As we know Sony has shot a lot of holes in its feet with the PS3, creating a nice machine but with a lot of issues in all areas from games, marketing, cost, software and more..
Recently the news broke that they are going to sell some of the cell chip plants to Toshiba and No current Central Proccessing Unit maker have said they have been approached by Sony for talks on new projects and IBM has said no development plans have been made with Sony as well while Both Microsoft and Nintento have confirmed developments in this area.
Rumour on the web is that Sony does not seem to plan to have any form of ps4 development and may as a result pull out of the gaming market. This may be a stretch since it is more likley they will stick with the ps3 with some updates even when the other contenders reveal their next gen machines but it practically would mean they are pulling out
I think they will compete on the portable side but the gaming element of Sony is costing the whole company a lot of cash and more then even Microsofts sink hole but unlike Microsoft it is actually effect other areas of the company and Sony may cut the console division to work on other things.
I think with key people leaving, key game developers going elsewhere, not signing exclusive rights or thinking about going other format and once again their online service being nowhere and "home" seemingly delayed for a while Shows Sony is really hurting.
This and things like their exploding batteries and other failures and the money they are putting into blue ray it defiantly looks like the PS4 could get the chop to save cash.
As others have suggested on the web, the game divisions will more then likley continue to run like Sega but I am kind of leaning to them not making anything more then a psp2 and maybe devices for other machines becuase Sony over the past few years has not crashed as a company but it is getting nearer the edge every year and it is funny to say but a lot of their issues have been their own fault.
I think Sony got to all high and mighty for their own good and pushed it and not been hitting the right buttons in some products like they used to compared to others.
Portable music they were right up there but have been out classed by even smaller companies and of course the Ipod...
They still do good home cinema and notebooks for example though
IF Blue ray looses the war though that really is going to be the noose around Some Sony departments necks though
I thiink its too early in the ps3s lifespan to say definatly, but thrtr have been rumours to say the ps3 is the last. I think they would be mad to compete with the mighty N in the portable market. others have tried and failed.
they rely a lot on brand loyalty, which I dont see the point of. people buy their products because it says sony. I have found in the past that a lot of the sony stuff is built cheap, sold expensive and I try to avoid it at all costs.
be a shame to lose sony from the console game just like it was a sad day to lose Sega.
I wouldnt miss Sony TBH. Owned both PS1 and PS2 in the past and disliked them both. Always a more fun console in the market in my opinion (N64, Dreamcast, Xbox). Sure they had huge numbers of games available but the vast majority were poor and not worth playing. Only positive aspect was their light gun support which was very good.
you fall in love with sony, sony doesnt fall in love with you.
Id like them to stick with it, I think the competition is good.
I still aint wrote off the ps3, give it a year and a price cut and itll take off.
TBH I think its far to early to consider PS4 development. The PS3 is a good console that is being steared by poor decisions, pricing and marketing.
I look at the PS2 and still suprised how long it took to take full advantage of the consoles hardware capabilites. IE GT3 -> GT4. The difference of quality between the games over the years. The same will be the same of the other two consoles.
I dont see Blueray failing being a noose. It will just be the PS3 with its own optical storage media. Not the first time a console has used its own media.
I dont expect the PS3 to be a total flop, but against the what MS and Nintendo have produced, its no wonder they are struggling.
Quote from: CypherTBH I think its far to early to consider PS4 development. The PS3 is a good console that is being steared by poor decisions, pricing and marketing.
I look at the PS2 and still suprised how long it took to take full advantage of the consoles hardware capabilites. IE GT3 -> GT4. The difference of quality between the games over the years. The same will be the same of the other two consoles.
I dont see Blueray failing being a noose. It will just be the PS3 with its own optical storage media. Not the first time a console has used its own media.
I dont expect the PS3 to be a total flop, but against the what MS and Nintendo have produced, its no wonder they are struggling.
