Played this for 2 months back in 2004 with Dooms - cancelled due to realising how much time it required and I just didnt and dont have that kind of free time. Seems like it died off though - havent heard it mentioned for years. Quite enjoyed what little I played of it - thought it had a lot of potential.
Dooms - did you continue to play for long after I quit?
Sony tried to balance it by taking the scissors away, so you was left with just rock & paper.
Then they took the rock away & decided to let anyone who wanted to be a Jedi, to be a Jedi.
Pitty they f**ked up. The crafting side of the game is the best ive seen in any MMORPG.
No mob drops or boss loot will be better than anything crafted.
+ you had your own house, player cities, etc. Lot of ground breaking stuff in MMORPG,
sony just didnt know how to handle the fanboys, gave them what they wanted & broke the game.
The combat upgrade, as good as it was, killed off some subscribers (fortunately the leet template stacking crowd who want an "I Win" button). After a few months with the Combat upgrade subscriber numbers hit an all time high; the game was in its best state ever after the combat upgrade pass. Then, however, SOE decided to roll out the "NGE" (new game enhancements) which pretty much killed things off for good.
If you google for "new game enhancements" or "NGE" youll find a million and one articles about it however the gist of the whole thing was they removed the skilltree and changed it to nine "iconic, starwarsy(tm)" professions, including letting you pick jedi from the start and killing off popular professions for good. They also changed the game combat system so it was twitch based, and slimmed down the specials so you only have a very small choice as to different playstyles. Basically they changed the entire game from the ground up and pushed it out relatively unannounced.
I really loved SWG when i first started playing it, I was paying for 3 accounts at 1 stage lol
IMO the biggest mistake they made with it was having Jedis as playable characters, if they had just left it with the original classes, rather than giving in to the kids screaming "I want a Jedi!!!" and built content around that, the game would have lasted a lot longer and been better for it, I didnt want to be a Jedi and I know a lot of my friends didnt start to play the game to be one.
I got bored though due to lack of things to do in the end, I was in the game for PVE mainly and as said the crafting and having your own house were great, but that didnt make up for the lack of high end PVE content to me, I could solo near enough anything in game which was really a big mistake they should have picked up on that far sooner.
Really was a shame they screwed it up because the concept of the game at the start really excited me and was the best I had seen back then or since, WoW is a far better game tbh but it never got my blood pumping like SWG did at times.
Quote from: ShaunI really loved SWG when i first started playing it, I was paying for 3 accounts at 1 stage lol
IMO the biggest mistake they made with it was having Jedis as playable characters, if they had just left it with the original classes, rather than giving in to the kids screaming "I want a Jedi!!!" and built content around that, the game would have lasted a lot longer and been better for it, I didnt want to be a Jedi and I know a lot of my friends didnt start to play the game to be one.
I got bored though due to lack of things to do in the end, I was in the game for PVE mainly and as said the crafting and having your own house were great, but that didnt make up for the lack of high end PVE content to me, I could solo near enough anything in game which was really a big mistake they should have picked up on that far sooner.
Really was a shame they screwed it up because the concept of the game at the start really excited me and was the best I had seen back then or since, WoW is a far better game tbh but it never got my blood pumping like SWG did at times.
If only WoW had the crafting that SWG had, or SWG had the battlegrounds & Instances that WoW has.
Biggest gripe about WoW is its crafting & lack of it. 2 in 3 warlocks, mages & Priests are Tailors, because they have to be to wear FrozenShadoweave.
Those who arent, are either into T6 & will prob. have to re-learn Tailoring when the new addon comes out - as I bet my left nut therell be recipes req. Tailoring to wear the item
or they havent grasped that theres Tailoring stuff on par with T4/T5 stuff & its not all about Badges & instance drops.
The only problem with WoW is the people who play WoW. Ive tried to get into it so many times but just cant cope with the community. Sure, EQII and SWG had their fair share of asshats but WoW just seems to have far more than any other MMO.
Add Age of Conan to the list of Asshat communities..
Miss Swg was a great game before they messed it up, nothing like going out on the Bounty Hunter looking for Bounties :D
And visiting all the Player shops in their houses and businesses :D
I spent weeks and weeks just flying around different player cities, buying stuff off their merchants, oh i miss those days :D
I loved Galaxies so much when it came out, played it till patch 7? (just before they added hair salons outside cantinas).
The crafting system was so awesome and the differences in weapon qualitys so everything was different for everyone, it was complex but it was worth learning!
Only MMO Ive ever played that you could happily spend all your time in the game playing a non-combat player.
The class system was something new aswell, why choose a class and stick to it? The ability to wack points where you wanted to make your own uber / hybrid / all over the shop class was great.
I tried it a few months ago and wanted to cry, its just the same as every other mmo now. Pick a class, max its level, everyone using same weapons and skills :(
I cant remember what patch we were on when i started playing SWG, i think it was around Feb 05 and i carried on until the NGE first hit when i quit for 3 months.
