http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/dvd/
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704
Go get it! 8)
Tried it on my laptop last night.
Its fantastic :mrgreen:
Its been fantastic for months. :P
Its nice.
One thing though:
Dual monitors. I installed the proprietry nvidia drivers and used the nvidia-settings gui to set up dual monitors, but since my two screens are of different resolutions i miss the bottom of the desktop on the smaller one. It doesnt resize! Any way round this?
Quote from: funkychicken9000Dual monitors. I installed the proprietry nvidia drivers and used the nvidia-settings gui to set up dual monitors, but since my two screens are of different resolutions i miss the bottom of the desktop on the smaller one. It doesnt resize! Any way round this?
Have you tried this guide?
have you tried checking out envy? its an app for installing gfx drivers.
having said that, careful uninstalling with it. it trashed my system for me again last night.
however i had the live cd so im gonna be installing feisty tonight.
Matt
Is it working with P965 boards with E6xxx processors yet? Damn thing keeps spewing out miscellaneous problems on my Gigabyte DS3. I tried the nightly build from the 15th but it was still cursed, something about not being able to find the folder for tangerine (the default theme). It then offers me the chance to change it but is ghosted and all options reset in an endless loop.
Theyve got a long way to go before this gets mainstream. 2 days and I still havent been able to solve niggling problems. Now X is f**ked, all bars to move/close windows are absent and my terminal is a big white box, meaning i have to guess if im typing the right stuff and anticipate whether its gonna ask for passwords etc :S
Right, I reformatted. And then had a whole bunch more problems, resulting in me breaking X a further few times before I realised that nvidia-settings was a useless POS that completely overwrites xorg.conf and generates "best guess" values for all the non-graphics related bits.
So I spent about 3 hours farking around in command line and editing xorg.conf, and I think Ive now cracked it.
Result: all mouse buttons now fully functional in ff and nautilus, proper dual monitor support without it screwing me over and missing edges off, and full CPU fan pwm control. Also stuck on all the relevent restricted bits for multimedia playback.
Still to do: get flash player to work (64bit :(), try and figure out why the funky desktop effects dont work any more (although I think this is because Im running 2 x servers instead of the cop-out twinview bollocks). Also would like to know why ubuntu lies (and is generally sh*t with) refresh rates in the screen resolution dialog box, once youve set them manually in xorg.conf.
Pretty steep fricking learning curve, I think theres a long way to go before linux can be marketed as user-friendly to people with non-standard systems.
:roll:
Once again ya dont get it. Ubuntu isnt in some sort of competition to win anything. And again you blame "Linux". Wha? Linux is the kernel. Ubuntu is not Linux.
Ive only had to pop open Nano once to fix X and Ive been running the bleeding edge developmental versions on both my desktop and lappie for the past year.
Shame things were sucky for you, but installation was a breeze for the vast majority of users. A lot of us just dist-upgraded and were done with it.
Also, does Nvidia own Ubuntu now? What ever happened to blaming the driver writer. :shrug:
If an NGK sparkplug cracks due to bad manufacturing, do you blame the Toyota it was installed in?
Now thats an unpredictable response.
Feisty is being touted as desktop linux done proper for the average joe, which is fair enough. It probably is. I say linux because if this is the most user-friendly and widely acceptable distro out there, theyve still got a way to go IMO. What I said was its certainly non-trivial to get things ticking smoothly if you have a non-standard machine like I do. Dual monitors with different resolutions didnt play nice, and whilst I know that is largely nvidias fault, there nevertheless was a lot of strange behaviour on the ubuntu side (search the ubuntu forums for refresh, youll find about 20 threads from people with exactly the same problem I had, ubuntu locks you to 50Hz).
Mouse buttons: left click, right click and scroll worked out of the box. What about forward and backwards, and the rest of the buttons? Nothing complex in terms of code needed to set it up, so why hasnt the community included support for automatically generating and updating that section of xorg.conf instead of leaving the user to guess at values?
With software development, by and large the rule is to not ignore the minority, be that the complete novice or the slightly computer-savvy tinkerer. With ubuntu it seems thats exactly what theyve done; itll do you just fine if all you want to do is word process and surf the web, and similarly it will be great if youre some kind of elite kernel hacker who rips it apart and recustomises every aspect. But if youre somewhere in the middle, new to linux and after a few features youve come to expect from windows, youre sh*t outta luck without spending a few hours searching wikis and message boards to find which file you have to manually edit. Theyve got to be losing users that way; some people (and I only just fall outside of this line) cant see why the open sauce ideal is worth the hours it takes to get it to the state theyre after.
