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Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 09, 2006, 02:45:50 AM
Two bundles. 60Gig and 20Gig bundles. $599 and $499 respectively.
Gyroscopic controller styles after the dualshock but wireless.  Think Wii controller type movement.
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: TheMallrat on May 09, 2006, 02:54:04 AM
Release date 17th November.
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: mccracken on May 09, 2006, 03:11:13 AM
going off the price of 499 euro on the ps3 resource its gonna be 342 odd for the 20gb one which is at 499 Euros and 499 dollars,  60gb gonna be 599 dollars, will proably be 599 Euros and Ã,£410.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 09, 2006, 03:26:23 AM
Dont bet on it.  $ != ?  You are effectively paying $642 for the $499 one apparently.  

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/08/engadget-and-joystiqs-live-coverage-of-sonys-playstation-3-e3-ev/
Great coverage of the entire demo with photos from the floor.
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Post by: mccracken on May 09, 2006, 03:31:41 AM
im not taking the dollar to pound conversion rate, i was using the euro to pound as Europe is most likely more accurate, I saw it on the ps resource site had both yen, dollar and euro pricing, and do remember the pricing in the US is far people due to taxes etc.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 09, 2006, 03:37:10 AM
The ? was given as you said, but I wouldnt say that makes it Ã,£XXX yet until its announced was what I meant.
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: mccracken on May 09, 2006, 03:42:04 AM
But why would there be a change for Euros to UK. If you read that report it says they have given the pricing for Japan, US and Europe.

Also saw this http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ce.pdf

Says that the base PS3 wont come with memory stick etc parts or a HDMI connection.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 09, 2006, 07:40:21 AM
Nor will it come with wireless networking...

Is that HDMI connection or cable?  Does that mean the entry level player cannot play BD movies because it does not have the necessary HDMI connection?

According to the BBC the UK price will be Ã,£425.  According to the Sony UK representative this is due to VAT.  Bollocks!  In the presentation at E3 the Sony representative said ?499 which includes VAT.    ?499 = Ã,£340.  So that will be a VAT rate of 32%!

Rip off GB!
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Mardoni on May 09, 2006, 09:29:43 AM
In terms of cost, Ill bet its a direct $1 = Ã,£1 costing. It always is and why would Sony suddenly be gentle to "Treasure Island" consumers ?
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: neXus on May 09, 2006, 09:30:04 AM
There was some nice stuff there, but for me they just copied Nintendo and MS on several areas, the joypad as you say, the live content interface is a rip off of xbox live for example.

Although the games looks stunning they dont look like the trailers of last year, that was bound to happen, but Sony need to learn to not to pretend all the time, every console they have done that.

Scrapping their own design of joystick, then not bothering to work on a new one and just use the old one and then rip off Nintendo is kind of a disapointment for me.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Leon on May 09, 2006, 09:32:21 AM
Well they added the live content interface as a sort of last minute thing since not including one (or not including a universal gamer tag / onling gaming system) would be utterly stupid.
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Post by: neXus on May 09, 2006, 09:35:52 AM
Forgot to add, they copied the spring loaded trigers from ms, and the live button thing as well.

Honestly Sony have let me down there, sure it may be a good controler but come on, be orginal and make something you design. Not just take the old one, shove other guys things into it and say "new controler for the win!"
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Leon on May 09, 2006, 09:36:43 AM
it still looks like a fridge aswell :P
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: neXus on May 09, 2006, 09:41:48 AM
George forman wok thing.

