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Title: Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on January 22, 2008, 12:47:18 PM
 :w00t:

My current rig is copping out more frequently, is slow, and Ive had more than enough of it.

Im happy to build my own system, so I want monsterous performance but also I want it to be quiet, if this is possible in this day and age! Im not interested in overclocking any more, so Id rather pay more and get faster to begin with, i.e a daddy of processors.

Im thinking quad core, 4gb ram, raid 5 (are Raptor drives still the daddies?), tons of usb 2.0, not bothered about wifi. E-sata would be nice for my external drive.

Im not a mega gamer these days but it would be nice to play the latest games again, so nothing bleeding edge necessarily but a tidy graphics card will do. If it supports HD decoding/playback and excellent 2D quality those are the priorities for work.

Ive got a Hiper Type R modular 580W I bought a year or so ago, this will be good enough for my new rig right?

Im not being tight so a good, reliable premium motherboard too, no budget nonsense. Oh and a tidy, quiet case, Antec P180s were v. good, is there better choices?

Cheers guys. Ill be putting a potential spec together when I get home...
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Pete on January 22, 2008, 13:14:40 PM
Might I suggest the Clockd 0Ne Monsterous Awesome T50,000,000XTRS-GT4R Turbo Daddy System:


From Crucial:
£350 - Crucial 4GB DDR3 kit (8GB may be better @ £700)

From ebugger:
£680 - C2D Extreme X6800
£275 - 2x 150gb Raptors
£225 - 1x 1TB WD Caviar
£175 - Asus P5E3 Duluxe
£180 - ECS 8800GT 512mb
£215 - Antec P190 BlaCK sUPERCASE with DUAL P-P-P-PSUs!! (why take chances?)
£5 - USB hub
£40 - whatever quiet cooling solutions
£680 - Samsung SM244T 24" TFT
£245 - Creative Labs Gigaworks S750 7.1-THX

(Assuming you got stuff like dvdrw, soundcard, tvcard, mouse etc so you can save a few bob there).

£3,070inc VAT
Title: Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Eggtastico on January 22, 2008, 13:19:05 PM
Quote from: Clockd 0Ne:w00t:

My current rig is copping out more frequently, is slow, and Ive had more than enough of it.

Im happy to build my own system, so I want monsterous performance but also I want it to be quiet, if this is possible in this day and age! Im not interested in overclocking any more, so Id rather pay more and get faster to begin with, i.e a daddy of processors.

QuoteIm thinking quad core, 4gb ram, raid 5 (are Raptor drives still the daddies?), tons of usb 2.0, not bothered about wifi. E-sata would be nice for my external drive.

Im not a mega gamer these days but it would be nice to play the latest games again, so nothing bleeding edge necessarily but a tidy graphics card will do. If it supports HD decoding/playback and excellent 2D quality those are the priorities for work.

Ive got a Hiper Type R modular 580W I bought a year or so ago, this will be good enough for my new rig right?

Im not being tight so a good, reliable premium motherboard too, no budget nonsense. Oh and a tidy, quiet case, Antec P180s were v. good, is there better choices?

Cheers guys. Ill be putting a potential spec together when I get home...

Why? Just get somthing 1/2 decent, plenty of ram & a decent Video Card.

Put what you save towards a ne hair dressers car.
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: mrt on January 22, 2008, 13:35:53 PM
I was going to say ... you cannot own a PC worth more than your car?  or can you?   -)
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on January 22, 2008, 14:11:55 PM
Sans a few bits that looks par for the course actually:

£680 for a CPU? Surely there is better value on them than that, seems excessive for probably marginal performance differences I would have thought...

Quote from: sdpMight I suggest the Clockd 0Ne Monsterous Awesome T50,000,000XTRS-GT4R Turbo Daddy System (this is going on a sticker):


From Crucial:
£350 - Crucial 4GB DDR3 kit (8GB may be better @ £700)

From ebugger:
£680 - C2D Extreme X6800
£275 - 2x 150gb Raptors -- good thinking, maybe 3 or four?
£175 - Asus P5E3 Duluxe
£180 - ECS 8800GT 512mb -- good value!
£215 - Antec P190 BlaCK sUPERCASE with DUAL P-P-P-PSUs!! (why take chances?) -- what does dual PSUs do, will my computer power the oven too for in bedroom baking?
£40 - whatever quiet cooling solutions

(Assuming you got stuff like dvdrw, soundcard, tvcard, mouse etc so you can save a few bob there).


Now down to a princely £2k inc VAT or thereabouts.

I was thinking more around the 1k mark tbh... whats the likelihood of a couple years future proofing on a spec like these?
Title: Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on January 22, 2008, 14:12:50 PM
Quote from: EggtasticoWhy? Just get somthing 1/2 decent, plenty of ram & a decent Video Card.

Put what you save towards a ne hair dressers car.

