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Is it the same sorta thing as VOIP? And whats a good cheapy handset?

skype is to VOIP as hoover is to vacuum cleaners

I use skype a lot has really taken over from MSN for me and my mates, family...etc.

I just use a desktop mic and the comps speakers, if you can get nearly everybody you know to install it you save a fortune on call and it good for about 4 or 5 people, so great for online gaming with a few mates etc.

Can you get wifi or cordless ones?

Quote from: sdpCan you get wifi or cordless ones?

yes.. you can can even gaet GSM mobile phones that have wifi built in & 3g internet access
Technology today eh?

I personally find skype expensive piece of rubbish. I use fring on my mobile phone

I thought it was basically free?

Computer to computer is free, computer to landline or mobile you have to pay, I've never used it so couldn't comment on the prices.

Quote from: sdpAnd whats a good cheapy handset?

Got this in an email from SVP today:


Linksys Cordless VOIP Internet Telephony Kit - £6.99

Excludes delivery (around £5 min i think). Login to get that price. Cant comment on the quality but its got to be worth a poke at that price!

EDIT: Ive just ordered two for under £20 delivered. Hopefully cut phone costs to the missus while im in London for me internship

LOL.  I recently ordered a similar model that was £50 from our suplliers.

Its a good piece of kit.  Very easy to setup.

Tom, Joe has that phone paid £60 for it iirc last year.

It only works with skype, which rather sucks.

That said I have a linksys pap2 hooked up to my router, and a dect cordless phone hooked up to the pap2.

Proper voip (sip), cheaper than skype, and a proper number that doesnt cost anything :D

Also because I have a geographical number that is in the Cardiff area it means friends and family get it in their free call bundles, regardless if im in Australia (same cardiff number) or just down the road.

www.sipgate.co.uk I use them - Top up as and when I need it but at just over 1p (1.1p to landlines 9p to mobiles) its few and far between.

Linksys Pap2 - £25 on ebay.
Dect Phone - £5 from gumtree

Sorted.

Other bonus is that with wifi, and SJPhone on my XDA orbit II I can also take calls and use it for calls when im out and about if needs be. My nokia N80 even allowed me to do that.

Best thing being, I dont need my computer on at all to use my pap2 and dect combo... hell even configuration can be done using IVR and keycodes.

Edit: Sipgates Tariff

UNITED KINGDOM     Fixed-lines  Mobile
United Kingdom         1.19p/min   9.90p/min  
United Kingdom 0844 5.00p/min     -  
United Kingdom 0845 3.00p/min     -  
United Kingdom 0870 7.51p/min     -  
United Kingdom 0871 10.00p/min   -  
 


Quote from: Eggtasticoskype is to VOIP as hoover is to vacuum cleaners

If J Edgar proceeds the word hoover... maybe.

Skype != VOIP.

May as well say MSN voice chat is VOIP for all thats worth.

Quote from: M3ta7h3ad

Quote from: Eggtasticoskype is to VOIP as hoover is to vacuum cleaners

If J Edgar proceeds the word hoover... maybe.

Skype != VOIP.

May as well say MSN voice chat is VOIP for all thats worth.

Hoover is a brand name of vacuum cleaner that has become synonymous with the product, just as Skype has to VOIP. However they are not the same thing. Im pretty sure you two are agreeing  :w00t:

Id be fairly annoyed if those phones only worked with Skype but im sure i can live with it. Pap2 sounds good, save my missus having to turn the PC on before we spoke.

Im another user of sipgate. Whats good is that you can get your own phone number with any area code (use full if you want to pretend you have  a weekend retreat or playboy studio in london)
Even got to choose my number - so I got me a good one :oD
Setup fring on your mobile & it can all go through sipgate

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Quote from: M3ta7h3ad

Quote from: Eggtasticoskype is to VOIP as hoover is to vacuum cleaners

If J Edgar proceeds the word hoover... maybe.

Skype != VOIP.

May as well say MSN voice chat is VOIP for all thats worth.

Hoover is a brand name of vacuum cleaner that has become synonymous with the product, just as Skype has to VOIP. However they are not the same thing. Im pretty sure you two are agreeing  :w00t:

Id be fairly annoyed if those phones only worked with Skype but im sure i can live with it. Pap2 sounds good, save my missus having to turn the PC on before we spoke.

yeah they only have skype. They connect using USB to your pc. Just its a "dect" skype phone, as I understand it.

lol @ your interpretation, man youre so deep! :d that flew right over my head.

im with eggtastico... chose my number, its fairly easy to remember and one of the only ones I know that actually starts with a 0. :)

02920 00... :D

For the linksys above:

QuoteMinimum System Requirements:
- Internet connection (cable/DSL/other)
- PC with 400MHz processor
- 128MB RAM
- One available USB connection
- 15MB hard disk space
- Windows XP, 2000
- Skype software (Included) installed on PC
- CD-ROM drive

I use:

Standard Panasonic Dect into a PAP2 w/ sipgate

Panasonic Globarange w/ JoIP (locked and not impressed)

DualPhone DECT Skype phone w/ landline
No need for PC.

