Ok the girls I live with are quite keen for me to get a wii for the living room - looks like it could be fun and is only 180 quid
Im also quite keen to get a PS3 - I only got a PS2 previously in order to play GTA San Andreas which came out on the PC a few months later though I did buy 3 other games of it in the end - GTA liberty city stories, GTA vice city stories and bully
The only reason why Im keen to get a PS3 is for GTA4 which is out soon (yes Im a big fan of this series and if I wasnt earning decent money in London Id probably try to make a move from financial software to QA testing at rockstar) and Im just wondering what peoples thoughs are on the console?
The assassin game advertised on TV looks pretty good really though tbh.. Id basically only be buying the console in order to play the next generation of GTA games (+ I guess being able to install linux might be fun) Im guessing the new slim line model ought to reduce the price of the current PS3 so I mgiht wait for that to come out.
If you are buying it purely for GTA then get a 360, it has alot more exclusive content over the PS3.
Quote from: DoomsIf you are buying it purely for GTA then get a 360, it has alot more exclusive content over the PS3.
One of the main reasons I got a XBox :) Gamestation have some great deals on at the moment.
Its going to be great :)
if the girls want a wii tell them to go buy one.
Id get a PS3 over the wii
Tho boxing with fit women is ohhhhh so good! :)
Id get a Wii over a PS3 anyday. 360 is the console of choice though!
Wii60 FTW.
I echo the sentiments of everybody in this thread.
If you want to play Assasins Creed or GTA4 the 360 is the console of choice.
Unless Im mistaken, 360 is still cheaper too.
Definately a 360 for GTA4 as there will be content coming out for it thats not available on the PS3.
GTA has issues on both consoles.
PS3 doesnt have enough memory.
360 doesnt have enough storage on the DVD.
There are NO good games out on the PS3 that cant be got for the 360.
QuoteThe 360s GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can't get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. The 360 also has a clever new way rendering high definition anti aliased back buffers. To accomplish the same effect on PS3 is prohibitively expensive. For this reason I think many games will have no choice but to run in non-HD resolutions on the PS3 version, use a lower quality anti aliasing technique, or do back buffer upscaling. The end result in all cases is going to be noticeably worse image quality.
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm
PS3 vs 360 Face off
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74502
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=75856
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78963
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=84655
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=87214
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=88461
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=89969
PS3 version is rumoured in terms of preview stuff shown off to have the exact same problems as other ps3 games that are on both consoles.
GTA is being optimised on the 360 and just converted to ps3. It will run smoother on the 360 and as said have more content
On a side note when Metal Gear launches it will be amazing but since They not doing so well on the profit front if this does not sell anywhere like Halo3 did for the 360 you bet you will hear it will arrive to the 360.
Either case splinter cell is again both formats but is running better on 360..
PS3 probably edges the machine perfomance at the end of the day but every developer is having issues with it
Quote from: TheMallratDefinately a 360 for GTA4 as there will be content coming out for it thats not available on the PS3.
thanks for that - I hadnt realized that - I was working on the assumption that it would be out on the PS3 first as sony had a decent deal with the previous GTAs
my main motivation for getting a console is GTA tbh... (Im just really not into console games in general, nor games in general any more)
I might wait for the slim line PS3 to come out and see if that has much effect on the price of the old style ones - the linux and blue ray might swing me but tbh.. given that Im a big GTA fan the x-box has suddenly become a serious contender - Ill have to see how major the differences are
nexus post also highlights a good point - if it turns out that there are significant differences and the 360 version of GTA4 is far superior then Im getting one of those hands down tbh..
Quotethanks for that - I hadnt realized that - I was working on the assumption that it would be out on the PS3 first as sony had a decent deal with the previous GTAs
they lost exclusive rights ages ago and first service as well a while ago
QuoteI might wait for the slim line PS3
gimmik, you know this straight away, with with shrinkage the memory, gpu and cell system in ps3 gets hot and slim will just be the 360 over again with heat death to many consoles. Sony is not learning from mistakes, they gone to pot since the ps2, it is bizzare their self destruction they are doing
Quoteto come out and see if that has much effect on the price of the old style ones - the linux and blue ray might swing me but tbh.. given that Im a big GTA fan the x-box has suddenly become a serious contender - Ill have to see how major the differences are
Microsoft has said it would be not a problem and very easy for them to release a blu ray player or duel player if need be depending on the war winner, the good thing about it being separate to the system
Quotenexus post also highlights a good point - if it turns out that there are significant differences and the 360 version of GTA4 is far superior then Im getting one of those hands down tbh..
