
Sony released their official figures (from Videoscan) for the number of discs sold globally up until the week ending March 18th. Blu-ray had sold 844,000 discs, HD-DVD had sold 708,600 DVDs total. Note: This was the week of Casino Royale coming out and selling 100,000 bluray discs
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Sony/Disc_Sales/Sony_Report_Reveals_First_Look_at_Absolute_Blu-ray_and_HD_DVD_Disc_Sales_Figures/564
Porn
The above data comes from DVD Empire which doesnt shift porn. I cant seem to get any reasonable numbers on how many units the porn industry shifts in comparison to the movie studies in HD content. So you can probably add a couple of percent to the HD colomn but not much. I cant find any hard numbers but the total sales of HD content is very low so either porn will be a tiny percent of the market (scaling properly) or a massive percentage of the total sales (as the feature film market is tiny).
If anyone can find any info on this then thatd help. (Im on lunch break but at work so have to be careful what I search for lol).
Hardware Units
As Microsoft arent shifting their HD drives yet there are significantly more blu ray players around than HD DVD players. Hard figures are difficult to pin down but it looks like there are around 3 blu ray players for each HD DVD player.
Most of the Blu ray players are in the form of PS3s right now and most HD-DVD players are seperate units. Surveys of PS3 users seem to show almost all of their users have their PS3s connected to a HD-TV and have either bought or intend to buy movies on Blu ray. They could be described as early adopters. The PS3 ships with Blu ray discs or has vouchers to redeem/buy them in most countries.
Summary
* the worldwide market for HD-DVD discs is tiny with many titles selling less than 1000 a week and topping the sales charts.
* On an even market blu ray discs are outselling HD-DVD at about 1.5:1
* Bluray supporting studios seem to be putting out more high quality content which is making the sales spike regularly to almost 3:1 sales advantage. For once, content may be the deciding factor rather than anything else.
* There are around 3 times more Bluray players around than HD-DVD players.
* The sales of these discs are so low its insane. The people are quoting percentages because the number of discs being sold is near trivial (this suprised me).
On the basis of the above I was wrong. Neither format has won, simply because not enough discs are being sold by either. There arent enough HD-DVD players on the ground yet. Bluray have a larger install base of 3:1 and are outselling discs at 2:1. Assuming not all PS3 users are buying films that probably puts both disc formats at the same level of hardware to discs sold.
Shipping PS3s with vouchers to buy Bluray discs is skewing the data quite a lot as best I can tell but theyre still sales as noone can deny youre paying for the discs in the PS3 purchase price.
The deciding factor will be the hardware install base. It looks like the first player to £200 in time for christmas wins.
Funny, you do all that imperical research and I go to the driving range...we both come to the same conclusion; we were wrong :D
I changed my POV having thought a little harder about the impact of a major US rental company going BR only. The US is one of (if not the) biggest entertainment markets in the world. If one of the major rental players provides only one format then it is fair to assume that the majority of rental customers will adopt that standard. Ergo that standard will become the consumers choice, as they can "rent it at Blockbuster".
*shrug*
Im still waiting for my damned 360 HD-DVD drive to turn up.
I would give up on one source m8, silly been looking at myself and one source will say its one way and then the other.
End of the day only real testimant is when they are properly main stream market and joe blogs buys them
The biggest headache would be Blu-Ray wins the battle in America, but HD-DVD wins in Europe.
Id personally like Blu-Ray to win because I can then go & buy a PS3 knowing i havent been flogged a dead horse. - one of the Wiis biggest mistakes imo is that its limted itself to wii discs only & wont play dvds.
More movie studios back blu-ray than hd-dvd.
HD-DVD should take its biggest selling point of being cheaper & aim it at the computer market imo.
There again, next month therell be a new set of figures from a different source saying HD-DVD is outselling by about 5:1. Anyone can take figures & massage them into whatever they want them to be.
Long way off mainstream yet apparently
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40457
Do not think that late but not till at least next year
Still cant see blue-ray being the choice in terms of burning though, pc wise when it finally moves and cost etc I just see hd being the choice and sad and funny say but probably true dvd copy folk would make a big chunk of which wins.
