I dont know where to put this, sorry.
Are BluRay DVDs, the same as HD DVDs. Thanks.
Nope. Different formats. Although some new dual format players are due out soon, presumably very expensive though.
Its Betamax V VHS all over again!
Quote from: PrivateerI dont know where to put this, sorry.
Are BluRay DVDs, the same as HD DVDs. Thanks.
Nope, different formats requiring different players unless you are gonna buy a dual format player, although they cost more than buying a stand-alone player from each side.
Quote from: EggtasticoIts Betamax V VHS all over again!
And TBH I think Sony will loose again, As I keep saying Joe Blogs will look at both, see the cost, know the name DVD and what HD is and go HD DVD and the pervs will want their porn so HDDVD is their only option as well and Sony Also recently said they may not allow some of the more violent stuff on their medium as well which is shooting yourself in the foot further.
Its not going to kill Sony if Blu ray fails but its going to really really hurt
Privateer BluRay is better overall but to expensive, when your average movie is plus £20 and some £30 and hddvd not that much off in quality and nearly all stuff sub £20 with most only just a couple of squid dearer over the dvd, for many that will be a decider in what they want
I asked, because of this, now Im confused, this is why.
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who remembers the first VHS, I had acsess to a nice Beta player, I guess
Bluray is Beta and HD is VHS. as Eggtastico sugested.
Bluray is Bluray, HD-DVD is HD-DVD. Oldschool comparisons do not apply. It may well be neither "wins" and you have to get dual format players...
Quote from: Deaths HeadBluray is Bluray, HD-DVD is HD-DVD. Oldschool comparisons do not apply. It may well be neither "wins" and you have to get dual format players...
Ive got a dual layer burner, will that do :D
Dual-layer DVD or other? :P
Nexus, could you tell me why you think blu-ray is better than hd-dvd.
Pretty much all dual format releases have had either the same picture and sound quality or the hd-dvd has beat the blu-ray, this is usually down to better codecs used on the hd-dvd version, plus there tend to be more extras on hd-dvd disks despite the storage space as they have interactive features available that blu-ray still havent implemented yet.
Plus, hd-dvd has more releases despite having "less studio support" and the obvious no region coding.
Quote from: Deaths HeadBluray is Bluray, HD-DVD is HD-DVD. Oldschool comparisons do not apply. It may well be neither "wins" and you have to get dual format players...
The other possibility is that both are overtaken by the pace of technology and neither catch on. New systems and tech are appearing faster than ever. Each system needs mass market sales to claim success, which might never happen. With the pace of memory card capacity increase there could be high definition films on something the size of a postage stamp within a few years and no vulnerability to scratches.
Quote from: TheMallratNexus, could you tell me why you think blu-ray is better than hd-dvd.
Pretty much all dual format releases have had either the same picture and sound quality or the hd-dvd has beat the blu-ray, this is usually down to better codecs used on the hd-dvd version, plus there tend to be more extras on hd-dvd disks despite the storage space as they have interactive features available that blu-ray still havent implemented yet.
Plus, hd-dvd has more releases despite having "less studio support" and the obvious no region coding.
Blu-ray Disc / HD DVD comparison bit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_DiscIt is how you use them, fast and the furious hddvd - Jack all, looks better sounds no difference no effort put into the new format at all.
chonicles of Riddick - Bloody amazing packed full of more scenes, longer cuts, way better sound and great polished apprence and a good amount of extras
I do not know about blu ray movies and why the extras are not there but It is more then likley some movies do use all the space but it really is down to if the people put the effort into the new format for their movie or just bung the movie on the format in the better codec.
Ala the new bladerunner where they are going back and re cutting and optimising the movie for the hddvd release, Or Dune where it is no different
But they are not main stream yet and when this happens and the way is still going on between the formats the one that gets the movie folk to put more effort in the movie on the format the sweeter they will look
By the time either of these become main stream well be even closer to media-less distribution being common place.
Disks & memory sticks bug me.I just want all my media on which ever device I choose to access it form in the quality I want.
I have hundreds of movies, dozens in 720p or 1080p and you wont find a disk drive or cases in site of my lounge.
omg u are teh pirate x 2 !
