Who do you reakon will win?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4921784.stm
Will people hold out buying till one emerges the better or more dominant?
Of course they will, only the nutters will buy it now.
Its amusing to see games will come on one disc = thats until the lazy programming kicks in and well see games of 100s of GBs in size
Thing is do you reckon any developer is going to spend the time creating a 100gb game it will take them so long to do, games like oblivion is pretty huge and got a long game time they dont need more than one DVD, Also what Id prefer to see is games been better compressed I really dont want to be installing games upto 100gb onto my PC when they move onto them. I feel that HD and Blueray is kinda a waste for games, great for films that dont want to be compressed,
I wish they would have sorted it.
TBH, i think Every single consumner should all agree not to touch either of them and tell everyone to sort it out otherwise we aint buying.
Just imagine if you actually got a decent campaign going with consumners not touching them.
LOL 0-1% sales would get them to re-think, lol
HD DVD gets my vote, but as has already been mentioned i wont be buying untill there is a clear favorite.
Weve had a debate on this already - but just to repost my opinion - there doesnt *have* to be a dominant format. Im not necessarily saying I dont think there definately wont be but there doesnt have to be.
Just as Playstation & Xbox can share the console market there isnt a major reason in theory why cant blue ray & HD-DVD share the home cinema market. After all it is far easier for a producer/distributor to put out films on both formats than it is for a developer to create games for both sony & MS.
One company (paramount? IIRC) is already going to release on both others are split between either side - if more companies step up & release on both formats then there would be less worry for consumers & more pressure on manufacturers to bring prices down in order to compete. It could be good for the consumer if both formats were to stay.
Quote from: DaveWeve had a debate on this already - but just to repost my opinion - there doesnt *have* to be a dominant format. Im not necessarily saying I dont think there definately wont be but there doesnt have to be.
Just as Playstation & Xbox can share the console market there isnt a major reason in theory why cant blue ray & HD-DVD share the home cinema market. After all it is far easier for a producer/distributor to put out films on both formats than it is for a developer to create games for both sony & MS.
One company (paramount? IIRC) is already going to release on both others are split between either side - if more companies step up & release on both formats then there would be less worry for consumers & more pressure on manufacturers to bring prices down in order to compete. It could be good for the consumer if both formats were to stay.
Its costs to consumers to have two formats. Who want s two dvd players under there telly. Average joe aint going to like that.
Whatever happens, Blue-Ray wont simply disappear. It is the confirmed format for all future PS3 games. It has a future, whether it will be carrying games or movies on our retail shelves.
Now this is actually an intresting option, having a PS3 as your Blue-Ray player with its dual HDMI output. TBH, it wouldnt suprise me if people if people did that, when you consider the price of a single BR player against a PS3 console.
Atm, the only benefit I can see with HD-DVD discs is the cost of manufacturing, now if this directly relates to cheaper retail prices, or what we are paying now for a DVD, then it certainly gets my vote over any benefit BR can offer.
What I dont want to see is a VHS Betamax situation where it didnt take long for one to become virtually extinct., competition is the only way prices will be kept competitve in the early months.
Quote from: brummieIts costs to consumers to have two formats. Who want s two dvd players under there telly. Average joe aint going to like that.
You missed the point of my post - you wouldnt need two if more production companies released on both - which could start to happen if both become popular.
The fact that not everyone with an xbox also owns a playstation means there is no reason why there has to be a dominant player to start with - if both formats gain large market share then production companies would be silly to not release on both formats thus there could be a stop to any potential format war & lots of competition amongst manufacturers to release players at a lower price.
If it turns out that some production companies still only release one format then Im sure some manufacturers will aim to make dual format players. There isnt a single computer games format there doesnt have to be a single video/DVD type format.
Quote from: DaveYou missed the point of my post - you wouldnt need two if more production companies released on both - which could start to happen if both become popular.
Realeasing on both is going to put the prices up anyway. :roll:
Quote from: brummieRealeasing on both is going to put the prices up anyway. :roll:
Competition will cause prices to rise???? :lol: ummm if you say so
Quote from: DaveQuote from: brummieRealeasing on both is going to put the prices up anyway. :roll:
Competition will cause prices to rise???? :lol: ummm if you say so
productions cost will. so say i :roll:
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i know a few studios have already signed exclusivity contracts with both hd-dvd and blu-ray and both have direct links to companies who publish dvds.
It is going to come down to a fact of getting players in homes, the one with the more players in homes will get more sales.
If sony can get the ps3 out before christmas they will all sell out, giving blu-ray a massive jump into the market.
If they dont people will buy hd-dvd players as gifts to people instead.