[edit] and why the f**k do both my desktops randomly stop accepting mouse input and gradually fade to black while Im typing away before suddenly coming back to life?
Lol, no idea. I cant get mine to stop blanking the damn display after x minutes, theres no option to turn the bloody thing off. Matters should improve for me later today, Ive got a 7600gt arriving, the 6800gx it replaces will then come down into this machine. ATIs drivers are a complete nightmare so Ill be looking forward to getting an Nvidia card in there :)
Ill probably be best off reformatting too. Also agree with the comments about forward and back mouse configuration, I mean, that should be the stuff of default by now, surely?
Quote from: maximusotterIf an NGK sparkplug cracks due to bad manufacturing, do you blame the Toyota it was installed in?
Yep, because Toyota chose to install that brand. 8)
But seriously Ill be having my try linux once every three years to see if its got better thing soon, will be asking many questions here Im sure.
*edit - Just downloading Ubuntu Live CD now.
You say Ubuntu is good for experts and complete noobs, but no-one in between. Ill say this is fair, but not long ago I wouldnt have even thought about letting a casual computer user near linux. So the fact that they can now use it (at least to some extent) has to be a step forwards. You cant fix everything at once, but its clear to see that progress is being made. Wait another couple of releases and it might just be that some of the things youre complaining about are fixed.
Some recent big steps forwards:
Many more wireless network cards work out of the box
ATI drivers being installable and working (for simple setups) in about 3 clicks through synaptic
Much easier installation of media codecs (asked if you want to install them eg when you try to open an mp3)
Working NTFS support despite MS keeping it completely closed spec
Dont get me wrong, I still think its great and its come on leaps and bounds since I used Hoary. NTFS out of the box was a massive surprise, as was the inclusion of a restricted module section that automatically chose 3rd party drivers for GFX. These are all great things.
But the mouse buttons thing seems to be laziness - all my KB media buttons work, why not write a gui utility that will let you bind mouse buttons?!
And as for the screens blanking, it seems that if one of the X desktops gets no input for 10 mins, it brings down the shutters on all of them. I imagine theres a way I can get round it, but tbh the visual subsystem of ubuntu needs a lot of work.
Another thing: during install it gave me the option to import settings such as firefox settings from my XP installation. I did it twice and it seemed to not actually have an effect. Nevermind, all copied over manually now.
Im still using it though, havent booted into windows all day. I expected the included rhythmbox software to be pants, but Im finding features in it that I prefer to winamp, so Im in no hurry to change that. Its snappy and easy on the eye, I just wish that someone would hurry up and fix the issue that prevents desktop effects from running properly with dual X windows :cry:
Feisty installed decent fglrx drivers out of the bag for me, but i still cant get twin monitors running and theyre the same damn monitor so the same res.
i dont think it is all that great for linux noobs, how many of your family members would you give gparted to? then again, i wouldnt trust all of the people i know to install windows either. in terms of use though, its alright.
Matt
Quote from: bytejunkieFeisty installed decent fglrx drivers out of the bag for me, but i still cant get twin monitors running and theyre the same damn monitor so the same res.
i dont think it is all that great for linux noobs, how many of your family members would you give gparted to? then again, i wouldnt trust all of the people i know to install windows either. in terms of use though, its alright.
Matt
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=162363&highlight=ati+dual+monitorMight be worth a look
Also useful: http://www.ozlabs.org/~jk/docs/mergefb/
I got rid of dual monitors in the end. Seperate X windows means you cant drag a window from one monitor to the next, which meant I didnt really use one of the screens.
But Beryl, my god its fricking amazing. Had to do a fair bit of xorg.conf mucking about to get it to work, but its soooooooo worth it.
Im running Fiesty Fawn KDE at the moment :) All is working fine now. Took a while to config certain things.
You can do dualscreen with beryl, you just have to do it in a special way thats not 2 separate x-screens. You use 1(really wide) screen and enable Xinerama. That tells windows not to appear dead in the centre when they want to, so you dont get them exactly on the join between screens. Ill see if I cant dig up the method I used last time.
If you use one really wide screen and your monitors are of different resolutions, does the smaller monitor miss off some of the top and bottom of the desktop aread, or does it resize it? When I was using twinview my smaller 17" only showed the centre of the right-hand half of the desktop area. Really annoying, hence why i was running 2 seperate instances of X.