It is not a fact the system is better and the game will be miles better but most developers still cant quite get to grips with the programming for the PS3 well enough and cost as well. It is currently better as a developer to create the game on the 360 and get a lot out of it and then turn to the ps3 and convert, cheaper and easier to do but as a result your seeing a trend of ps3 games being poorer in perfomance at least as a result and in some graphics as well
Quote from: neXusQuoteI might wait for the slim line PS3
gimmik, you know this straight away, with with shrinkage the memory, gpu and cell system in ps3 gets hot and slim will just be the 360 over again with heat death to many consoles. Sony is not learning from mistakes, they gone to pot since the ps2, it is bizzare their self destruction they are doing
I dont mean to buy - I mean the slim line one will reduce the prices of the old style ones - thus if the PS3 becomes more in line with the cheap versions of the Xbox then given that its got blue ray & can support linux then Id be very tempted.
as for microsoft adding a player - that is going to come at a cost - Id bet that an old/bigger PS3 would be cheaper than an old style 360 + blue ray or HD player let alone the HDMI 360
Nexus, it looks like your trying to say the ps3 is more technologically advanced. Its not really.
Maybe if the machine is switched off. What the ps3 reserves for its background services soon renders it less powerful. the gfx processor in the 360 runs rings round the rsx chip in the ps3.
tis quite interesting though - the amount of hardware in these things is incredible - the PS3 is actually a complete bargain in terms of the hardware youre getting + it supports linux so developers can have a play around with it - Ive already heard of some quant/city types wanting to take advantage of it + there is a firm doing PS3 clusters:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg[hardware][solutions]=1
link broken - just copy and paste it
Quote32 Node PS3 Cluster
A light weight but powerful cluster, ideal for the development of parallel, Cell optimized code. Seamless code migration to IBM Cell blades enables a smart, powerful upgrade path. This cluster offers a theoretical performance of greater than 5TF!
# Power Mac G5 Dual Processor 2.5GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD, SuperDrive.
# 32 40GB PLAYSTATION®3s.
# 33 Cat6 ethernet cables.
# 48 port Net Gear 10/100/1000 Switch (1U)
# Yellow Dog Linux pre-installed.
# Y-HPC Cluster Construction suite pre-installed.
# Cluster Resources Moab cluster management suite, pre-installed.
# RapidMind Cell Development Toolkit, pre-installed.
# Mouse, Keyboard, Benq 19" Display.
# 20 Hours of technical support.
# Mercury MCF optimized Cell libraries --optional.
# HPC Racks, rack shelves, and power distribution --optional.
# Backup power (UPS) --optional.
# Storage system --optional.
Im guessing theyre taking advantage of the fact the consoles are sold at a loss in order to make money from the games - the PS3 does seem to be a serious bit of kit spec wise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3_cluster
They did the same sort of thing with PS2s IIRC. Games machines are almost always sold below value and the manufacturers make up on games sales.
thing is, the ps3 is overly complicated and hard to program even after a years use and so people in terms of linux and extra stuff not really touched bar using the cell chip as a number cruncher, and Sony is pulling away for the chip for such reasons and cost and manufacture issues as well - Just to complicated and to much is the problem and that has effected the games, not enough, many with issues, still looking the same or worse then the 360 with the odd expection in up and coming games but such games delayed a few times and a little way to release.
Could have been a great machine but as I have said in other threads Sony is the one that is screwing it up and leaving a bold idiot in charge of it
Quote from: SeriousThey did the same sort of thing with PS2s IIRC. Games machines are almost always sold below value and the manufacturers make up on games sales.
they invariably lose money for the 1st 12 months with the early adoptors. However the PS2 was making Sony MILLIONS a week on the hardware sales right until before the PS3 came out. In fact it is still selling pretty well, in some countries its outselling the PS3. IIRC the only company to ever make a conscious decision to sell a games console at a loss was SEGA, and look what it did for them.
