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I keep saying it more and more about vista and The rumour I mentioned before that there will be an xp of vista much like xp was to mellenium I really think there will be that or this "pro/gaming" or "performance" version which really has all the elements people like but the rest of the crap removed from vista and then them starting to slow down and pull the other versions.
End of year I bet you will here something along similar lines, really starting to believe that.
The rumours of the service pack are either it will be rushed out asap and beta is days away or it will not come till next year but either way if one is true another version or iteration of vista sounds very much on the cards.
erm, ME was an "improved" version of 98
xp was an "improved" version of 2000
i doubt there will be anything major, especially since the announcement of 7 the next version of windows within 3 years
The next release (think it might be codename Fiji), is more likely to be an MCE version of Vista.
Which should offer support for Pika, Microsoft development to allow devices to easily connect to MCE with an embedded chipset. MS hope to have DVD players, TVs, etc. all with Pika/MCE support.
Quote from: Sweenstererm, ME was an "improved" version of 98
xp was an "improved" version of 2000
i doubt there will be anything major, especially since the announcement of 7 the next version of windows within 3 years
ME was the test base for many of the features of xp in terms of the home user and of which many were canned or vastly re-worked, a lot of people in the industry call vista me 2
I mean there is a few features in terms of performance that are missing from vista, Like a lot of software like firefox 3 for example have a light database driven system and it was planned for vista and was testing fast in demos when over layed onto a xp platform but pulled so that did not help it.
Vista has a lot of nice interface improvements by a mile and some cool stuff but far to many negatives.
Quote from: neXusME was the test base for many of the features of xp in terms of the home user and of which many were canned or vastly re-worked, a lot of people in the industry call vista me 2
I mean there is a few features in terms of performance that are missing from vista, Like a lot of software like firefox 3 for example have a light database driven system and it was planned for vista and was testing fast in demos when over layed onto a xp platform but pulled so that did not help it.
Vista has a lot of nice interface improvements by a mile and some cool stuff but far to many negatives.
Have you used vista yet?
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: neXusME was the test base for many of the features of xp in terms of the home user and of which many were canned or vastly re-worked, a lot of people in the industry call vista me 2
I mean there is a few features in terms of performance that are missing from vista, Like a lot of software like firefox 3 for example have a light database driven system and it was planned for vista and was testing fast in demos when over layed onto a xp platform but pulled so that did not help it.
Vista has a lot of nice interface improvements by a mile and some cool stuff but far to many negatives.
Have you used vista yet?
yes, and since I agree with a lot of industry companies on the points, the fact that sli does not work properly etc and lots of other things, and the games I play preform worse under vista, its not great to get yet.
Lots of reports of people going back to vista, heck dell have had loads of computers returned and asked to have xp on instead and selling more xp then vista option packs.....
I can go on
People who buy Dells aint computer ethusiasts. They are probably the ones who use a computer at work & want a system to operate the same as that one.
Ive switched to Vista recently, I dont play any games on the PC as such anymore (though no problems with the ones ive tried) & I love all the bells & whistles it has over XP.
Industry companies complained when windows 98 came out.. the same again when w2k & XP came out, so its no suprise vista isnt like either, but comparing Vista to XP as ME was to 98 is laughable & the comparision must have been made by a halfwit whos barely started shaving.
Quote from: EggtasticoPeople who buy Dells aint computer ethusiasts. They are probably the ones who use a computer at work & want a system to operate the same as that one.
Ive switched to Vista recently, I dont play any games on the PC as such anymore (though no problems with the ones ive tried) & I love all the bells & whistles it has over XP.
Industry companies complained when windows 98 came out.. the same again when w2k & XP came out, so its no suprise vista isnt like either, but comparing Vista to XP as ME was to 98 is laughable & the comparision must have been made by a halfwit whos barely started shaving.
the bells and whistles are fine, its the rest of it that is the problem
To be fair, Vista does work, but large organisations wont move their systems to it because itll be too costly to upgrade all the older hardware at the same time. XP will run useably on a P3 700, and while they can still get parts for them they wont upgrade them.
Vistas fine tbh. It was like ME when it launched but its turned out more like XP and got better and better as time goes on. Im still using XP on most of my machines but Vista is better. In another hardware upgrade the speed loss will be negligible and itll take over just as XP did with Win2K and 98SE.