Quote from: neXusQuote from: TheMallratNexus, could you tell me why you think blu-ray is better than hd-dvd.
Pretty much all dual format releases have had either the same picture and sound quality or the hd-dvd has beat the blu-ray, this is usually down to better codecs used on the hd-dvd version, plus there tend to be more extras on hd-dvd disks despite the storage space as they have interactive features available that blu-ray still havent implemented yet.
Plus, hd-dvd has more releases despite having "less studio support" and the obvious no region coding.
Blu-ray Disc / HD DVD comparison bit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
It is how you use them, fast and the furious hddvd - Jack all, looks better sounds no difference no effort put into the new format at all.
chonicles of Riddick - Bloody amazing packed full of more scenes, longer cuts, way better sound and great polished apprence and a good amount of extras
I do not know about blu ray movies and why the extras are not there but It is more then likley some movies do use all the space but it really is down to if the people put the effort into the new format for their movie or just bung the movie on the format in the better codec.
Ala the new bladerunner where they are going back and re cutting and optimising the movie for the hddvd release, Or Dune where it is no different
But they are not main stream yet and when this happens and the way is still going on between the formats the one that gets the movie folk to put more effort in the movie on the format the sweeter they will look
Thats just it though, HD-DVD are getting the movie companies to put more effort in now as they are including picture-in-picture stuff, interactive features and even online features and content as well as putting out excellent transfers on movies now. Whereas on Blu-ray they dont have the full support of the companies. Fox keep cancelling titles and releasing really barebones disks using the older codecs and Disney have something like 4 titles announced for the whole of next year.
Also looking at that comparison chart on wikipedia shows that blu-ray, has the potential to be better than hd-dvd, like the ps3 has the potential to be better than the 360, but that all comes down to the companies using the best codecs and stuff and also you can see that a lot of the stuff that adds extra content to the disks is mandatory on hd-dvd whereas on blu-ray it is optional and thus far most companies have chosen not to use it.
Just like the PS3, Blu-ray is a half-finished product.
Quote from: TheMallratJust like the PS3, Blu-ray is a half-finished product.
I do not think it is that, I just think they are just been managed very very badly and as such will/are? failing
Quote from: neXusQuote from: EggtasticoIts Betamax V VHS all over again!
And TBH I think Sony will loose again, As I keep saying Joe Blogs will look at both, see the cost, know the name DVD and what HD is and go HD DVD and the pervs will want their porn so HDDVD is their only option as well and Sony Also recently said they may not allow some of the more violent stuff on their medium as well which is shooting yourself in the foot further.
Its not going to kill Sony if Blu ray fails but its going to really really hurt
Privateer BluRay is better overall but to expensive, when your average movie is plus £20 and some £30 and hddvd not that much off in quality and nearly all stuff sub £20 with most only just a couple of squid dearer over the dvd, for many that will be a decider in what they want
Its strange, Bluray and HDDVD are bloody huge, but on the other hand fighting in the compression market are, Divx, Xvid and now Quicktime H264,
Now-days blank Dvds are £5.00, for a 100. I bet in China, half price again.
Quote from: KunalBy the time either of these become main stream well be even closer to media-less distribution being common place.
Itll never happen, the same way it wont happen for music. It will be an option, not a replacement. Too many people, myself included, still prefer having the physical article.
I really want something big to happen so one or both formats are accepted, then I can start getting HD films (I really want the new Bladerunner set).
Quote from: Clockd 0NeQuote from: KunalBy the time either of these become main stream well be even closer to media-less distribution being common place.
Itll never happen, the same way it wont happen for music. It will be an option, not a replacement. Too many people, myself included, still prefer having the physical article.
I really want something big to happen so one or both formats are accepted, then I can start getting HD films (I really want the new Bladerunner set).
Get a loan and buy a Multi player that plays DivX, on your big HD TV, which is on a loan, thats what sony and others will expect.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeQuote from: KunalBy the time either of these become main stream well be even closer to media-less distribution being common place.
Itll never happen, the same way it wont happen for music. It will be an option, not a replacement. Too many people, myself included, still prefer having the physical article.