The controler has no rumble, they recon people did not want it. But i recon they couldnt fit it in.
The controler, watching E3 blog vids - is a week old! Talk about rushing it at the last minute :?
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Leon on May 09, 2006, 09:43:57 AM
no rumble?! hmmm, i think that was a bad choice
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: neXus on May 09, 2006, 10:17:43 AM
Quote from: Doomsno rumble?! hmmm, i think that was a bad choice

Nah, i bet you anything with the Tilt control stuff in there they had no room, and now the feature of it being light as they kept saying is becuase there is no rumble pack in there to give it the heavy feel anymore.
Very transparent of them.
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Post by: Leon on May 09, 2006, 10:55:50 AM
I like the heavy feel, hmmm end of day i dont think it really matters since i dont think ill get one - just interesting the way they taken this
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Post by: neXus on May 09, 2006, 11:20:52 AM
Here it is:
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/65/ps3controller48011471487597qf.jpg)
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Leon on May 09, 2006, 11:36:56 AM
interesting to see they have added a mini usb to it.
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Post by: Cypher on May 09, 2006, 12:46:27 PM
I would imagine that is for charging it or a wired connection.  No more unique ports to the console.
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 09, 2006, 19:31:58 PM
Quote from: neXusGeorge forman wok thing.

The controler has no rumble, they recon people did not want it. But i recon they couldnt fit it in.
The controler, watching E3 blog vids - is a week old! Talk about rushing it at the last minute :?

Dont forget the court case that Sony recently lost regarding vibration function in a controller patent.  Sony lost, has to pay huge amount of money in compensation since the DualShock 1+2 have sold millions.

MS wisely paid up, and then bought into the company that was suing everyone for the feedback in controllers patent. :)  I dont know where Nintendo stands with this, their Wii controller has vibration too so I can only assume they have paid up as well.

BTW, the Ã,£425 price is apparently for the $599 model.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: redneck on May 09, 2006, 21:36:58 PM
i do believe if microshaft play their cards right they can sink sony on this one :(
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Leon on May 09, 2006, 21:47:11 PM
Quote from: redi do believe if microshaft play their cards right they can sink sony on this one :(

Woo! That makes me happy :D
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Goblin on May 09, 2006, 22:04:19 PM
Wow, Sony have just nailed their own coffin. Ripping off the tilt control from Nintendos add-on bit of the controller (cant detect position, only movement) and, by the look of the guy playing Warhawk, not very well. Losing the exclusive window to GTA. And the price! For the non-crippled version at ?600 that equates to Ã,£410. But being the UK that will most likely be Ã,£429.99 or maybe even Ã,£449.99, just to round it off. Lets assume thats for a single controller, add maybe another Ã,£30-Ã,£50 for a second one and a couple of games and suddely youre looking at shelling out Ã,£550 to Ã,£600 for a games console. People will refuse to pay that much themselves and parents may be telling little Jimmy that Santa couldnt get a PS3 because he was just too naughty.

As for the rumble, MS and Nintendo both licensed Immersions tech for the rumble and then bought part of the company. Sony went to court, lost, were forced to pay over $90million and STILL cant use a rumble feature.
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Serious on May 09, 2006, 22:15:39 PM
Quote from: BBCThe new PlayStation 3 (PS3) will hit Japanese stores on 11 November, with the US and Europe following less than a week later, Sony has announced.

The console will come in two versions starting at $499 in the US and 499 euros (Ã,£341) in Europe.

Sony announced the prices on the eve of the E3 games expo in Los Angeles.

The PS3 is the successor to the best-selling PlayStation 2 and will compete with Microsofts Xbox 360 and Nintendos Wii.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4752895.stm
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 10, 2006, 02:37:57 AM
I dont understand your point Serious, that Ã,£341 is what it will be if exchange rate applies.  If it actually was that price they would have already stated it.  Sony UK representive said price for top one may be Ã,£425...  thats not the exchange rate conversion of ?599 or $599

Quote from: Sony UKFinal pricing in the UK has not been set, but the top model would probably retail at about Ã,£425, said Ray MacGuire, of Sony UK.

BTW, I hope everyone has noticed the Playstation button on the middle of the controller.  Quite reminiscent of the Guide button on a 360 controller, dont you think?

What is Sony themselves actually bringing to next gen that they havent stolen from Nintendo and MS?  Blueray.  Anything else?  