Development cycles for the next consoles start almost before the other is even released The next Microsoft console already has a code name and Nintendo have chunked out a few patents and both have got their deals done for cpu and MS for the GPU for the next console, Sony has not yet and unless they want to make the same mistake again which microsoft learned the first time around with the xbox is to not be the last one out there, you need the development kits out there with a lot of time in hand
Blue ray is being pushed by Sony in an insane way both hd parties are and a lot of money is involved a lot into the movie side and a lot has gone to the movie industry sorts.
And they have all their blue ray devices, they are even in laptops and the new sony computers
The ps3 wont flop no but it will be the xbox of the last time costing Sony a hell of a lot more then MS and with no decent online experience
Even in a year the ps3 wont do so well, The 1st party games will look better but as mentioned before developers develop on the success and happy life first and that is and still will be the xbox and then convert and work on the other formats and as a result the ps3 may have better fps rates next year but will not look that much better from 3rd party developers and developers even admit it will still be a bit of a pain to code
3 core cpu seems to be a nice thing as well becuase AMD will be shipping tri cores (they will be quad cores with one failed core)
They cant exactly plan much whith a HiDef War.
It could cost Sony millions in losing the war & any devlopment they decide to do on the PS4.
Besides, whats the Rush?
Your going to have to look at somthing that would be like a next gen Wii.
What the Wii done, was what the NES done in the early 80s when `gaming` was a family thing, rather than chucked in a kids bedrooom.
Its still to early for Sony to say if the PS3 is a Hit or Not, so its not as if they can many positives or negatives from the system.
Also, its a changing world, RF/Analog is going, Everything is going digital, TV are going HiDef, etc.
I would expect well see a new portable device of somesort, then maybe a slimmed down PS3, before coming back with somthing over-hyped & trying to push some sort of new proprietary media & be HD Only.
The PS1 came through because it allowed the use of CDs and cheap games when the incumbents still tried to keep going with carts. The PS2 achieved similar success because the PS1 was a success and there wasnt anything better out there.
Unfortunately the PS3 looks to be a disaster for Sony, and its all their own fault. M$ beat it on speed to market and the Wii on price and usability. People dont equate it to being special any more. Its a big sting for them and they are smarting badly so there should be little wonder if they are reconsidering their position before creating a PS4.
Way too early to be talking PS4, Sony did state the PS2 would ideally have a 10-year shelf life so theres no reason why the PS3 shouldnt get the same.
Id be mighty pissed off if I finally broke and bought a PS3 only for the PS4 to be unveiled a year or so down the line.
Quote from: CheuleWay too early to be talking PS4, Sony did state the PS2 would ideally have a 10-year shelf life so theres no reason why the PS3 shouldnt get the same.
Id be mighty pissed off if I finally broke and bought a PS3 only for the PS4 to be unveiled a year or so down the line.
Next gen life cycles are 5 years tops and always have been, the older console may not die but the new ones are about then and such development gets started like now.
Sony have not done the steps companies would normally do or have done of which Nintendo and Microsoft already have to work on the development of their next machines
I mean not a console but the 3rd gen iphone is in development already
Quote from: neXusQuote from: CheuleWay too early to be talking PS4, Sony did state the PS2 would ideally have a 10-year shelf life so theres no reason why the PS3 shouldnt get the same.
Id be mighty pissed off if I finally broke and bought a PS3 only for the PS4 to be unveiled a year or so down the line.
Next gen life cycles are 5 years tops and always have been, the older console may not die but the new ones are about then and such development gets started like now.
Sony have not done the steps companies would normally do or have done of which Nintendo and Microsoft already have to work on the development of their next machines
I mean not a console but the 3rd gen iphone is in development already
Development to working model means nothing TBH as things change so rapidly.
I personally think it would be kind of awkward to design a new console now... DO you go motion controllers? maybe somthing that straps to your wrist & legs? Do you ditch everything that supports non HiDef standard on the H/Ware side?
Sony biggest problem ATM is Online Play & OnDemand services. - I personally think thats where the next console war will be won & lost.
What would you want in a next Gen console?
Personally for me, I would like:-
Multiple Screen inputs (say 3?)