ME was an unsalvagable disaster. Vista isnt.
Quote from: EggtasticoPeople who buy Dells aint computer ethusiasts. They are probably the ones who use a computer at work & want a system to operate the same as that one.
The high end Dell workstations and laptops are very good these days - using one right now :)
After aquiring alienware and a couple of others theyre pretty much up there in terms of the best home built systems. Their laptops are pretty much untouchable.
Off topic I know but thought Id just mention it.
Well ms did fix the Sli issue which they quietly put out basically meaning it was vistas fault and not the graphics folk, lol
I still think a nice gaming edition with with some of the lessons earned is what the rumoured thing to be coming out next year, even if it names something and not directed at gaming it should be the well performing version.
I have vista on my dell Laptop and its fine.
Ive got a dell laptop from work and Im pretty happy with it (even though it did crash today for the first time)
as for vista - Ive not tried it yet but tbh.. almost any major bit of software is going to have bugs in it to start with - investing more money in testing just pushes up the costs and delays releases so companies do sometimes cut corners and development teams are often on tight deadlines
Quote from: SteveFME was an unsalvagable disaster. Vista isnt.
I didnt like XP much and vista is even worse. They are adding bells and whistles, but underneath its no better. Most will hardly use the additional features.
For people with legacy equipment it can still be a nightmare situation. The minimum system requirements are understated again too. Many upgrade only to be disappointed.
Quote from: SamI have vista on my dell Laptop and its fine.
About the only one that does not have exploding batteries? ^^
Off topic, I am quite excited in getting my mac book pro at end of year
Quote from: neXusOff topic, I am quite excited in getting my mac book pro at end of year
I hope to be sitting on the beach with an eee before Christmas. If they get them out before then.
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: neXusOff topic, I am quite excited in getting my mac book pro at end of year
I hope to be sitting on the beach with an eee before Christmas. If they get them out before then.
May not be this year but I will be on a beach which will be all of 5 mins from my house with my laptop probably still in range of my homes wifi within a couple of years, muahahaha
^^ i want one, but now im guna get an EEE when they arrive
its annoying, because i try to sell laptops and desktop PCs all day in work and I have to flog vista as a selling point...
so many people dont like it and go for a clearance laptop with XP still installed on it
If youre thinking about buying a MacBook Pro wait till they release they multi-touch screen version at the end of the year.
EEE?
Quote from: M3ta7h3adEEE?
an overdose on pills
hopfully :lol:
Acers comments are nothing more than headline grabbers, I cant remember the last time I read an article on Acer. Perhaps if they sold machines that met the minimum spec...
Nexus I becoming increasingly confused and less convinced with your critiicsm of Vista. All I see is unjust criticism and no actual problems.
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: EggtasticoPeople who buy Dells aint computer ethusiasts. They are probably the ones who use a computer at work & want a system to operate the same as that one.
The high end Dell workstations and laptops are very good these days - using one right now :)
After aquiring alienware and a couple of others theyre pretty much up there in terms of the best home built systems. Their laptops are pretty much untouchable.
Off topic I know but thought Id just mention it.
Agreed, I have recently been impressed with dell equipment, servers & laptops especially. The desktops are not bad.
Came across a Dell Lattitude D420, iirc, 1GHZ, 1GB, 11" Widescreen, blueetooth, wifi, 60GB hard disk. Fantastic bit of kit, Ive picked up paperbacks heavier than this thing and it is rock solid.
Quote from: NeXuSME was the test base for many of the features of xp in terms of the home user and of which many were canned or vastly re-worked, a lot of people in the industry call vista me 2
No it wasnt. They are not even related. ME was the last in the line of MS-DOS/9x series OS. XP is based on the NT familly. The main difference being ME cant join a domain. The only thing I would agree with their are features/functionality that may have been used in Home. There is no connection with the kernel of the OS.
Who is the industry?
the gay porn industry he is talking about.
Quote from: CypherNo it wasnt. They are not even related. ME was the last in the line of MS-DOS/9x series OS. XP is based on the NT familly. The main difference being ME cant join a domain. The only thing I would agree with their are features/functionality that may have been used in Home. There is no connection with the kernel of the OS.
