From gamerawr.com:
QuoteHeres the deal. Blu-ray was rushed out the door in order to stay competitive with HD DVD. The Blu-ray Disc Association has only recently finalized the formats specifications, which most current players do not conform to. This includes the Playstation 3, and all of Sonys own Blu-ray players. The lacking features include PIP support, part of BD-Java technology. Many players that even support BD-Java, do not support picture in picture.
After October 31, 2007, picture-in-picture (via BD-J) will be mandatory for players to carry the Blu-ray logo. New specification requirements also include 256MB of persistent memory storage, and a required 1GB for players with an internet connection. This new memory requirement is also part of the BD-J picture-in-picture spec.
So what does this mean for your current Blu-ray player? A simple firmware update, right? Well, a firmware update obviously wont give you memory that isnt already there.
Given the nature of the PS3s hardware, its reasonable to assume PIP will eventually be supported. Other players wont be so lucky.
Even if your Blu-ray player isnt up to spec, it is promised you will be able to watch all Blu-ray discs in the most basic form.
Full Story: gamerawr.com (http://www.gamerawr.com/2007/03/27/current-blu-ray-players-obsolete-by-october/)
Anyone that bought one already at the ridiculous prices and while the format wars are still going on is a muppet anyway.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeAnyone that bought one already at the ridiculous prices and while the format wars are still going on is a muppet anyway.
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And tbh I think neither will win the day and a unified version will be the one, the tech wise I think both will be around but that disk that can hold both versions even on the same disk as well will probably be what you buy in a few years.
Personally id stake HD-DVD tbh since it is a bit cheaper and although blue ray has better tech so did betamax and I think just the name hd-dvd will get the common consumer more into that as they can relate to it.
Every joe blogs asking "so whats this blue ray then" would sit there and here some spec crap and in through one ear out the other and see "hd-dvd" which just reads "new better dvd in hi def" will be what they think "oooh" and buy.
Blue ray us tech know but the actual people that make technology take off is not us we just know when its good but the common dimb witted folk out there that believe when they are told faster pc = faster net still are the ones that buy the tech on mass to make it work.
I dont see why there has to be one format.
Just because there was this whole VHS/Beetamax thing a while back doesnt mean that one of the formats, blue ray or HD DVD, will have to take over and the other will will disappear - almost everyone seems to be predicting this type of format war to be inevitable - which is why, with my contrarian hat on, I reckon that it really doesnt have to work out like that.
IMO there doesnt seem to be any reason why they both couldnt both exist.
I mean it isnt as though there is one single format of PC O/S - (naive creative types still buy macs and people with no social skills still tinker with linux) - neither is there one universal format of games console peeps still have a choice of Xbox, wii or PS3.
some publishers release games for multiple formats, others release them only for one in particular. Home movies could well turn out to be in a similar situation with publishers releasing for both formats and perhaps a few exclusives.
though I do agree with nige - anyone buying at the moment with the all the uncertainness + the high price is a bit stooooopid or has too much cash.
Sorry but If you think you can have "blue ray harry potter movie" "hd dvd harry potter" on the shelves next to each other you would be silly - consumer wants one thing to worry about and by any make they like and it will run any more and brains will begin to hurt with over use
if thats the case then how do you explain GTA san andreas for the PS2, GTA San andreas for the Xbox....
this is exactly what Im saying - people cant seem to imagine a change to the current situation of a single format when it is pretty feasible given that we already have the exact same situation in other home entertainment markets.
What exactly is so different about the consumers within the console market compared to the consumers within the High definition home cinema market - consoles are as main stream as theyre ever going to get at the moment and it really hasnt been a problem having more than one format.
For another example just look at music - if I want a single I can get it on CD, I can get it on a record (If Ive got some decks or something), I can download it from ITunes or I can download it from an MP3 site - several formats for exactly the same thing - a piece of music - doesnt seem to pose a massive problem now does it.
