When my PS3 comes Ill let you all know which I prefer ;-)

I do think MS has gone for Games first above all and extras later.  Wireless headsets, wireless(ish) wheel, HD-DVD drive.  As Mallrat says, there is nothing stopping MS from doing a Bluray drive if its clear Bluray has won.  They would do it just to prevent Sony from having a one-up on Xbox360.  They have already done that twice, removed two feathers from Sonys Cap.  Hi-Def movie playback and 1080p gaming.

Sony has clearly gone for the all-in-one entertainment experience.  If anything, the PS3 is closer to being Xbox 2 while the 360 is Xbox 1.5   They have tried to include everything in the box.  As with Xbox and PS2, PS2 could always be produced cheaper than MS could ever dream to produce the Xbox.  This time the boot is on the other foot.  From a price point of view MS could very easily price Sony out of the market.  How much can Sony afford to lose per console?  MS could easily do to Sony what Sony did to MS in the last gen.

If we look at the consoles from a gaming point of view, what killer apps does each console have?  Unless you have a AAA title you will have to go multi-platform.    And then even if you do have a AAA title, what stops you from releasing it multi-platform?  *Cough* Oblivion *Cough*.  We have seen a number of titles which have been initially announced as platform exclusive but have since been announced for the competition.  Assassins Creed was originally announced for the PS3, then PC and then 360.  Oblivion for PC and 360 and then PS3.  The only games that will be exclusive in my opinion will be 1st party titles and a small number of titles which have been snapped up to exclusivity.  Resistance:Fall of Man, Motorstorm, flOw, Heavenly Sword all spring to mind for the PS3.

Alot of people are going to get the PS3 simply because they had a PS2.  That is what Sony is banking on.  Cant blame them really as they were incredibly successful with the PS2.  I read a very interesting (and long) article that went into the reasons for the failure of the Dreamcast.  They put it partly down to Segas failure to make a large impact in the Japanese market, mainly comparing it to the PS1 sales at the time.  PS1 greatly outsold the Dreamcast.  The same thing has happened to the 360 in the various markets it has been launched in.  It has been trumpetted a number of times when PS2 has been outsold by the 360 yet the situation is quickly restored a few weeks after.  PS2 still outsells the 360.  That is not just a concern for MS, its a concern for Sony.  If the PS2 is selling so well, how do you grade the success of the PS3?  How do you judge success and failure?  If after 3 months the PS2 is still outselling the PS3 and 360... does that make them both a failure?

Also, HD-DVD uses a different laser to Bluray, it will be impossible for the HD-DVD addon for the 360 to play Bluray discs.  Having said that, if there are any changes made to HD-DVD, ie extra layers added to increase capacity, it should merely require a software update to take advantage of these new discs.  

Also, notice I have ignored the Wii.  Its a law unto itself...

Also a side note regarding the noise.  The 360s achiles heal is its DVD drive.  Fortunately they appear to have fixed this (finally) with the new Benq drive.  If I were to compare the PS3 and 360, I would say the PS3 has a superior design that makes better use of the case.  Rumour was Sony had a difficult time squeezing the PS3 into its case.    The 360 on the otherhand has lots of empty space in it.   Compare the PS3 to the Xbox360.



http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/chudgoo/PS3%20Disemboweled/?start=all
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp.nyud.net:8080/docs/2006/1111/ps3.htm

PS3 has loads going for it, the only real drawback being the cost - and the fact that ms & nintendo have room to cut prices.

There were a LOT of revisions of the C64.

Did that hurt sales? Nope.

Id rather buy an Arcade Unit like a Naomi/NaomiII/Trigem than paying the cost of a PS3

sony may succeed, but it wont be down to their work

they have shot themselves in the foot so many times during the ps3 production

they had the formula great with the ps2, was enough for the hardcore gamers, but not too much to scare the casual gamers

ps3 is going too extreme, only hardcore gamers will pay for it, it is packed filled with so much that it will scare alot of people away when there are cheaper alternatives for the main casual gamer such as the 360 or the wii

Quote from: EggtasticoId rather buy an Arcade Unit like a Naomi/NaomiII/Trigem than paying the cost of a PS3

Ive an Atomiswave SD coming this month if that helps.