I went back for a few months and just became bored with it.
Feb05 was post CU if i remember, was still worthy of playing then, was right after Jump to Lightspeed, you might have even got that as the bundle, SWG and JTL, think it came with a Special Speeder bike :D
Quote from: adam2975I cant remember what patch we were on when i started playing SWG, i think it was around Feb 05 and i carried on until the NGE first hit when i quit for 3 months.
I went back for a few months and just became bored with it.
It was well before then dude, SWG came out on 7/10/03 the game hadn't been out that long when I started playing (3 or 4 month's) and you started before me.
I remember because you give me some credits to buy a speeder :)
bloody hell your right, i just checked and i made my first payment on 09/03/04 so it must have been Feb 04 as you got 30 days free.
twas the golden age for me pre cu, TKM/Master Swordsman, no doc buffs, no armour just a stat migrate to mind and some vas brandy oh and the acklay hammer!
Quote from: ShaunQuote from: adam2975I cant remember what patch we were on when i started playing SWG, i think it was around Feb 05 and i carried on until the NGE first hit when i quit for 3 months.
I went back for a few months and just became bored with it.
It was well before then dude, SWG came out on 7/10/03 the game hadn't been out that long when I started playing (3 or 4 month's) and you started before me.
I remember because you give me some credits to buy a speeder :)
depends on where you got the game from;... I remember when there was no cities.. no speeder bikes & the farming machines didnt actually use up power
Quote from: ShaunIt was well before then dude, SWG came out on 7/10/03 the game hadn't been out that long when I started playing (3 or 4 month's) and you started before me.
I remember because you give me some credits to buy a speeder :)
Wow was it really that long ago? I was playing for alot longer than I thought :P I got a couple days before release (was working at Gamestation at the time, Rivkid can tell you how excited I was) and stopped playing soon after JTL came out
I played for a while and loved it, remember the auto-macro scripts to get master on weapons stupidly quickly! :)
KOTOR MMO 2009 - will rule the world
If it ever comes out
Quote from: DoomsQuote from: ShaunIt was well before then dude, SWG came out on 7/10/03 the game hadn't been out that long when I started playing (3 or 4 month's) and you started before me.
I remember because you give me some credits to buy a speeder :)
Wow was it really that long ago? I was playing for alot longer than I thought :P I got a couple days before release (was working at Gamestation at the time, Rivkid can tell you how excited I was) and stopped playing soon after JTL came out
If it came out 10/03 and me and you def got it 2/3 days pre release how come my statements were for jan/feb 04? Confused!!
the release date was June 2003 (US) & the UK/Europe release was about 3months later & the first Jedi 2months later (US)
Problem started with Perma Death, nobody would use their Jedi (they was very underpowered from the start, you affectively had zero skills & could only level
up on the over-populated starter worlds), then they took Perma-Death away & everyone cried to many jedi - that along with the Bounty Hunter bugs.
They should have made your character become a Jedi, instead of making you start from scratch.
Not sure about the new one either... Jedi was affectively the galaxy Police. Not sure how its going to work & may fall on the same sword that SWG fell on...
that being to many jedi
Quote from: Eggtasticothe release date was June 2003 (US) & the UK/Europe release was about 3months later & the first Jedi 2months later (US)
Problem started with Perma Death, nobody would use their Jedi (they was very underpowered from the start, you affectively had zero skills & could only level
up on the over-populated starter worlds), then they took Perma-Death away & everyone cried to many jedi - that along with the Bounty Hunter bugs.
They should have made your character become a Jedi, instead of making you start from scratch.
Not sure about the new one either... Jedi was affectively the galaxy Police. Not sure how its going to work & may fall on the same sword that SWG fell on...
that being to many jedi
SWG I think had the bigger potential then even wow.
It had the concept, it had the lore it had a good game engine tbh and good concepts but it had a problem with the jedi as more unlocked it, it was a good concept but naturally had some flaws in how it work. Things like gear breaking was naff but the biggest problem is the developers were slow to do things, slow with content, did not have a clue in terms of content to offer like raiding etc and were terrable communicating and working with the comunity. Game breaking bugs were not fixed till the next months patch.
A lot of the content was generated by the players and the first true instance in my opinion which was the ship you went up on was just insanely bugged and never properly fixed. I mean you went up saw lots of corridors ran around like a nutter for a bit being shot by androids walking through walls and hitting you for insane damage.
KOTOR MMO is going to happen and because it will be set in a time where Jedi and Sith were around more and taking what they learnt from the RPGs and Lucasarts from what SOE did with SWG this has a massive potential.