Who is the industry?
ME just had dos locked down & system restrore points ;-D - thats how most people kill machines.
Any 1/2 decent store wouldnt put ME on as they could lose out on the easy money rebuilds :mrgreen:
QuoteAcers comments are nothing more than headline grabbers, I cant remember the last time I read an article on Acer. Perhaps if they sold machines that met the minimum spec...
Nexus I becoming increasingly confused and less convinced with your critiicsm of Vista. All I see is unjust criticism and no actual problems.
Well company after company echo similar comments and the fact that game developers moaning about it a lot, people have even bothered to make and crack dx10 games to work on xp and the actual fact elements in terms of compatibility, sli and crossfire, the average 20-30 fps drop on many games and the struggle of ms to sell vista
When this other version of the OS is announced in November I will feel justified then
This is what i mean by just criticsm. For each problem you may well bring up, ask your self Is it really microsofts fault or the industry not pulling its finger out.
This was one of the longest tested OSs ever iirc. You cant tell me that in the time it was out as Beta no one at Nvidia asked the question, what happens when I plug 2 cards in SLI in. Microsoft does not deserve criticism for that. I expect performance to increase with each patch/service pack myself.
As far it goes, Vista has done nothing but get thumbs up from me so far. The only reason I have an XP desktop at work undermy desk is something to fall back onto if I need to. That and there is not a Vista version of PC Anywhere yet.
Acer UK are a bunch of know nothing muppets TBH.
They took 4 months to repair a friends machine under warranty. All it was a forked HDD.
Maybe you should get a job with them, think youd fit right in there.
Quote from: CypherThis is what i mean by just criticsm. For each problem you may well bring up, ask your self Is it really microsofts fault or the industry not pulling its finger out.
Everyone accused ATI and Nvidia of not sorting their sli drivers and last week everyone had to basically apologise becuase it was a flaw in vista.
All the dx10 issues and perfomance has actually been put down to vista now and some of the flaws and features it has on/off or missing from earlier versions which ms are fixing now and in a patch at some point...
So yes while there are quite a few questions you got to ask hardware and software people about what they been doing in regard to vista or lack of, they are not entirely to blame since a lot of things from when it was longhorn to live have been changed, adjusted, broke, removed or missing that have caused drivers etc all to stop working when they worked in beta as well as other core aspects of the OS that really they pulled before it is finished.
It has been proven by the leading virus software folk etc to actually be less secure then xp, and even when I tested it wasting to many resources on to many naff features some of which you cant even turn off yet, ALL of which are in the SP1 in terms of changes making some off by default and others actually able to be turned off.
Quote from: EggtasticoAcer UK are a bunch of know nothing muppets TBH.
They took 4 months to repair a friends machine under warranty. All it was a forked HDD.
Maybe you should get a job with them, think youd fit right in there.
Dead lcd - IN 4 days it was back all fine, and their lcds are really top quality stuff, hence why we got a lcd tv for the back room from them, very nice quality, hd to boot for under £300.
I just want to make sure I understand what youre getting at Nexus...
Vista is bad/crap/rubbish because straight out of the box it didnt/doesnt support all of the hardware/software combinations that XP supports ?
Is that about what youre trying to say ?
Quote from: NimrodI just want to make sure I understand what youre getting at Nexus...
Vista is bad/crap/rubbish because straight out of the box it didnt/doesnt support all of the hardware/software combinations that XP supports ?
Is that about what youre trying to say ?
thats what hes read :mrgreen:
Quote from: EggtasticoQuote from: NimrodI just want to make sure I understand what youre getting at Nexus...
Vista is bad/crap/rubbish because straight out of the box it didnt/doesnt support all of the hardware/software combinations that XP supports ?
Is that about what youre trying to say ?
thats what hes read :mrgreen:
and once again your assumptions are a load of bollux, lol
Nimrod no that is not what I am saying, if it was you would come out with how xp was not to good on support and been around a bit with support now over time.
It is not what I am saying, Serious understands what i mean in terms of the core of the system which is the problem, if you go read about the SLI fix that occurred last week it is core elements that need addressing.
A lot of the issues are not just driver based at all, vista service pack will have some core changes (if the leaked notes are real) The beta is soon so you should see