Notice a distinct lack of dual HDMI outputs on the top PS3, so no dual outputs as previously stated.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Goblin on May 10, 2006, 08:50:19 AM
And NO HDMI on the base model. Or wireless. So that will be a Ã,£350 console that you wont even be able to use to play Bluray movies.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: neXus on May 10, 2006, 08:55:09 AM
Quote from: GoblinAnd NO HDMI on the base model. Or wireless. So that will be a Ã,£350 console that you wont even be able to use to play Bluray movies.

Ã,£399 minimum, Ã,£425 is the most common said figure
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Leon on May 10, 2006, 09:22:01 AM
but it will still do well becuase its got playstation attached to it... used to drive me mad when i worked at gamestation
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Post by: Cypher on May 10, 2006, 19:44:21 PM
Indeed, a brandname has the power to sell something alone.  Remebers the queues for the PSP.
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Post by: soopahfly on May 10, 2006, 20:11:45 PM
I like the controller LEDS telling you which pad youve got.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 10, 2006, 20:12:28 PM
Quote from: neXus
Quote from: GoblinAnd NO HDMI on the base model. Or wireless. So that will be a Ã,£350 console that you wont even be able to use to play Bluray movies.

Ã,£399 minimum, Ã,£425 is the most common said figure

Ã,£425 is for the top model, ie $599

No hdmi does not mean no bluray movies, it means no hdmi connection.  It will be akin to comparing composite video and rgb scart.  the picture quality wont be as good
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Post by: Mardoni on May 10, 2006, 20:35:46 PM
Quote from: soopahflyI like the controller LEDS telling you which pad youve got.

teee heehehe, stolen from the 360 but not a stylishly done imo.

I was saying on another forum that I am quite pleased the 360 came out first and that I chose to buy it. I was pondering getting a PS2 on the cheap and waiting for the PS3 but now, reading all these E3 reviews and tit-bits, I am glad I just got straight in with the 360.

Worse case, I have to go out and buy a standalone bluray/HD-DVD player...which I was planning on dooing anyway !
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Post by: soopahfly on May 10, 2006, 20:48:08 PM
I dont think blu-ray will take off tbh.

Youll need a seperate player to play all your old DVDs whereas a HD-DVD player is backwards compatable.

Sorry sony, looks like your going to lose another format war.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Mardoni on May 10, 2006, 21:23:22 PM
Yeah, I am almost convinced of that too tbh.

Although bluray might stick around for PC use, I think it is going to struggle to become the distributors format of choice because of the additional cost of manufacturing bluray over HD-DVD.
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Post by: Cypher on May 11, 2006, 00:14:31 AM
It has a future guaranteed in the short term.  All PS3 games will be in Blue Ray and serveral Film Studios and Game Developers such as EA have allready given Blue Ray the thumbs up.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 11, 2006, 00:26:55 AM
That is the only thing that is really going to push Blueray sales and market penetration, the PS3.  I have to say, apart from Serenity, Blueray has the more appealing initial line up of hi-def movies.  A shame the cases for both types insist of the bulbous top to the cases, meaning they dont fit in standard DVD racks (from what I have read).

I expect HD addon for the 360 would be price at $199.  They have to price it so a Premium + HD will cost the same or less than the entry level PS3 in my opinion.  Any more, then you may as well go for the PS3 if you want HD content as well as a games machine.
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Post by: Leon on May 11, 2006, 09:29:14 AM
M$ also said that if BlueRay takes off and HD-DVD dies (which they believe wont happen) they can just release a blueray expansion for the 360 :)
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Post by: Cypher on May 11, 2006, 18:14:38 PM
TBH they would be doing every one afavour If they got together and supported A format.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 11, 2006, 19:04:00 PM
They wont make as much money if their format does not become the defacto standard.
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Post by: Leon on May 12, 2006, 09:39:12 AM
Hehe...

(http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060512.jpg)
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: FuMaN on May 14, 2006, 11:02:18 AM
Quote from: soopahflyI dont think blu-ray will take off tbh.

Youll need a seperate player to play all your old DVDs whereas a HD-DVD player is backwards compatable.