I think basically
- Joe Blogs
- Porn
- PC Folk
- Movies
- Gaming idustry
- Misc
Are the ones that will make or break either one (in that order)
Quote from: neXusLong way off mainstream yet apparently
Without a doubt. I would say only 30% of HDTV owners bought one for HDTV & for the new media format, Sky HD, etc.
The other 70% because they wanted to future proof themselves.
It took DVD a good 5 or 6 years to become affordable for the mainstream & not a specialised unit.
Quote from: NimrodFunny, you do all that imperical research and I go to the driving range...we both come to the same conclusion; we were wrong :D
At least we both realised we were wrong :)
Id love to have swapped my research way for yours, then again I was getting paid while I did mine hehe :P
Quote from: EggtasticoThe other 70% because they wanted to future proof themselves.
I reckon most people bought them cause they look swanky and saw them on MTV cribs or something lol.
Quote from: EggtasticoMore movie studios back blu-ray than hd-dvd
This is only true in America, here in Europe there is more support for HD-DVD and some movies that are Blu-ray exclusive in the US are HD-DVD exclusive here.
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusLong way off mainstream yet apparently
Without a doubt. I would say only 30% of HDTV owners bought one for HDTV & for the new media format, Sky HD, etc.
The other 70% because they wanted to future proof themselves.
not a specialised unit.
A few, like me, bought HDTVs for use as a computer monitor, and there must be others who wanted Sky HD on their set.
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusLong way off mainstream yet apparently
Without a doubt. I would say only 30% of HDTV owners bought one for HDTV & for the new media format, Sky HD, etc.
The other 70% because they wanted to future proof themselves.
not a specialised unit.
A few, like me, bought HDTVs for use as a computer monitor, and there must be others who wanted Sky HD on their set.
But there still lacks a lot of channels really and the bbcs version of HD seems the same as the its version of high quality digital radio, not bad but not as good as everyone elses, read a number of articles on how the bbc seems to differ with poorer quality then what everyone else uses.
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: NimrodFunny, you do all that imperical research and I go to the driving range...we both come to the same conclusion; we were wrong :D
At least we both realised we were wrong :)
Id love to have swapped my research way for yours, then again I was getting paid while I did mine hehe :P
So was I ;) :D
Got to love the freedoms of working from home :P
DAMN YOU VILE NIMROD! :D
You do have to take the BBC article with a pinch of salt. Block buster will continue to do HD-DVD in the 250 stores which currently run HD-DVD rental. Also, the BBC continues to refer to Bluray as as Bluray DVD...
This story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6243383.stm) made me laugh, they refer to Bluray as DVD and claim the DVD market is "slowing". My arse. I say story, but I use it in the vaguest possible sense.
At the moment I will choose Bluray over HD-DVD if they are the same price and region free so I can get 1:1 pixel mapping on my HDTV. VGA has 2% overscan so it is slightly stretched.
I believe the one film studio that was HD-DVD has announced that they will be doing Bluray as well. Either way, if you have both formats then you are going to get the best version of the movie. If you are going to pick one, you should pick the one which has available the movies that you want to watch.
The problem I forsee is that the slow take up of both bluray and hd-dvd will mean that the market for them will still be considerably smaller than the DVD market. Movie companies want to move to the new formats because of the new copy protection to prevent piracy (short lived...). I dont see DVD leaving us for a long time. Its cheap, Cheap, CHEAP. I cant help but think the HD formats will be for the enthusiast for quite a long time.
Thing is a number of the film companies Bluray only will start shipping HDdvd versions as well
None of them seem to really know which will be the best and there is going to be a lot of money and deals exchanging hands and being made
Quote from: neXusThing is a number of the film companies Bluray only will start shipping HDdvd versions as well
None of them seem to really know which will be the best and there is going to be a lot of money and deals exchanging hands and being made
I think Universal are HD-DVD Only & Disney Blu-Ray Only
The rest are cross platform.