Films arnt designed to be interactive like console gaming and therefore shouldnt be hardware dependant, people want to drop a disc in and sit back in the chair, not have a choice of discs to put in 2 or three varieties of player to try and get the best out of a film. The anology with consoles is a weak one. One format would make everyone happy.
Vinyls are still a market for collectors, audiophiles and DJs. You are unlikely to find the same in film and gaming circles.
We all know you can download films in AVI just as easily as audio in MP3, they still come from a source - CD/vinyl - or for films DVDs.
Quote from: Daveif thats the case then how do you explain GTA san andreas for the PS2, GTA San andreas for the Xbox....
this is exactly what Im saying - people cant seem to imagine a change to the current situation of a single format when it is pretty feasible given that we already have the exact same situation in other home entertainment markets.
What exactly is so different about the consumers within the console market compared to the consumers within the High definition home cinema market - consoles are as main stream as theyre ever going to get at the moment and it really hasnt been a problem having more than one format.
For another example just look at music - if I want a single I can get it on CD, I can get it on a record (If Ive got some decks or something), I can download it from ITunes or I can download it from an MP3 site - several formats for exactly the same thing - a piece of music - doesnt seem to pose a massive problem now does it.
Problem you have there is that theres what maybe 1 million computer games in the world ? (I have no idea but lets guess at that...) so say 5 million for 5 different consoles - versus gotta be more like 100 million films/tv shows/porn etc etc. (x 2 = 200 million! = a whole sh*tload of shelf stackers)
Quote from: neXustbh I think neither will win the day and a unified version will be the one, the tech wise I think both will be around but that disk that can hold both versions even on the same disk as well will probably be what you buy in a few years.
Personally id stake HD-DVD tbh since it is a bit cheaper and although blue ray has better tech so did betamax and I think just the name hd-dvd will get the common consumer more into that as they can relate to it.
Every joe blogs asking "so whats this blue ray then" would sit there and here some spec crap and in through one ear out the other and see "hd-dvd" which just reads "new better dvd in hi def" will be what they think "oooh" and buy.
TBH, I dont think they can work together for a Unified Version as theres huge differences in their technology. Samsung announced a Dual Players that can/will play either HD-DVD or Blue-Ray last June - Which I think may be the best way to go.
I think, there could be a market for both formats. Maybe your favourite films will have much more content on the blue-ray - due to media capacity comapared to HD-DVD. Then, your not so favourite movies will be cheaper on HD-DVD. Then theres Boxsets, Trilogies, Sagas, etc. that can all fit onto 1 disk & be more cost affective again.
Itll be like DVD+R and -R one drive capable of reading both.
There are already ones released that do that.
Also the way dual formats will come about is because different production companies will go with a format, rival companies... rival formats.
Itll mean nothing to us as theyll work just the same in the same drives, theyll just be competing formats.
Quote from: Daveand people with no social skills still tinker with linux
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Quote from: skidzillaQuote from: Daveand people with no social skills still tinker with linux
:lol:
Im running Linux on the lappie as I type this, sitting on the veranda of the Georgian Terrace Hotel across from the Fox Theater in Atlanta, drinking a Makers on the rocks. Occasionally Im giving a hoot at the boys exiting the drag show at the wine bar in the corner of the theater, because, straight or gay, a guys just gotta support the use of green glitter eye shadow.
No Star Wars schwag in sight. :lol:
Quote from: maximusotterbecause, straight or gay, a guys just gotta support the use of green glitter eye shadow.
No Star Wars schwag in sight. :lol:
Erm ... me moves quickly away from this thread!
The whole thing seems like betamax - VHS 2 to me. The multiple formats thing will never really work.
We will see both formats around for a long time to come - but im willing to bet money one will prevail over the other when it comes to the masses / what youll see stocked on the shelves of a Woolworths/WH Smith (more than likely HD).
well well all have to wait - but I reckon we could re-visit this thread in 2 years time and both formats will still be around (plus someone will probably have released a dual format player by then too)
Quote from: Dave(plus someone will probably have released a dual format player by then too)
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/5051/070413samsungbluray/