Of the 3, the Skype DualPhone was the easiest to setup and use oh and the call quality is the best. I also find it cheaper than the alternatives.
I have a 0208 Skype-In number meaning that I can receive calls from anyone, anywhere and I pay for a Skype-Pro subscription which gives me unlimited minutes to landline phones for £1.50 p/m

I have a trixbox server  :ptu:

nice.
I set that up for a proof of concept at work but I couldnt make it cost effective for the 20+ sites / 300+ phone extensions wed need to support.

Turns out its cheaper to just buy a load of skype phones :s (Even though that means were totally reliant on the P2P network not being destroyed by the ISPs).

Skype doesnt run on P2P ports mate...

I run asterisk proper - trixbox is ok to start but its full of that many hacks and patches none of it really works as it should

I use these for my handsets

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I have 3 of them, and a couple of 7961s

have an FXO card in the asterisk server so i can use our POTS line, and I have an E1 thats paid for by work, as I have an IVR set up for the pair of us that operate in the north.

Backup is over the internet to a number of SIP providers

I ordered one of those 25quid ones, worst case is itll go straight on ebay.

Quote from: MarkI run asterisk proper - trixbox is ok to start but its full of that many hacks and patches none of it really works as it should

I use these for my handsets

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I have 3 of them, and a couple of 7961s

have an FXO card in the asterisk server so i can use our POTS line, and I have an E1 thats paid for by work, as I have an IVR set up for the pair of us that operate in the north.

Backup is over the internet to a number of SIP providers

I want one of those! :o

I have a Cisco phone as well, they work quite well, but mine is a plain office one aquired from an office (7960 series), not the fancy ones that display video as well.
I managed to get my trixbox/asterisk (tbh I thought they was 1 & the same) working exactly how I wanted & havent needed to touch it since.
I got a spare FXO card somwhere.. was cheaper to buy 2x from sweden than it was for 1x from the UK - dont know why I bothered because the
whole house is hasnt been wired for RJ11 & have no intentions of having a landphone installed.

Just waiting for my mate to get his hands on a Wifi phone for me (he works for Nortel) - only been waiting a 12month  :gag:

because we are a trapeze reseller I have a GSM/Wifi Gateway appliance ready to be opened in my study :)

When I plumb it in I will be able to roam from GSM to my asterisk seamless

You can use many Nokia phones as SIP handsets wirelessly with asterisk, its piss easy setting them up as an extension

should be handy enough in freePBX as well

trixbox is based on asterisk, with many hacks and patches applied - and management utilities like FreePBX loaded.

Quote from: Markbecause we are a trapeze reseller I have a GSM/Wifi Gateway appliance ready to be opened in my study :)

When I plumb it in I will be able to roam from GSM to my asterisk seamless

You can use many Nokia phones as SIP handsets wirelessly with asterisk, its piss easy setting them up as an extension

should be handy enough in freePBX as well

yep thats the plan.. I currently got SIP working on an n73 running through the 3g/gprs connection as it dont have wifi!
I use fring as the 3rd party app on my phone & sipgate as the incoming call that also works my asterisk/trixbox server.
Works well enough for needs - though the quality aint brilliant for the obvious reasons on my n73.
Upgrade time soon & Im holding off for the n96 - then Ill be in business :oD

Quote from: MaldonadoSkype doesnt run on P2P ports mate...

No, I know that it doesnt use standard P2P ports but the design of the network / carriage of call data is utilises P2P.
I was playing with identifying and setting QoS against Skype traffic with my Cisco router. If I can do that then it really wouldnt be too hard for ISPs to identify and block Skype traffic.

Id really like to get Asterisk deployed at work but I just dont get the time to properly investigate it.
Its all a bit more complicated than Id like. I need to have a single Asterisk box acting as a SIP PBX for all extension across 23 sites.
Each extension has to be a DECT handset and have access to a landline that is local to the extension (and remote from the Asterisk box) and provided by a POTS PBX.
I started looking at installing PAP2 type devices on each DECT extension, with the PAP2 logging into a single Asterisk box over the web. Unfortunately I couldnt figure out an easy way to deploy the PAP2 configuration automagically to each PAP2 and the thought of manually configuring 300 PAP2s put the project on hold :(

I probably just need to sit down and start again. The problem I have is that with limited knowledge comes bad decisions. Im sure there are better ways to achieve what I want too but I just havent found them yet.