I wouldnt be suprised if we start to see dual sided discs. Blu-Ray on oneside & HD-DVD the other.
The only list I can find :-
Blu-ray support Paramount
Warner Bros.
Disney (Buena Vista)
Fox
Lionsgate
MGM
Sony Pictures
HD-DVD supportParamount
Warner Bros.
Universal Studios
Just have a quick gam at what format(s) Hot Fuzz will be coming out on and which film studio. ;)
Disney just announced Snow White will be coming to Bluray in 2008.
Also, http://www.tvpredictions.com/bluray062007.htm I think it would be interesting to see how many of the PS3s are used for playing bluray movies. I bet the vast majority are used for Games. The HD-DVD addon for the 360 is solely for movies. It is artificially inflating the figures towards Bluray which is exactly what Sony wanted. :)
I really look forward to the day when physical distribution via disks is no longer mainstream
Stream or download all your content, stored in one box locally or when ever you need it from your supplier, whether its games, music, tv, movies, software etc.
We really need to dig all that copper out.
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusThing is a number of the film companies Bluray only will start shipping HDdvd versions as well
None of them seem to really know which will be the best and there is going to be a lot of money and deals exchanging hands and being made
I think Universal are HD-DVD Only & Disney Blu-Ray Only
The rest are cross platform.
I wouldnt be suprised if we start to see dual sided discs. Blu-Ray on oneside & HD-DVD the other.
The only list I can find :-
Blu-ray support
Paramount
Warner Bros.
Disney (Buena Vista)
Fox
Lionsgate
MGM
Sony Pictures
HD-DVD support
Paramount
Warner Bros.
Universal Studios
For now, give it a few more weeks and you will have universal on blue ray as well, disney, paramount at least will be doing hd as well.
Not one or the other but more will be doing both in a few weeks.
Quote from: neXusFor now, give it a few more weeks and you will have universal on blue ray as well, disney, paramount at least will be doing hd as well.
Not one or the other but more will be doing both in a few weeks.
Universal countered rumours that they were going blu-ray only about a week ago and said they will not be supporting the format. Think Disney also put out a press release too saying that they are only doing blu-ray, however, in the past they have said they were looking at maybe releasing on both, plus they have very few releases lined up for blu-ray.
One of the things that makes the studio support argument not work is that fox and disney have postponed almost all of their titles indefinately. Fox had quite a few lined up but then cancelled all but a few and Disney just seems to be dipping its toe in the water rather than jumping in. So really the only exclusive studio that is really releasing content is Sony.
Quote from: Deaths HeadAt the moment I will choose Bluray over HD-DVD if they are the same price and region free so I can get 1:1 pixel mapping on my HDTV. VGA has 2% overscan so it is slightly stretched.
Blu-ray is region-coded, although not on all titles. Think it was Fox and Disney who were the ones who pushed for region-coding and are using it (cant be too sure though, may have been other companies). HD-DVD on the other hand is completely region-free.
Its a shame this is all an issue.
HD-DVD is half the price to produce.
HD-DVD has Dolby HD sound with it which is far superior to any of the current bluray audio systems
HD-DVD does not have any region coding on it so a disc bought anywhere in the world plays everywhere else (this also gets rid of staggered release dates for movies and tv shows around the world).
HD-DVD looks to scale easily as high in capactiy as bluray does so capacity isnt even an issue.
HD-DVD players are easier to make as theyre closer related to DVD players so the hardware will be cheaper for consumers.
HD-DVD is BY FAR the better format for consumers. Buray is better for people trying to lock us into regioned films, region 1 getting films before europe/australia, etc etc. It sucks that people are letting bluray even keep up through ignorance. Region free content is good enough reason but what can you do.
If Microsoft had got a frikken HD-DVD player out at release instead of waiting this long we wouldnt all be being screwed around by Sony. If bluray turns into another Sony memory stick, minidisc, etc etc that simply confuses things we all lose.
And the dirty tricks begin now, lol
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40642
LOL
HD is winning
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41023
I think we will have both saying they are winning and people saying each is winning for a while lol.
Average Joe though will be the one that decides it in the end though