I really hope they take what they know from KOTOR and Bioshock, What Makes Wow good in terms of raids etc and Take the good elements of SWG - I mean the space element they did add was very good for example and I think taking all the good from that and the others mentioned you have a very good game on your hands
You know its a shame that since SWG ive blacklisted SOE, vowing never to sign up for any SOE game ever again.
The bugs etc you can live with, the game was so much fun, even solo play as a Bounty Hunter was excellent, i loved it so much and the trading aspects, your never limited to products to sell /merchant on the auction and to other players, and houses and furniture i still get excited now thinking about how good it all was.
But SOE, they were just a nightmare, sorting issues seemed non existant, i remember you could have 3 of one specific type of mission, i had 2 bugged in my mission log which meant i could only pick one up at a time, i had to go back and forth, it soon became a bore and everytime i reported it i had the same response "we know this is an issue and are in the process of fixing it" i searched the forums, searched google it seems this had been a problem since time began...
And JTL, the space bit was great but that Wookie planet i forget the name it just ran like crap, low fps etc, all my guildies used to moan about it, it just seemed unplayable.
As such as always its all the little things that become one big thing and really annoy you.
And the forums eugh, hated that community, full of complete asshats, the flames i saw on those forums shocked me, i.e.
Bounty Hunter kills a Jedi (Jedi loses xp) Jedi posts on forums some made up story, flaming ensues, foul language, racial abuse, everything.. Until the thread was closed, kind of glad i never bother to post on those forums.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mtFZ0lo45Vc
Quote from: neXushttp://youtube.com/watch?v=mtFZ0lo45Vc
Brilliant, the rubberbanding on the bike part brings back memories.
10k for a 2.4k buff? What a rip off. :)
Anyone remember back when they first launched the game and all of the crap and rubbish that dropped off the map ended up at 0.0? It was the best place to hunt. MMOs arent the same without the TK knockdown/dizzy/unarmedhit3 spam.
When I compare it to Age of Conan it makes you realise how far MMOs have come.
Quote from: Chris HWhen I compare it to Age of Conan it makes you realise how far MMOs have come.
I still dont see it, yeah the graphics are better, a lot more interest from not just the computer community. I still think that Ultima Online was brilliant back in the day, I will still always have a love for Dark Ages of Camelot, Im yet to find an MMORPG that I can truly stick at and not get bored or frustrated with.
I think a major part of this is trying to weigh up the lack of time I have compared to what I did years ago, tho this is soon to change, I will be trying out Warhammer and Conan, the other major thing I find is, I dont have a guild or a community to hang about with in game anymore.
Quote from: Chris HWhen I compare it to Age of Conan it makes you realise how far MMOs have come.
Yep I agree with you up to a point, but the funny thing is there are still aspects of SWG that haven't been surpassed in any other MMO since :(
Reading this thread has made feel really nostalgic for the game
Ice Ice Baby lol
Dam those stupid fools for screwing it up!!!
Game play matters a lot more than fancy graphics, some games just feel right, ahead of their time.
Quote from: Chris HBrilliant, the rubberbanding on the bike part brings back memories.
10k for a 2.4k buff? What a rip off. :)
Anyone remember back when they first launched the game and all of the crap and rubbish that dropped off the map ended up at 0.0? It was the best place to hunt. MMOs arent the same without the TK knockdown/dizzy/unarmedhit3 spam.
When I compare it to Age of Conan it makes you realise how far MMOs have come.
Cant watch the video at work but man this thread brings back great memories. Galaxies was the last game I can say I was addicted to (up till stupid hour, home and straight back on etc).
The rubberbanding was so annoying but it was just part of the game, same as all the spam soon as you entered the citys... "BUYING xx QUALITY yy AT 30,34!!!!!!!"
Oh and the stupid insane cost of buffs, which you had to have before going hunting.
I spent my whole time in the game poor, I would earn just enough to pay my rent... most of my gear was 2nd hand aswell. Then after I stopped playing for a few months i went back and got given some of the rewards (Anti-Decay Kit & Box of high quality resources) which I ended up selling for millions... shame every city/store I knew and had bookmarked didnt exist anymore :(
I was never poor for a long time, one guy I knew quit the game and left me everything. He had like 20 houses full of stuff and more mining stuff then you could not believe. I got sick of maintaining stuff. Once I think I stuck on 6 months worth on everything and ignored them all for 1 and the amount of resources I then sold was insane, lol.
Anyone remember the developers, they were crap and a common suggestion was that people would like to ride on the two seater speeders etc. They fully and out right said the game engine would not make it possible and kept saying it was not technically possible constantly.
Soon as the masses were playing wow all of a sudden out popped the feature apperently, lol.
Just another case of the developers not bothering to fix or do additions to the game un released absolutely forced too or could be bothered to, rubber banding was just a prime example, along with the 10 minute shuttle wait times down to 5.