I agree, having a real product is better, then you the problem of rights I would always buy something that is on media rather than have to face up to that carp.
Quote from: PrivateerQuote from: Clockd 0NeI really want something big to happen so one or both formats are accepted, then I can start getting HD films (I really want the new Bladerunner set).
Get a loan and buy a Multi player that plays DivX, on your big HD TV, which is on a loan, thats what sony and others will expect.
Trouble is in a few months the price will probably plummet and the ones that bought early will find everyone else laughing at them cause they were robbed. Eventually the cost will be as low as a DVD player and will be able to handle both formats as well as DVD and CDs.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeQuote from: KunalBy the time either of these become main stream well be even closer to media-less distribution being common place.
Itll never happen, the same way it wont happen for music. It will be an option, not a replacement. Too many people, myself included, still prefer having the physical article.
I really want something big to happen so one or both formats are accepted, then I can start getting HD films (I really want the new Bladerunner set).
Those too many people are dying out every day - the people who grew up with the notion of buying records tapes and cds. Some people will still want to collect them much in the same way as some people now collect dinky toys.
People also said that digital would never replace film in the 35mm arena - myself included. Whats happened 2 years down the line? I cant buy a new nikon F4s, but I can buy (Very soon - cant wait!!) a D3
Physical media sales are falling, download sales are rising. Its the way its going to go, no doubt. Music is an artform, not a commodity, and that old model that the record companies built themselves on is now failing.
I dont think it will be that long until currency (as coins and notes) is a thing of the past either. Sounds ridiculous, but 20 years ago who would have thought so many people would be able to do video calls from handheld devices?
Im with Clockd, perhaps he and I ARE a dying breed, but I dont think well be extinct any time very soon (I certainly hope to be around for a while longer yet anyway).
I see the benefit of having your stuff on a central system AS WELL as physical media, hell I do it myself. Not with films (yet) but every CD I own is encoded to OGG and therefore available throughout my house at the click of a button curtosy of my mighty central music server.
I still own the CDs though. What if I want to take a few disks with me to a party (ok, MP3 player here we go, but doesnt work so well with films)? what if my HDD craps out on me? what if the PC just falls over and it takes me a week to get parts, Im not going to live that long without music.
Even if it comes to the point where all music and films are distributed media free, Ill still be burning them to disk for archive purposes.
Media on demand has potential, but youve got to trust the company in question not to go tits up at an awkward moment and take your collection with it. Youre also at the mercy of their server downtime. Imagine, youre throwing a house party and suddenly the sound system kicks up a server error. No thanks.
Youre still basing that on *todays* technology - this is exactly my point.
CDs and DVDs are also very fragile. You cant break a file stored in 99 different places in the world simultaneously. A fire in your house doesnt damage files in africa.
MTBF for storage devices now is getting higher and higher.
Im sure people 100 years ago thought things like what if this new fangled electric iron doesnt heat, ill keep the heat on the fire one
Ive never owned a Stereo, I own several DVD players that in total have probably had less than 100 hours use (thats going back to the oldest one being about 7years old (at least!)
Im more of a fan of somthing that gives me multiple options.
You take CDs to a party.. I take my IPOD - More chance of you coming home with a missing or scratched CD than there is of me coming home with a borked Ipod.
For me, on-demand is everything. currently have 2TB of Movies, episodes & Music all at a touch of a button.
The sooner it becomes mainstream & not a specialist "hobby", the better. Its a bitch having so many cross platforms for media extenders, etc.
Blueray/HD-DVD, I dont really care which takes off. Prices of media will drop. I remember when CDRs cost £7 each. I was estatic when they cost £1 each & then when you could buy 100 & have change for £30.
As for movies, music, etc. - The future wont be that you buy them, but instead Rent them for a monthly fee.
Most people can probably only afford to buy maybe a total of 5 Music Albums/DVDs a month. Instead, you would pay a monthly subscription & have access to a publishers entire catalog & back-catalog.
TV will prob be the same, itll be all delivered by IP as well.
Its sh*t at the minute, but its going to get better, fast.