Sorry sony, looks like your going to lose another format war.

I thought the PS3 was backwards compatible with PS2 and PS so that should mean it can play DVDs. I dont really know much about this but my friend did paste this to me
QuoteThe main advantage of the Panasonic chip is that, as well as offering Blu-ray read and write support, it is backwards-compatible with CD and DVD reading and writing. This allows optical drive manufacturers to offer consumers a single solution for all their disc format needs.
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Post by: skidzilla on May 14, 2006, 12:49:43 PM
Playstation 3 might just make it in 2007.

Quote"...Microsoft will be the first company with 10 million products on the market..."

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31684

Poor Sony.
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 17, 2006, 00:11:23 AM
OUCH!
Looking at the url, its the PS 360! ;)  Not only are they copying MS features, they are ripping the name off too :D

https://www.dvd.co.uk/product.asp?id=PSP360GB

Also, rather interesting poll from Japan regarding will you or wont you buy a ps3.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101215
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Post by: Leon on May 17, 2006, 10:05:18 AM
Thats interesting, esp since Japan is sonys only real hope to catch up
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Post by: Cypher on May 18, 2006, 19:06:50 PM
New, rumour, Ã,£425, 60GB version only for UK.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/05/18/uk_playstation_3_425/
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Post by: skidzilla on May 18, 2006, 20:16:59 PM
Heavy Rain video by Quantic dream.
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5662/heavyrain51968761jx.th.jpg) (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heavyrain51968761jx.jpg)
http://ps3.qj.net/Heavy-Rain-The-Casting-Demo/pg/49/aid/39328
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Post by: Deaths Head on May 19, 2006, 00:23:04 AM
Her mouth is weird.  And her eyes are scary.

I dont see it being 60GB only, the reason  I think that is the fact that it has the HDMI interface.  There are alot of HD ready tvs out there that dont have HDMI, and if no component output then people will just buy X360+HD-DVD.
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Post by: neXus on May 19, 2006, 00:37:45 AM
Quote from: CypherNew, rumour, Ã,£425, 60GB version only for UK.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/05/18/uk_playstation_3_425/

confirmed by the EU Sony rep, Saying its a bargin, and going on about how blue ray drives will be Ã,£600-700 so its cheap as chips.
They making a loss on it yeah, but i would not call it cheap.

I think Sony and Nintendo will come out same week and Nintendo Wii will be dirt cheap and sell better then the PS3. As a whole before xmas a parent will bet a wii or 360 over a ps3 down to sheer cost, only the hardcore ps fans will be picking it up for a while, complete the games and get bored waiting for it.

One concern i have is that the wii controler so far looks easy to use, comfy and games made well with it.
I know its all early for the PS3 controler but videos i have seen of people using it, it does not look like you can play a game that uses it for very long and your wrists will not be to keen.


I still love that card game using the eyetoy though.
Title: Re:PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Cypher on May 19, 2006, 00:45:21 AM
Quote from: neXusconfirmed by the EU Sony rep, Saying its a bargin, and going on about how blue ray drives will be Ã,£600-700 so its cheap as chips.
They making a loss on it yeah, but i would not call it cheap.

No, because by all accounts a Blue-Ray player is expensive considering a HD-DVD player will set you back about Ã,£300.  Hardly cheap at all.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Deaths Head on May 19, 2006, 00:46:33 AM
Quote from: Sonylooks like Ã,£425 in the UK at the moment.
He hasnt confirmed anything.  He is being vague.
Title: PS3 Announcements.
Post by: Leon on May 19, 2006, 09:27:40 AM
blueray isnt even a standard yet. Why would anyone pay Ã,£600-800 for a player before that battle is sorted out?
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Post by: mccracken on May 19, 2006, 11:07:29 AM
I think if the wii is released this christmas it will make the PS3s first years a lot more difficult. I think the 360 was in a way lucky to be the only console available last christmas as if parents were getting a next gen console for their kids that was the only choice.