This christmas is the decider imo
Quote from: brummieQuote from: DaveQuote from: brummieRealeasing on both is going to put the prices up anyway. :roll:
Competition will cause prices to rise???? :lol: ummm if you say so
productions cost will. so say i :roll:
so if they can sell XYZ film to 50 million people on X format is it really going to drive up prices if they decide to also sell to 30 million people on Y format. - Umm no - stop being silly - films are sold at a massive mark up - the cost of producing the disk is/will be (once they get going) minimal compared to the retail price in shops. They want to make money to cover the many millions spent making the movie itself - so it makes sense to sell to a bigger market say 80 million people as opposed to just 50 million (by releasing in both formats) - they dont have to make as much per disk sold if they have a bigger market to sell to.
Having films released on both formats will create more competiton with the manufacturers thus bringing down the cost of the players.
http://www.dvdempire.com/exec/v2_category.asp?display=2&cat_id=1503&userid=99364698229450&tab=60&site_id=66&site_media_id=40
- br movies.
if those are american dollars the prices for those aint bad at all
Yeah they seem fairly reasonable.
/I so woulda taken that copper heatpipe off for a looky.,
Quote from: DaveQuote from: brummieQuote from: DaveQuote from: brummieRealeasing on both is going to put the prices up anyway. :roll:
Competition will cause prices to rise???? :lol: ummm if you say so
productions cost will. so say i :roll:
so if they can sell XYZ film to 50 million people on X format is it really going to drive up prices if they decide to also sell to 30 million people on Y format. - Umm no - stop being silly - films are sold at a massive mark up - the cost of producing the disk is/will be (once they get going) minimal compared to the retail price in shops. They want to make money to cover the many millions spent making the movie itself - so it makes sense to sell to a bigger market say 80 million people as opposed to just 50 million (by releasing in both formats) - they dont have to make as much per disk sold if they have a bigger market to sell to.
Having films released on both formats will create more competiton with the manufacturers thus bringing down the cost of the players.
WTF are you on about :?:
Quote from: brummieWTF are you on about :?:
It doesnt matter tbh... if I carry on the thread will get derailed as youll keep on quoting posts & inserting one line responses rather than actually taking part in any meaningful discussion.
So Ill just keep it simple - I think both formats could co-exist - there doesnt *have* to be one & this could be good for competition IMO as outlined earlier. If there is going to be a dominant format then IMO it would prob be blue ray.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E1PTGK/sr=8-1/qid=1145468766/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8770707-3234328?%5Fencoding=UTF8
HD players are currently averaging half the price of blu-ray.
Who will win? Duh. :rolleyes:
Quote from: DaveQuote from: brummieWTF are you on about :?:
It doesnt matter tbh... if I carry on the thread will get derailed as youll keep on quoting posts & inserting one line responses rather than actually taking part in any meaningful discussion.
Youll keep posting how your always right and shouldnt have to point out which bits you think we should know what you were quoting us misquoting on.
Thre is no meaningfull discussion with you. Your righ and everyone else is wayyyyy of the mark :P
Quote from: maximusotterHD players are currently averaging half the price of blu-ray.
Who will win? Duh. :rolleyes:
yeah cos its that simple LOL :lol:
of course no one is going to want to buy the PS3 now are they?
Quote from: DaveQuote from: maximusotterHD players are currently averaging half the price of blu-ray.
Who will win? Duh. :rolleyes:
yeah cos its that simple LOL :lol:
of course no one is going to want to buy the PS3 now are they?
Have to agree with Max here. HD-DVD will win out with such a huge head-start,
and Sony will continue its
long-standing tradition of coming up with
dud media formats.
Quote from: DaveQuote from: brummieWTF are you on about :?:
.....So Ill just keep it simple - I think both formats could co-exist - there doesnt *have* to be one & this could be good for competition IMO as outlined earlier. If there is going to be a dominant format then IMO it would prob be blue ray.
*cough cough*
also
Quote from: Davewell well all have to wait - but I reckon we could re-visit this thread in 2 years time and both formats will still be around (plus someone will probably have released a dual format player by then too)
http://www.tekforums.co.uk/posts/list/7395.pageI still dont think HD-DVD necessarily has to die - and surprise surprise two years on both formats are still here
But LMAO at the peeps who thought HD DVD was the sure winner
Quite interesting to look back 2 years at this :)
exactly - were two years on and STILL noone is buying the players.
Dave - it is unfair to say "haha" at the looser and people who preferred the stuff to one then the other - the thing with this war was that both were good and had the very good qualities and another thing with this war was the consumer this time did not really get a chance to choose which they preferred it was the big companies who ended up deciding it
Its perfectly acceptable to laugh when people say things like this....
QuoteHD players are currently averaging half the price of blu-ray.
Who will win? Duh. :rolleyes:
and then end up being completely wrong!
You mean when theyre smug and then wrong ?
Yep.
:)
Over Christmas they sold up to ten to one in favour of blue-ray.
wow really
lol @ Dave - yeah fairs fair you earned your right to gloat on this one!
Quote from: CypherAtm, the only benefit I can see with HD-DVD discs is the cost of manufacturing, now if this directly relates to cheaper retail prices, or what we are paying now for a DVD, then it certainly gets my vote over any benefit BR can offer.