I was around when all the protests hit and saw it on the server I was on because they banned all the people who did the hack to clone money but not only that anyone that had been tipped money from these guys wanted or not as well as anyone who made and sold items even through their shops where the money was used to pay for it all got banned. It was daft and the GM behavior was appalling.
I never had any experiance with the in game GMs they could not of exisited from what I saw / heard about them.
I remember the masssive banning streak tho, it was nuts and took alot of people weeks to get back online. As said above SOEs handling of SWG killed any faith I have in the company and I would be reluctant to pick up another game of theirs.
The easiest way to make money without doing anything, i used 1 or 2 plots for my house, cant remember exactly then rented out all the other spots to a guildie who dropped mines on all of them, it was money for nothing, 10 building slots per account and i was busy doing other stuff anyway :D The good thing is she was one of the finest double cap weapon crafters on the server, and sold me quite a few nice goodies for my BH :D
I was one of the few jedi when the corvette went live (they were still relatively few and far between) so I used to do solo runs through that and sell AV-21 schems and powerplants for a small fortune.
Quote from: Chris HI was one of the few jedi when the corvette went live (they were still relatively few and far between) so I used to do solo runs through that and sell AV-21 schems and powerplants for a small fortune.
You seem to be lucky with a stable one, most servers just had a bug fest, Every time I went in with a group 5 driods were at the start in seconds blasting you with blasts from all floors
Just Showed this thread to my nephew and we had a really good reminisce about it, guess he has a better memory of it than me as there was loads of great stuff I had forgotten about hehe.
I had totally forgotten that we used to make quite a bit of money in the game by selling credits on Ebay, when the game was still really popular :P
We earned millions from farming Nightsister Elder's, took us about 4 mins to take one down with 3 speed capped Rifleman using concealed shot hehe.
The best loot (and about the easiest) we ever got was one morning after server restart, we had been drinking and playing SWG all night it was about 5 or 6 in the morning at this point, we were going to kill one more Elder before going to bed.
We happened to pass the entrance to the Nightsister cave near the stronghold, stood at the entrance was the really hard named Nightsister from inside the cave with next to no health!!!
Guess a group tried to kill her but they wiped and some of them must have decided to run for it and dragged her to the entrance before being killed, we couldn't remember her name, but she had loads of adds that hit pretty hard.
So we killed her and I ran in to draw the adds away and my nephew looted.
Can't remember what the loot was, but it was used in vibro knucklers for TKA's and were by far the best ever seen on the server! we sold them for 19 million each and 8 dropped lol
We also had a lot of fun when they turned up the spawn rate on Krayt dragon's :D
We both agreed for about 6 months that SWG was the most fun either of us ever had in any MMO, but it needed more content, between myself my nephew and his GF we were paying for 8 accounts lol and I know lots of other people who had more than 1 account, so it couldn't have been money that was stopping them getting a decent team together to work on improving the game :(
Again dam Sony!!!!
Id had my Jedi & sold it long before the corvette became live :w00t:
Its a pity they played around to much & broke it
Was very tempted to try one of the Private Servers that run pre-CU, but whats the point
it wont be the same :oD http://www.swgservers.com/
One last thing I remember on one of my accounts (cant remember if it was Jedi or the new account after CU)
was the Live event - One of the cities on tantooine got over-run with Tusken Raiders.
After it had all completed, I got a Live Event medal in my Character Bio
Quote from: EggtasticoId had my Jedi & sold it long before the corvette became live :w00t:
Its a pity they played around to much & broke it
Was very tempted to try one of the Private Servers that run pre-CU, but whats the point
it wont be the same :oD http://www.swgservers.com/
One last thing I remember on one of my accounts (cant remember if it was Jedi or the new account after CU)
was the Live event - One of the cities on tantooine got over-run with Tusken Raiders.
After it had all completed, I got a Live Event medal in my Character Bio
When ever you hear people talk about it and what they loved it is all about the core engine elements or the fact that it was star wars and the people and what the people did in the and to the game / server.
I really really hope still for the KOTOR MMO, it has sooo much potential and it will be star wars and make sense to have jedi and sith about.
oh no please stop, i still have an account active and you guys are making me want to log in even though the game has gone to sh*te now.
I too hope a KOTOR MMO does make an appearence and do the Starwars title justice, however i fear i will never have the time these days to play it myself.
adam2975 is that the nice car that was on top gear that Jeremy liked that I thought was cool also
I think he did test drive the smart roadster yes and wasnt impressed by the flappy paddle gearbox, the one i remember though is when Hampster tested the prototype brabus roadster with two of the V3 engines bolted together.
Its on youtube.
Quote from: adam2975I think he did test drive the smart roadster yes and wasnt impressed by the flappy paddle gearbox, the one i remember though is when Hampster tested the prototype brabus roadster with two of the V3 engines bolted together.
Its on youtube.
Not that then was an audi I think