QuoteIn a report looking at the impact Vista would have on video and audio playback, he described Vistas Content Protection specification as "the longest suicide note in history".
He said Vista was "broken by design" and intentionally crippled the way it displayed video.
"The sheer obnoxiousness of Vistas content protection may end up being the biggest incentive to piracy yet created," he wrote.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6286245.stm
So if you want hi definition goodness and have good but older equipment - dont upgrade...
In fairness it isnt microsoft crippling the vid out put, but the people publishing the hd material. Its just a feature that vista supports.
Time to install a *NIX folks for your video needs, or at least keep a copy of XP on the disk if you want to watch your movies at decent quality. I can see this being a case of you all download one file, then paythe licence for it to be played back at the quality you need.
Personally its only to do with HDCP. So can imagine it only affecting HD-DVD or Bluray disks. So if you dont have HDMI or a monitor that supports HDCP then tough titties paramount/warner bros/any other movie company out there, wont want you able to access the higher content.
Its not a microsoft issue, they just support it. Serious is effectively blaming people who support DRM (which is a market need if they wish to remain viable) as the ones who use it.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adPersonally its only to do with HDCP. So can imagine it only affecting HD-DVD or Bluray disks. So if you dont have HDMI or a monitor that supports HDCP then tough titties paramount/warner bros/any other movie company out there, wont want you able to access the higher content.
Its not a microsoft issue, they just support it. Serious is effectively blaming people who support DRM (which is a market need if they wish to remain viable) as the ones who use it.
HD has been hacked already to force playback :-D
the problem is they designed the system with no thought for the consumer, they did it totally for their own goals... and seeing how problematic hdcp is already with devices not working together they are going to have alot of angry customers.
Especially as almost every company making screens out there has been slapping "HD ready" badges on everything when only a very tiny amount of them have hdcp
MS isnt the only one at blame, but they are working with the rest of them.
If they wasnt to annoy the consumer they are on the right path.
Top Ten reasons not to get Vista (http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista)... yet.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adIts not a microsoft issue, they just support it. Serious is effectively blaming people who support DRM (which is a market need if they wish to remain viable) as the ones who use it.
It isnt directly a M$ issue, but they support it to the hilt. The disks can be copied through other means, even if its going to mean people modding their drives, altering the software or writing their own.
All it will do is slow the issue down a little and in the meantime the people who paid for it may be getting less than they thought. In the long term are you going to buy an original or an offer of a pirate disk without this issue?
True... except its the millions of other people that it makes it "just a little too much".
My parents may be tempted to purchase pirated movies.. on the street. But they certainly will not be doing firmware mods, or software cracking in order to play them.
Much like MP3s... DRM is a pain in the ass, but it stops the millions of people who would cross the line if it wasnt there.
Quote from: SeriousIt isnt directly a M$ issue, but they support it to the hilt.
So what do you suggest they do exactly? If they dont support the DRM methods for the various High Def movie formats, people wont be able to play the high def films on their computers (and people do, I remember when DVD-ROM drives first appeared and people tried to play movies on their PCs which either werent powerful enough for software DVD playback or didnt have decoder cards... oh the complaints...).
If they allow playback of a protected film on a unprotected device they get sued by all the movie studios and either get forced to take the feature out or put protection support in.
Or they acheive the best compromise possible, enable support for HDCP and other protection methods in the OS and everyone apart from the pirates is happy. Its the same with standalone players too, assuming youre trying to play a protected disc, if your display device doesnt support HDCP, you cant view the film in all its glory, it either doesnt display or gets downscaled.
I dont like DRM any more than anyone else but tbh youve got to be pragmatic about it. Restricted content is here whether we like it or not. If you want to play it, youve got to use a system which supports it. Its not as if Vista will go through your AVI/MP3/XVID/porn collection, detect whether its legal or not and prevent you from playing it if it isnt. If the content is unprotected, it wont do anything to it.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adTrue... except its the millions of other people that it makes it "just a little too much".
My parents may be tempted to purchase pirated movies.. on the street. But they certainly will not be doing firmware mods, or software cracking in order to play them.
Much like MP3s... DRM is a pain in the ass, but it stops the millions of people who would cross the line if it wasnt there.
They dont have to, all they have to do is wait for someone else to do it, then they can buy the nice little mod and shove it in, if they wanted to do that.
Thing is there are plenty of people buying Pirated now, this will only push that up.
Quote from: NorphyQuote from: SeriousIt isnt directly a M$ issue, but they support it to the hilt.
So what do you suggest they do exactly? If they dont support the DRM methods for the various High Def movie formats, people wont be able to play the high def films on their computers (and people do, I remember when DVD-ROM drives first appeared and people tried to play movies on their PCs which either werent powerful enough for software DVD playback or didnt have decoder cards... oh the complaints...).
I will let you into a little secret, most of the PCs out there
will not be able to play HD movies without an upgrade and I dont just mean the drive being changed either. Either the whole computer will have to be upgraded or a graphics card pushed in that can handle the relatively immense data processing required. Just like they did for DVDs.
Source: PCW magazine.
Serious, I know that. To play protected high def content, you need an HDCP compliant graphics card and an HDCP compliant display. Having hardware acceleration built into the graphics card to help accelerate the video (which most modern ones do these days) will help too.
But that said (look I can do bold as well) Its the same for standalone players too. If youve bought an HDTV which doesnt support HDCP youll be completely out of luck.
Even without that they just dont have enough power. It takes a lot of cycles to process the video.
So your complaint has nothing to do with microsoft just that computers cant cope in general with displaying HDTV.
Dont know what planet your on, but I am pretty sure todays graphics cards (as a graphics card will be doing the processing of video here... not the CPU). are perfectly capable of displaying HDTV content (despite the lack of support for HDCP, thus not supporting protected HDTV content).
This is not a microsoft problem.
Quotewill let you into a little secret, most of the PCs out there will not be able to play HD movies without an upgrade and I dont just mean the drive being changed either. Either the whole computer will have to be upgraded or a graphics card pushed in that can handle the relatively immense data processing required. Just like they did for DVDs.
A graphics card released in the last year or so can cope with HDTV content. I am pretty sure Ive seen HDTV samples played on a PDA. Laggy on that... but yeah they displayed it.
The problem comes down to HDMI connections on the graphics card, noone has one yet, and DVI-HDMI doesnt support HDCP. Soooo they cant watch copy protected movies anyway.
Microsoft simply supporting HDCP in their media player doesnt mean jack, its just them providing a service that the publishers want. I think you would find more complaints were happening if people bought their new vista computer, and found they couldnt watch their new hd-dvd movies on it because it didnt support hdcp.