Quote from: BeakerQuote from: SeriousThey did the same sort of thing with PS2s IIRC. Games machines are almost always sold below value and the manufacturers make up on games sales.
they invariably lose money for the 1st 12 months with the early adoptors. However the PS2 was making Sony MILLIONS a week on the hardware sales right until before the PS3 came out. In fact it is still selling pretty well, in some countries its outselling the PS3. IIRC the only company to ever make a conscious decision to sell a games console at a loss was SEGA, and look what it did for them.
Well M$ are a massive loss on hardware but it hardly does a dent on there money being the richest company in the world just about, bill gates is about $60 billion (I mean wtf you could never get closed to spending that, nice to see him giving so much into charities though) and they failed to buy Yahoo with an initial bid of billions on billions as well
M$ has a bottomless pit of money to burn it is stupid and tbh Sony is doing alight and recovered from profit margins at the end of the year but they are still in the sh*te a bit and really struggling to compete with M$ especially since Nintendo did an amazing job on a cheap crap teck machine making huge cash
Quote from: neXusWell M$ are a massive loss on hardware but it hardly does a dent on there money being the richest company in the world just about, bill gates is about $60 billion (I mean wtf you could never get closed to spending that, nice to see him giving so much into charities though) and they failed to buy Yahoo with an initial bid of billions on billions as well
M$ has a bottomless pit of money to burn it is stupid and tbh Sony is doing alight and recovered from profit margins at the end of the year but they are still in the sh*te a bit and really struggling to compete with M$ especially since Nintendo did an amazing job on a cheap crap teck machine making huge cash
I dont think they are losing a massvie amount of money anymore, if at all. The Bill Of Materials on first release came in at $525 (About £350 at the time?). That will have come down as production setups cost got covered, and they started buying larger amounts of components. Its also highly likely the 65nm chips in the newer consoles are also giving much higher yields that the older ones. Add in the fact that storage has dropped massively in price, the cost of RAM and the fact ATi will no doubt have discounted the now outdated GPU. Youre looking at a much lower cost to produce the console than origionally. I would estimate the actual production cost it now about the same as the sale price, though I would be inclined to say that the production cost is _slightly_ higher than the sale cost, but not 1/3rd more.
Quote from: BeakerQuote from: neXusWell M$ are a massive loss on hardware but it hardly does a dent on there money being the richest company in the world just about, bill gates is about $60 billion (I mean wtf you could never get closed to spending that, nice to see him giving so much into charities though) and they failed to buy Yahoo with an initial bid of billions on billions as well
M$ has a bottomless pit of money to burn it is stupid and tbh Sony is doing alight and recovered from profit margins at the end of the year but they are still in the sh*te a bit and really struggling to compete with M$ especially since Nintendo did an amazing job on a cheap crap teck machine making huge cash
I dont think they are losing a massvie amount of money anymore, if at all. The Bill Of Materials on first release came in at $525 (About £350 at the time?). That will have come down as production setups cost got covered, and they started buying larger amounts of components. Its also highly likely the 65nm chips in the newer consoles are also giving much higher yields that the older ones. Add in the fact that storage has dropped massively in price, the cost of RAM and the fact ATi will no doubt have discounted the now outdated GPU. Youre looking at a much lower cost to produce the console than origionally. I would estimate the actual production cost it now about the same as the sale price, though I would be inclined to say that the production cost is _slightly_ higher than the sale cost, but not 1/3rd more.
This is true hence the better results at the end of last year as I said but it is the ratio of the drop to the games being sold which should be on the up and up but it is not and Sony also (well some of them) that quite a lot of ps3s sold are only being used as Blu-ray players and their bu-ray players are not selling very well as a result.
Ms coked up on a few points:
HD-DVD right away as standard and use that for gaming would have got the hd war really going
Power brick is a bit stupid
Heat issues
Bar that tbh you have to say they been good with the 360 for the most part
Sonys list of issues is as long as my leg and all down to them and them alone cocking things up