My blow dryer works fine, I wont be getting a new one for a few years when I can afford the insurance on something with a hundred or so more bhp.


My hifi is worth more than my car mrt :lol:

Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Pete on January 22, 2008, 14:25:30 PM
Quote from: Clockd 0NeSans a few bits that looks par for the course actually:

£680 for a CPU? Surely there is better value on them than that, seems excessive for probably marginal performance differences I would have thought...
But its Extreme! A more modest buy would be the Q6600 at £150 or so.

TBH
Q6600 + 4GB DDR2 + 8800GT + whatever mobo + whatever hdds would do nicely.

Quote from: sdpMight I suggest the Clockd 0Ne Monsterous Awesome T50,000,000XTRS-GT4R Turbo Daddy System (this is going on a sticker):
As long as theres a Brought to you in association with sdp Enterprises footnote.

From Crucial:
£350 - Crucial 4GB DDR3 kit (8GB may be better @ £700)
Stick with DDR2

From ebugger:
£680 - C2D Extreme X6800
£275 - 2x 150gb Raptors -- good thinking, maybe 3 or four?
No, thats just silly.
£175 - Asus P5E3 Duluxe
Get a DDR2 board instead.
£180 - ECS 8800GT 512mb -- good value!
edit: the inno3d one is £160.
£215 - Antec P190 BlaCK sUPERCASE with DUAL P-P-P-PSUs!! (why take chances?) -- what does dual PSUs do, will my computer power the oven too for in bedroom baking?
Antec case = yes. Dual PSU = lol
£40 - whatever quiet cooling solutions

(Assuming you got stuff like dvdrw, soundcard, tvcard, mouse etc so you can save a few bob there).


Now down to a princely £2k inc VAT or thereabouts.

I was thinking more around the 1k mark tbh... whats the likelihood of a couple years future proofing on a spec like these?
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: soopahfly on January 22, 2008, 18:14:23 PM
Upgrade Kit (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.aspx?sku=339002)
    * 330169 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz Socket LGA775, 8MB, BOXED w/fan
    * 327953 - Asus Striker Extreme, nForce-680i SLI, Socket-775, 2xGbLAN, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex16  10 USBS!
    * 339125 - A-DATA DDR2 PC6400 4096MB CL5 Kit w/two matched DDR2 800 2048MB CL5
    * 317429 - Antistatic Wrist band Blue including ground cord (info)
£382.00
Case (http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/ultragrade/ac-3x0)
£84.99
Silent Cooler (http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/intelcooling/tr-hr-01-plus)
£29.37
Silent GFX Card 8800GT (http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/ultragrade/msi-nx8800gt-zilent)
£175.00
Samsung Spinpoint 500gb HDD (http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/ultragrade/t-series-hdd)
£66.99
Silent SATA DVD Burner (http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/components/samsung-writemaster-sata)

£738.35

Add yourself a pimp fan controller, and another 120mm fan and there.  I dont think Ive forgotten anything.
Will be pretty much silent.  Take a slight performance knock for the HDDs, so you can have silence. Raptors are too noisy imo, stick with the Spinpoints, awesome HDDs,  Been running them in my Xbox media centre for years and cant hear them :D  Add more HDDs as required.

One of these too :D
http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/components/oneclicks  £28.99

QuoteTo use the OneClick 8-way Intelligent Mains Panel, plug your PC into the grey "Master socket", and up to seven (panel) other items into the remaining outlets. When you switch your PC on, the OneClick will detect the change in power being drawn by the PC and automatically switch on all the other items within three seconds. And when you turn your PC off, it turns all the other items off too! Clever eh?
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Eggtastico on January 22, 2008, 19:00:48 PM
Quote from: soopahflyUpgrade Kit
    * 330169 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz Socket LGA775, 8MB, BOXED w/fan
    * 327953 - Asus Striker Extreme, nForce-680i SLI, Socket-775, 2xGbLAN, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex16  10 USBS!
    * 339125 - A-DATA DDR2 PC6400 4096MB CL5 Kit w/two matched DDR2 800 2048MB CL5
    * 317429 - Antistatic Wrist band Blue including ground cord (info)
£382.00
Case
£84.99
Silent Cooler
£29.37
Silent GFX Card 8800GT
£175.00
Samsung Spinpoint 500gb HDD
£66.99
Silent SATA DVD Burner

£738.35

Add yourself a pimp fan controller, and another 120mm fan and there.  I dont think Ive forgotten anything.
Will be pretty much silent.  Take a slight performance knock for the HDDs, so you can have silence. Raptors are too noisy imo, stick with the Spinpoints, awesome HDDs,  Been running them in my Xbox media centre for years and cant hear them :D  Add more HDDs as required.

One of these too :D
http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/components/oneclicks  £28.99

QuoteTo use the OneClick 8-way Intelligent Mains Panel, plug your PC into the grey "Master socket", and up to seven (panel) other items into the remaining outlets. When you switch your PC on, the OneClick will detect the change in power being drawn by the PC and automatically switch on all the other items within three seconds. And when you turn your PC off, it turns all the other items off too! Clever eh?