What I dont want to see is a VHS Betamax situation where it didnt take long for one to become virtually extinct., competition is the only way prices will be kept competitve in the early months.
Those were my thoughts at the time.
Is it fair to say there was bugger all noticable price difference on most titles. The onlt advantage of HD-DVD I saw at the time. The saving of the HD-DVD would soon add up to be pointless.
At the most on box sets such as planet earth the difference was 5 to 10 quid.
Is it fair to say HD-DVD had the ball in their court with cheaper manufacturing and blew it?
TBH I wasnt expecting it to be over so soon. Perhaps the movie studios didnt like uncertainty with their income and investments. I was just about to buy a combi BR/HD-DVD drive to go into a small old shuttle to make a media centre PC.
its a shame the industry seems to have decided this one and not the consumer.
more profit in blu-ray and it sounds snazzyer
Quote from: DEViANCEits a shame the industry seems to have decided this one and not the consumer.
more profit in blu-ray and it sounds snazzyer
My thoughts the same but you have to give credit to the Blu Ray group though as I think they sort of new that HD-DVD would win the consumer war and HD-DVD backed on that but what the Blu Ray group did was target the big companies and distribution companies a hell of a lot more then the other and got all the backing and basically snuffed it out before the consumer was really ever involved. At least here Sony learnt a lesson from the past and good on them
Blu-ray Disc
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264), and VC-1
Capacity: 25 GB (single layer), 50 GB (dual layer)
Read mechanism: 405 nm laser, 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s & 4x@144 Mbit/s & 12x@432 Mbit/s[1]
Developed by: Blu-ray Disc Association
Usage: Data storage, High-definition video and PlayStation 3 games
HD DVD
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2
Capacity: 15 GB (single layer) 30 GB (dual layer)
Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s
Developed by: DVD Forum
Usage: Data storage, including high-definition video
Erm...I dont think theres any suprise really and Im glad Blu-Ray has come out on top. The specs simply speak for themselves. Blu Ray is just in a different class 8-)
Yes the specs did speak for themselves. There was no question that Blue-Ray was more impressive.
But at the time HD TVs players first started it exclusive to the weight of your wallet. HD-DVD should have had a massive price advatage when it came to manufacturing and it should have reflected in the high street. The main benefit of 2 formats was competition.
Neither formatts really sacrificed on price, they hung around the same mark. HD-DVD has suffered for it.
Quote from: dogbertBlu-ray Disc
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264), and VC-1
Capacity: 25 GB (single layer), 50 GB (dual layer)
Read mechanism: 405 nm laser, 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s & 4x@144 Mbit/s & 12x@432 Mbit/s[1]
Developed by: Blu-ray Disc Association
Usage: Data storage, High-definition video and PlayStation 3 games
HD DVD
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2
Capacity: 15 GB (single layer) 30 GB (dual layer)
Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s
Developed by: DVD Forum
Usage: Data storage, including high-definition video
Erm...I dont think theres any suprise really and Im glad Blu-Ray has come out on top. The specs simply speak for themselves. Blu Ray is just in a different class 8-)
No argument that its far more powerful - your specs speak for themselves. Could be considered overkill though. At the end of the day the brief is to play HD movies and they both do that perfectly so you could argue that your spending more money on blu ray for features your not getting the benefit of. If both were freely available Id take HD DVD everytime because otherwise your paying extra for just paper specs and your into proper geek territory there! Irrelevent now though.
Quote from: RivkidQuote from: dogbertBlu-ray Disc
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264), and VC-1
Capacity: 25 GB (single layer), 50 GB (dual layer)
Read mechanism: 405 nm laser, 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s & 4x@144 Mbit/s & 12x@432 Mbit/s[1]
Developed by: Blu-ray Disc Association
Usage: Data storage, High-definition video and PlayStation 3 games
HD DVD
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2
Capacity: 15 GB (single layer) 30 GB (dual layer)
Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s
Developed by: DVD Forum
Usage: Data storage, including high-definition video
Erm...I dont think theres any suprise really and Im glad Blu-Ray has come out on top. The specs simply speak for themselves. Blu Ray is just in a different class 8-)
No argument that its far more powerful - your specs speak for themselves. Could be considered overkill though. At the end of the day the brief is to play HD movies and they both do that perfectly so you could argue that your spending more money on blu ray for features your not getting the benefit of. If both were freely available Id take HD DVD everytime because otherwise your paying extra for just paper specs and your into proper geek territory there! Irrelevent now though.
This was the whole argument most people could not see the blind bit of difference and the same applies with the video games, more storage space yet the games looking the same and as a result of the hardware actually having fps issues on many games on the ps3.
The blu ray media is the better specced but not utilised properly at all yet and the blu ray group do seem very figity in regard to its features and changing it about
hd-dvd was cheaper and that is a bit appeal to the consumer (war never really reached them to decide though) and when you looked at them both there was not much of a difference so why the cost as you say?
That is the downside of blu ray that and the region locking, why cost so much more if your cant do much better over something half as cheap in terms of hardware and cheaper in terms of media?