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Title: Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Bacon on September 23, 2007, 20:06:53 PM
I have a non HD LCD TV and yeh when i see xbox on a HD Tv yeh i can notice a major difference in the quality.

However, whats the difference between an LCD TV and PC Monitor, the new ones have built in tv tuners but no mention of supporting HD, ive never really understood the difference between tv and monitor, how come tv can support hd and yet monitor doesnt, i always thought monitor was far superior in quality to tv with better resolutions.

Someone care to explain this?
Title: Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on September 23, 2007, 20:27:17 PM
lcd tv also often comes with nicer attachments. I am thinking of getting one instead of a HTPC + monitor, mainly because the scart would be rather useful for attaching my playstation or something :D
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Eggtastico on September 23, 2007, 20:31:54 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/98/Common_Video_Resolutions.svg/800px-Common_Video_Resolutions.svg.png)

That should explain it.
thats the resolutions so 1280x720 is 720 - usually reffered to 720p - nobody bothers with 720i the i stands for interlaced.


480 is normal TV
576 is DVD (VHS is 350 or somthing sh*t)
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Bacon on September 23, 2007, 21:40:43 PM
ok that helps a bit, good ole" egg :D

Another question, i found this tv for instance

http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Hanspree_32_inch_LCD_HD_TV_JT01-32E1-000G/version.asp

says it supports 1080i but the max resolution is 1366x768 so wouldnt that be 760, and the reason it supports upto 1080 is because it will run it at 760 ?
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Eggtastico on September 23, 2007, 23:17:02 PM
Quote from: Baconsays it supports 1080i but the max resolution is 1366x768 so wouldnt that be 760, and the reason it supports upto 1080 is because it will run it at 760 ?

Yup, it will take a 1080i picture & then downsample it.Cram the pixels to make it fit
It could make it look blocky/stretched, etc.

Its knocking square blocks through round holes.. Im sure if you knock hard enough theyll fit through, but at what shape?
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: PuNk on September 24, 2007, 00:05:37 AM
I remember reading someone explaining in another thread what 1080i and 1080p were, but it all went over my head, but which is actually better?
Title: Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Cheule on September 24, 2007, 00:11:11 AM
True 1080p.

The 1080 means how many lines down are there across the screen (the more the better the image quality) and the p is progressive, which means all lines are scanned, one by one, onto the screen.

1080i is interlaced, which is 540 alternating lines or thereabouts flashed up at you for a split second, then the other 540 lines, giving the impression of 1080p. Except it flickers a bit.
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Cypher on September 24, 2007, 11:07:48 AM
Its not that they cant show HD its just that most PC monitors cant show HD in native resolution as eggtastico shows.  There are few at the moment that truly support 1080p, otherwise they were letterboxed.

The main difference between a TV and a Monitor is not just the resolution.  Its the pixel pitch.   The screens on monitors were designed to be viewed up close, they have a much smaller pixel pitch which is the space between each pixel.
 
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Bacon on September 24, 2007, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: Eggtastico
Quote from: Baconsays it supports 1080i but the max resolution is 1366x768 so wouldnt that be 760, and the reason it supports upto 1080 is because it will run it at 760 ?

Yup, it will take a 1080i picture & then downsample it.Cram the pixels to make it fit
It could make it look blocky/stretched, etc.

Its knocking square blocks through round holes.. Im sure if you knock hard enough theyll fit through, but at what shape?

Oh oh, cant wait to rip the piss out of my mates for buying tvs that support 1080 but are not 1080 :D think ill have to research the tech specs a little more and find a better tv.
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Kunal on September 24, 2007, 11:40:08 AM
I wouldnt really worry about 1080p unless youre looking at a screen 40" +.

Roll on January sales and Ill be picking up a 52" 1080p LED backlit LCD with 500,000:1 contrast :D
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Bacon on September 24, 2007, 11:48:42 AM
I was looking for 1080i support rather than 1080p
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Kunal on September 24, 2007, 12:10:39 PM
Do you have a screen size & budget in mind?
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: dogbert on September 24, 2007, 12:29:11 PM
I hope someone can help with this....Im trying to figure out whats happening with my TV.

There is a grainyness that appears on DIGITAL TV, but not with ANALOGUE. When the image has fast movement but still or slow images are clear and sharp!

This happens on all TV channels, but not on DVD or VHS, the TV is a Panasonic 28"CRT Widescreen and Ive tried it on all aspect ratios with no difference.

Why have I got grainyness on Digital TV broadcasts. (Its not signal strenght, becuase theres no freezing or dropouts or blockyness, and the signal level is in the green.)
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Bacon on September 24, 2007, 15:09:21 PM
Quote from: KunalDo you have a screen size & budget in mind?

uh budget cheap ish, size 22/26"+

Dogbert - threadjack alert!!  :shock:  ;)
Title: Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: DeltaZero on September 24, 2007, 16:06:42 PM
There is NO difference between 1080p and 1080i - its all a load of marketing bollocks. Sony recently has been telling people their 1080i sets are actually 1080p. Its just a con to sell more sets.

The big difference, as egg points out is the actual resolution the set can do. Most only do 1366x768 (or something like that, not sure its those exact numbers) TRUE 1080 will be a set that does 1080x1920.

If you come across and idiot on a forum boasting about how their 1080p is better than everyone else's 1080i set don't listen to a word they say! There is a thread here where I posted some links to the technical explanation of I vs P – if you're into your TV technology I'm sure you'd find it quite interesting.
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Eggtastico on September 24, 2007, 16:16:40 PM
Quote from: KunalI wouldnt really worry about 1080p unless youre looking at a screen 40" +.

Roll on January sales and Ill be picking up a 52" 1080p LED backlit LCD with 500,000:1 contrast :D

I drive past a 60" Plasma everyday & think WOW I want one of those.

Then I remember I got a 77" Projector setup :-D
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Bacon on September 24, 2007, 19:07:02 PM
hey rather than thank you separately, heres a thanks to all for replying :)

Im still undecided on what tv to get though for the moment :D
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Cypher on October 05, 2007, 15:09:42 PM
I still find this highly amusing...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/57/UHDV.svg/800px-UHDV.svg.png)
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: mrt on October 05, 2007, 15:22:34 PM
Quote from: EggtasticoThen I remember I got a 77" Projector setup :-D

Cnut!  ;)
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Pete on October 05, 2007, 15:43:34 PM
Do tellys with freeview built in also have analogue built in? Digital reception in my area is a little flaky. Anyone recommend a 19-22" screen from the highstreet?
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: dogbert on October 05, 2007, 16:25:37 PM
Im waiting for this, the new HDCRT from Samsung, theyve spent a lot of time & money on the tube.

http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/television/crt/index.asp
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Mardoni on October 05, 2007, 16:58:22 PM
Quote from: sdpDo tellys with freeview built in also have analogue built in? Digital reception in my area is a little flaky. Anyone recommend a 19-22" screen from the highstreet?

I dont know about all of them but my Pana has the ability to switch from freeview to analogue.
Title: Re:Whats the difference? - LCD Tv vs Monitor
Post by: Cypher on October 05, 2007, 21:51:23 PM
Quote from: dogbertIm waiting for this, the new HDCRT from Samsung, theyve spent a lot of time & money on the tube.

http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/television/crt/index.asp

Waiting?  They have been in currys every time I go in there?  :?