What youre describing would be relatively painless

All you need is a site to site VPN between your sites and head office - you could easily serve this with a cheap fortinet or checkpoint safe@office box.

An ATA at each site configured as an extension on asterisk, all you need is the mac address. Your firewalls local to the sites then just need a simple crypto rule (or encrypt rule if checkpoint) to direct the voice traffic off to/from the PBX

I wouldnt use one of those PAP2s - youd probably be better off with an ATA186

I would also recommend buying g.729 codec licenses, as it is more suited to a WAN environment.

htf does it work then? If I dial from the skype interface the phone rings but the handset doesnt do anything.

If I dial from the handset I get a funny wwwwwhhh tone.#

edit: oic!

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Quote from: MaldonadoSkype doesnt run on P2P ports mate...

No, I know that it doesnt use standard P2P ports but the design of the network / carriage of call data is utilises P2P.
I was playing with identifying and setting QoS against Skype traffic with my Cisco router. If I can do that then it really wouldnt be too hard for ISPs to identify and block Skype traffic.

Id really like to get Asterisk deployed at work but I just dont get the time to properly investigate it.
Its all a bit more complicated than Id like. I need to have a single Asterisk box acting as a SIP PBX for all extension across 23 sites.
Each extension has to be a DECT handset and have access to a landline that is local to the extension (and remote from the Asterisk box) and provided by a POTS PBX.
I started looking at installing PAP2 type devices on each DECT extension, with the PAP2 logging into a single Asterisk box over the web. Unfortunately I couldnt figure out an easy way to deploy the PAP2 configuration automagically to each PAP2 and the thought of manually configuring 300 PAP2s put the project on hold :(

I probably just need to sit down and start again. The problem I have is that with limited knowledge comes bad decisions. Im sure there are better ways to achieve what I want too but I just havent found them yet.

However there are apps out there that can grab and deploy XML files containing the configuration for pap2 devices, not sure if it has been used on a mass deployment as they are intended for backup purposes and stuff.

And mark the ATA186 is a pap2 in a cisco shell. Considering linksys are owned by cisco...

I used it for like 44seconds to call a LL and i charged me like 30p for it :?

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Quote from: Nimrod

Quote from: MaldonadoSkype doesnt run on P2P ports mate...

No, I know that it doesnt use standard P2P ports but the design of the network / carriage of call data is utilises P2P.
I was playing with identifying and setting QoS against Skype traffic with my Cisco router. If I can do that then it really wouldnt be too hard for ISPs to identify and block Skype traffic.

Id really like to get Asterisk deployed at work but I just dont get the time to properly investigate it.
Its all a bit more complicated than Id like. I need to have a single Asterisk box acting as a SIP PBX for all extension across 23 sites.
Each extension has to be a DECT handset and have access to a landline that is local to the extension (and remote from the Asterisk box) and provided by a POTS PBX.
I started looking at installing PAP2 type devices on each DECT extension, with the PAP2 logging into a single Asterisk box over the web. Unfortunately I couldnt figure out an easy way to deploy the PAP2 configuration automagically to each PAP2 and the thought of manually configuring 300 PAP2s put the project on hold :(

I probably just need to sit down and start again. The problem I have is that with limited knowledge comes bad decisions. Im sure there are better ways to achieve what I want too but I just havent found them yet.

However there are apps out there that can grab and deploy XML files containing the configuration for pap2 devices, not sure if it has been used on a mass deployment as they are intended for backup purposes and stuff.

And mark the ATA186 is a pap2 in a cisco shell. Considering linksys are owned by cisco...

theyre similar (very) but not the same.
The ATA was a komodo  product. The team that left cisco after their buyout developed another device that was licensed to Linksys.

@ Meta
Ive found a couple of device that you can provision via any HTTP server. They could well be a good solution as (from what Ive read so far) I can get the device to report its URL in the HTTP GET header and then use a PHP script to determine the correct provisioning script based on Public IP (site) and device (mac address). Could be ideal.

Quote from: sdpI used it for like 44seconds to call a LL and i charged me like 30p for it :?

Are you talking about Skype ?? If so I cant see how :o
http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/prices/callrates/#listing-U

Wait, I got 1.02 euros bundled with my phone;

Jun 09 22:39 +4423........... United Kingdom Call £0.012 00:15 £0.041
Jun 09 21:26 +4423........... United Kingdom Call £0.012 00:46 £0.041
Jun 09 21:11 +4423........... United Kingdom Call £0.012 00:00 £0.000

I got £0.71 left. That makes sense.