Glad you dont build PCs

He asked for monsterous performance & you opt for CL5 Ram &  a Samsung HDD
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: soopahfly on January 22, 2008, 19:21:18 PM
No point in raptors you never get the advertised performance anyway., and with todays hardware I doubt he will notice a jot of difference with the ram latency.
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Beaker on January 22, 2008, 19:28:42 PM
Quote from: Clockd 0NeI was thinking more around the 1k mark tbh... whats the likelihood of a couple years future proofing on a spec like these?
If you go Intel little to no chance of upgrading in the CPU in future.  Intel have already said that the next-gen CPUs wont be compatible with the present crop of chipsets.  So if you go Intel youll probably be best off buying the absolute most powerful CPU you can get your hands on, and just using it until it dies.  
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: addictweb on January 22, 2008, 19:53:34 PM
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.40GHz) Processor (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131823)   £151.99
    - Probably the best price/performance of the Quad cores
Coolermaster RC-1000 Cosmos Silent Case (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132077)   £119.75
    - I like this case a lot, but personal preference

(http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/Case/Cooler%20Master%20Cosmos/rc-1000_003.jpg)

4 xWD Raptor X 150GB SATA Harddrives (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/110777)   £531.15
    - If a man wants raptors he should have raptors! (Does add quite a bit to the pricetag tho!)

(http://geizhals.at/img/pix/182368.jpg)(http://geizhals.at/img/pix/182368.jpg)(http://geizhals.at/img/pix/182368.jpg)(http://geizhals.at/img/pix/182368.jpg)

Kingston 4gb Kit (2x2gb) Ddr2 800mhz/pc2-6400 Memory (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/133709)   £187.05
    - Yes its CL5 but most big chips nowadays

(http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P0133709_C0000003_P0000000.jpg)

Asus STRIKER EXTREME 680I Mobo (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/126240)    £163.88
    - Good brand with eSATA

(http://www.pctronix.co.nz/images/striker1.jpg)

ASUS EN8600GT SILENT 512MB GDDR3 HTDP Dual DVI HDCP HDTV out PCI-E Graphics Card (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132310)  £82.04
    - Functional GFX card, HD output etc

(http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/P0132310_C0000215_P0000000.jpg)

Total £1235.86 without the same old stuff - do you need a monitor?
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Pete on January 22, 2008, 20:01:56 PM
^, see thats a 5 star post.


Id take the 8800gt and drop 2 raptors personally tho :P
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on January 22, 2008, 20:26:17 PM
You guys are rockin my world, Im loving the suggestions so far. Nath that Acousticase looks great, right on the money. The Coolermaster looks okay but I dont like the extra ports being on top, my case sits on my desk.

Q6600 seems to be the way to go, top graphics card choices.

Im still undecided about Raptor vs regular HDDs. Im definitely doing a RAID, so maybe the raptors are overkill? Could do with the experienced users opinion here.

Good stuff guys, keep it coming  :ptu:
Title: Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: red on January 23, 2008, 09:16:44 AM
I would reccomend an asus board, also be careful what hsf you get because some of the heatpiping could get in the way,

also, MINDf**k!!

(http://711chan.org/b/src/120101369460.jpg)
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Beaker on January 23, 2008, 17:59:55 PM
Quote from: Clockd 0NeIm still undecided about Raptor vs regular HDDs. Im definitely doing a RAID, so maybe the raptors are overkill? Could do with the experienced users opinion here.
i remember reading an article where someone benched Raptors up against standard HDDs.  In single drive they where the fastest (Though the SATA300 drives where so close it didnt seem worth the cost of the Raptor), but in RAID the SATA300 drives left the Raptors for dead.  
Title: Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: knighty on January 23, 2008, 23:43:22 PM
yeag, get 4 nice quiet drives and raid them up... once youve got 4 of them the bottle neck wont be the drives anymore...

raptors are way too noisy for me !
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on January 23, 2008, 23:46:55 PM
Cheers guys. Ill go with that plan then (it will save a lot of wasted money too).

I do want awesome performance but gone are the days where I would tolerate a 60mm delta screamer whining away like a vacuum... so Ill take quiet overall this time :)

Any other HDD recommendations, based on quietness, platter size/speed? Do the 32Mb cache drives help?
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: Liam on January 24, 2008, 08:54:20 AM
Yeah i would recommened getting some of those Samsung SpinPoint hard drives as they really are quiet as i own a 320GB one, they are brilliant :D

Liam
Title: Re:Upgrade time again! Oh noes! Advice please
Post by: soopahfly on January 24, 2008, 17:17:58 PM
If your after silence, then spinpoints, everything else is just too noisy for me now, I hate my WDs in my rig. Too Loud and too hot.