Internet & Web browser (without going through a portal - I mean, why should I pay for Xbox live to surf the net?)
Motion control
Maybe have straps that have a pouch for motion sensors.
Think of fighting games.. Head, elbows, hands, knees, feet, etc. - They would have to be cheap to produce - which would be easy if they done the opposite to Wiis, where as the Sensor Bar is the sensor & the remote is just an IR - Could even do it with RF Tags instead)
and if you need buttons, get a big f**k off controller that resembles a drum machine. One of the annoying things about the wii is that you end up moving your arms and things in big circles & then piss about with a fiddly button to 4. If im prancing around the room like twat having a virtual fight, then I want buttons as big as saucers - even have them so they can rotate 90 degrees So you can just punch A B C (Head Body Nutsack)
or car racing games - you wouldnt need a steering wheel, just pretend like a 3yr old does :mrgreen:
100% IBM PC network compatible - for sharing folders, streaming music, movies, etc.
HD Support Only. Save coders the hassle. Lets be honest, If you can afford a PS3, then you can afford a HD Set, if not owning one already.
development of the console and its internal structure starts almost before the current one is finished, all you listed is later on in the development And As I keep mentioning, while the others have done the deals needed to start work on this Sony has yet to do so hence why people are wondering if they are going to or not, And if they do it will probably mean finishing later then the others and being late in the game again
I personally do not think motion control is the way to go or works, I think the wii has a very short shelf life becuase I cant see any other cool games coming out of worth bar just sequels and the same old same old
The sony control is crap and not enough support and to much motion needed.
I do think it has a small place like the rumble, small thing but there and matters when developed into the game.
I think more of the lines of a motion sensor in the control that has produces some effect when you play normally basically running like the opposite of the rumble. Not something you focus on doing like shaking but when you play and move about it has effects and outcomes as a result of that motion - if you get me..
But I totally agree with you with online - Sony just does not seem to have a clue there
Nintendo thought it was not the way to go but admitted to being wrong and sat down and learnt what people want
Quote from: neXusdevelopment of the console and its internal structure starts almost before the current one is finished, all you listed is later on in the development And As I keep mentioning, while the others have done the deals needed to start work on this Sony has yet to do so hence why people are wondering if they are going to or not, And if they do it will probably mean finishing later then the others and being late in the game again
I personally do not think motion control is the way to go or works, I think the wii has a very short shelf life becuase I cant see any other cool games coming out of worth bar just sequels and the same old same old
The sony control is crap and not enough support and to much motion needed.
I do think it has a small place like the rumble, small thing but there and matters when developed into the game.
I think more of the lines of a motion sensor in the control that has produces some effect when you play normally basically running like the opposite of the rumble. Not something you focus on doing like shaking but when you play and move about it has effects and outcomes as a result of that motion - if you get me..
But I totally agree with you with online - Sony just does not seem to have a clue there
Nintendo thought it was not the way to go but admitted to being wrong and sat down and learnt what people want
Its the kind of thing that gets expensive if your not the market leader.
Look at Sega & how they ended up with 2 bumbed consoles in a row.
Nintendo seem to have learned from the Gamecube.
Maybe Sony will skip the Next Gen. There again, the PS3 is the far superior machine to the Xbox360, but what good is that if companies are just porting game from machine to machine?
Look at Nintendo & the games they bring out from within house.
I dont find games immersive (sp?) enough anymore (hence I want 3 screens). Cant remember the last time I lost hours due to playing a game.
Quote from: Eggtasticothe PS3 is the far superior machine to the Xbox360,
Id Disagree with that to a point. When both machines are off, comparing spec for spec, then yeah, PS3 theoretically has more power. But when they are on, the PS3 uses so much horsepower to run their version of the dashboard that it falls to equal or less. Uses loads of memory and cpu time. I think theres even a whole portion of the CELL dedicated to just that.
Coupled with the fact that the PS3 does all its scaling via software, as opposed to the Xboxs ANA/HANA chips.