Well Chrome 2, I have the developers preview of chrome 2 and its improved from chrome 1 but the speed comes from memory use. Chrome treats each tab or window (web page) as a new program thus if that crashes it does not crash the whole browser. Problem is with 20k ish on average for each one if you got a few browsers open it soon stacks up and actually come to a lot more memory use then firefox with even more tabs open. I do love the space for the actual browser window and others will probably adopt more of the clean UI but the speed comes at a price with the memory use and yeah being separate programs you also got a lot of running processes as a result.
Firefox > Chrome
Imo :), the only benefit you seem to get from Chrome is having less Windows open, but who really cares if Firefoxs footprint is more on a single window, we are only talking 50mb, that only leaves me 3950mb of available ram for other resources, omg however will i cope.
Quote from: BaconFirefox > Chrome
Imo :), the only benefit you seem to get from Chrome is having less Windows open, but who really cares if Firefoxs footprint is more on a single window, we are only talking 50mb, that only leaves me 3950mb of available ram for other resources, omg however will i cope.
I do not think you understand mate.
You do not have any windows. Modern browsers have tabs. Chrome treats each open tab or window as a separate running process through its gears system thus allowing for a few things like if it crashes it only crashes itself. this gives you one running process per tab or window. It is A LOT faster then firefox in terms of loading, page loading itself is about the same if you got a good tuned ff but its using a lot more memory to do the same job.
For me:
- Chrome needs to scrap its own Javascript engine (which they just done in the developer version in fact)
- Not have as many running process, work out a way to run gears and browser tabs separate from each other but not through another process (basically making it another application) (They will have to do this for the mac version they are working on so they should do the same for windows)
- Some UI tweaks that have been put to them by many people already such as just a bit of top breathing room for the tabs, they sit right at the edge and its a little off putting.
If Firefox crashes when you open it again, it opens/loads all the previous Windows, i dunno i just think we have IE, Firefox is better, do we really need better still?
I really dont think we do, personally. I for one will stick with Firefox, better or worse cus i dont see the point in changing :P
Quote from: BaconIf Firefox crashes when you open it again, it opens/loads all the previous Windows, i dunno i just think we have IE, Firefox is better, do we really need better still?
I really dont think we do, personally. I for one will stick with Firefox, better or worse cus i dont see the point in changing :P
Chrome also restores from a crash if your pc dies or something. FF is great and I use that mainly but I have been giving chrome 2 a chance at the moment, Just posting my thoughts. look and feel grows on you but I must say I do like the open and clean feel a lot.
Im not happy enough about Googles previous history to use Chrome. I dont think its a case of better, just different. People normally prefer a browser for a wide range of issues.
firefox > every other browser
Have they got mouse gestures for chrome yet? (Without having to install third-party applications)
Quote from: BigSoyHave they got mouse gestures for chrome yet? (Without having to install third-party applications)
Im more wondering if theyll produce a decent add-blocker. Though Ill bet Google have something to say if anyone manages it with adds from Google.
Quote from: Eggtasticofirefox > every other browser
except Opera with its 12mb footprint, mouse gestures as standard, paste&go as standard, speeddial as standard...
all this mention of speed in browsers - this was important maybe 10 years ago ?
Quote from: sdpQuote from: Eggtasticofirefox > every other browser
except Opera with its 12mb footprint, mouse gestures as standard, paste&go as standard, speeddial as standard...
:stupid:
Love Opera. My fav browser by far. Agree with Mark on the speed issue though - internets quick enough now that it makes little difference which browser loads pics quicker etc..
More about start-up time for me, chrome is quickest out of the blocks Ive seen.
Quote from: Markall this mention of speed in browsers - this was important maybe 10 years ago ?
Lack of understanding only thing here.
Basically m8, Yeah its very important.
Javascript and javascript frameworks for example is all client side and with the animations, things like JSON increasing and the amount of things run through the header of the html code and the increasing css functionality and support for the CSS3 Standards the amount of load time increases. This is why the next big firefox has a big javascript redering engine update, Chrome working hard on its, safari not long with its new one.
There is even more to it but as sites become more rich it is not just about the speed of your net connection. It can get to you fast but the browser still needs to process it all. Then of course if your running a lot of applications and you got a lot of sites open you do not want your browser chugging away.
As for opera, its going to struggle more and more this year in terms of pc/mac use. It is heading to more of a mobile platform only browser and even got challenge there with webkit based stuff really shining at the moment. After IE Opera is the next one loosing ground. More are switching to FF and chrome is increasing in popularity but not quite there yet. It is early days for google on it, will see how it goes.
People should give this a go:
http://www.lunascape.tv/
I have never seen a browser chug since IE5 on a pentium pro 200
Quote from: MarkI have never seen a browser chug since IE5 on a pentium pro 200
IE still chugs compared to the others above.
not for me !
Quote from: RivkidQuote from: sdpQuote from: Eggtasticofirefox > every other browser
except Opera with its 12mb footprint, mouse gestures as standard, paste&go as standard, speeddial as standard...
:stupid:
Love Opera. My fav browser by far. Agree with Mark on the speed issue though - internets quick enough now that it makes little difference which browser loads pics quicker etc..
When you work online speed becomes a huge issue, especially when you get into the realms of 40-50 tabs open.
I hate:
boggy unoptimised Flash
sh*tty Applets
people that resize 2.4Mb photos using the browser scaling to 100x100 or whatever.
They should all die horribly.
I have trouble with some stuff on facebook using Oprea(for U3 at work using my stick)
Quote from: Clockd 0NeI hate:
boggy unoptimised Flash
Flash isnt exactly safe itself, its loaded with potential exploits that have never been patched.
FlashBlock
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: Clockd 0NeI hate:
boggy unoptimised Flash
Flash isnt exactly safe itself, its loaded with potential exploits that have never been patched.
This is untrue. Main stuff was in 8 and you have 10 now. People just do not upgrade and people making flash then set comptability to say 8 and above whch is wrong as it should at least be 9 to get people off 8 which had most of the big security issues recently.
Im with Mark on this one.
Fair enough for my dad using his aging TBird CPU it might make a difference, but memory footprint means nothing to me (did I mention I upgraded to 8gb now? :D ), nor have I seen a website even get close to taxing a modern CPU.
IE for normal browsing.
FF for special browsing.
Just so you know, There is a point of which net speed matters of course but only for images and video and things like flash and actual computer speed has virtually no baring really.
I can easily make two different pages, one very bad and one to my standards and you will defiantly see the difference.
Numbers are important and why you got the firefox firebug addon wslow from yahoo for example and how there is big talk of loading to much in the header element of the page and things like Javascript loaders etc.
To you general users you probably do not care but in terms of development, optimisation and striving for browser speed is more important then ever and will do more so this year with the increased use of JSON for example.
If IE crashes on you - your hardware/OS setup is arse. :mutley:
Quote from: EagleIf IE crashes on you - your hardware/OS setup is arse. :mutley:
http://acid3.acidtests.org/What does your browser get?
I can tell you now if you have IE 8 it will Throw a MASSIVE fit at it and either lock up and crash or get a dismal low 20s score. Terrible.
Chrome 2 gets 100/100
Firefox 3.5/.6 gets 100/100
Opera here actually crashes on this for me.