Anyway sounds like Sony managed to shift a fair few ps3s with the launch of GTA.

No sign of any xbox360 2s as mentioned in this thread, I think MS must be concentrating on keeping the price point low, a wise move.


I still think sony can do this, Metal Gear and Gran Turismo have both impressed me recently, about time to be honest.

GT5 Prologue is a bit of a joke to be honest. Its a band aid because its still going to be at least a year until we see the real GT5, and Sony has no decent car games out on the PS3.

I was half convinced Id pick up a PS3 when GT5 Prologue came out, Im that much of a fan of car games and the GT series to a degree, but once I actually had a go on it I was quite disappointed. It looks nice but besides that its got nothing else going for it right now. Online play is rubbish, the AI is rubbish and the fact it still lacks damage is the biggest joke of them all.

When you get down to it, it doesnt really look that much better than Forza 2, which has been out for quite a while now, has great damage effects and is a very in depth enjoyable game you can come back to, time and time again.

Bar a few titles being console specific more and more are cross platform now. I dont care about Bluray, I watch HD content by other means, I just care about gaming when I buy an Xbox or PS. Right now it seems like theres not much on the horizon, or its too far in the future, to really get me excited about getting a PS3.

My interest in the PS3 is growing, although Im not going to buy one until its at least half the price it is now.  I wouldnt mind having a blast on Haze, and Resistance, but GT doesnt interest me anymore.  I think Forza will prove to be the better game.  Gears of war is better than Resistance and that leaves Haze.  Bit much buying a console for one game.  
All the good games are multi format anyway.  
Ive got 2 360s and about to palm off my flashbanned one to my brother.  Hes getting a 360 for his birthday and I think its going to be one of those unflashable benqs.  He can have my flashed one and Ill have his new one.  If my flashed one dies ill just give him another console.  The arcades are cheap enough to be disposable like that.  Its just a shame the DRM is such a pain in the assist.

However I agree that the PS3 will probably win this round too as they have the branding that all the "cool kids" want and all the gullible parents know the phrase "PlayStation"  Itll be a close battle though, its going to make sony sit up and think "maybe this isnt going to be as easy as we thought"  Basically they are in the same position that the classic console makers were in.   Microsoft / Sony are the present day Sega / Nintendo and the other console brands are getting muscled out apart from Nintys blinding party pieces of getting consoles to people who dont normally play.

Quote from: soopahflyHes getting a 360 for his birthday and I think its going to be one of those unflashable benqs.  

Piss, is there a new unflashable BenQ? I have one flashed at 5x and its much much quieter than my old tosh-sammy


Comments above about GT5, tbh I thought it was brilliant at first, then it became a bit of a chore tbh, it all felt very very familiar but the online play and visuals are spot on for me 8-)

Quote from: Deaths HeadAlso a side note regarding the noise.  The 360s achiles heal is its DVD drive.  Fortunately they appear to have fixed this (finally) with the new Benq drive.  If I were to compare the PS3 and 360, I would say the PS3 has a superior design that makes better use of the case.  Rumour was Sony had a difficult time squeezing the PS3 into its case.    The 360 on the otherhand has lots of empty space in it.   Compare the PS3 to the Xbox360.



http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/chudgoo/PS3%20Disemboweled/?start=all
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp.nyud.net:8080/docs/2006/1111/ps3.htm

Considering the space, the PS3 is astonishingly quiet for its cooling solution.

Quote from: soopahflyMy interest in the PS3 is growing.

same here.. the price have come right down.. also my phone contract is up in a month or so.. maybe time to look for one of those "free gift" options

are you having a giraffe about sony having done well with the cooling and layout? its bigger than a breeze block they had sh*t loads of space.

Im having ps3 thoughts too, but tbh its too big & ugly for me right now I saw one under a tv and it was an eyesore. If they came out with a mini version Id buy one, definitely.

There was a news article that the PS3 had overtaken the 360 in European sales, probably because of the ditching of HD-DVD on the 360