Ive been toying with the idea of getting an X-box 360 - pretty much solely for playing Guitar Hero II - but also any other of the array of games on there since I never get around to playing PC games much these days.
I had considered a PS2 but it hardly seems worth it, and the X-box looks like a good media center solution too, and has the possibilities of going hi-def for films...
Good idea?
Do I just need the core/arcade box or is it worth getting an elite uber premium or whatever for the HDD and other bits?
Should I get a barebones off ebay to save money on the console cost?
ps3 ftw
AFAIK theres no GH II on the PS3, or is the PS3 backwards compatible with PS2 games?
I specifically want to get GH II as I like the songs on there.
Edit: nevermind I see it can play it, the controller will be compatible too right?
Edit 2:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=740988
Thats a bit crap. Im not won over on the PS3 idea, unless anyone else has done this an knows it works.
Quote from: Eggtasticops3 piece of sh*t
fixed it for you :rofl:
Quote from: RivkidQuote from: Eggtasticops3 piece of sh*t
fixed it for you :rofl:
my 360 is the worst console ive bought.
Yet to get a ps3, but its high on my list.
Infact, anyone want to swap a PS3 for a chipped & Banned Xbox 360 & a chipped Wii, gimme a yell
Quote from: Clockd 0Neis the PS3 backwards compatible with PS2 games?
compatability has now gone from the PS3 unless you can get the earlier 60gb ones.
At least your future proofing yourself with a Blu-Ray player, instead of dust collecting hd-dvd
If you have none of them then Id probably pick up the PS3. I think the XBox is the better console (especially when mated to a Wii) but the PS3 has the Bluray player. Ultimately I have all 3 and the XBox gets the most single player use, the Wii is unmatched when people are round and the PS3 for films.
But if youre only after Guitar Hero (as good on the XBox as the PS3), Singstar type games (PS3 probably better) and the bonus the PS3 is really the only sensible choice bluray player out there then its got to be the PS3.
Egg - you probably hate your 360 because its banned form live and your missing out on all the great content on there. I really dont see what there isnt to like about the 360 - if you liked your Xbox original its the natural progression. If you didnt like original - why buy a 360?!
Mines been solid, effecient and quiet since day one and I think the games have got better and better since its release. Love mine to bits. Ive played PS3 a good few times now at friends houses and its not a patch on the 360 plus its only got sh*t games (apart from a small number of dual format releases.)
I dont buy into all this blue ray / HD DVD bollox. Its a GAMES console and Im not wearing my drives out watching films...
Nige - Id be tempted to get one with HDMI (Elite or Arcade I believe) - I think in the long term itll be worthwhile. And get one new with warrenty - its worth the extra for the peace of mind.
yeah, egg was mod naughter and got banned so he is bitter, newer types of 360, better cpu, hdmi as standard, good games out from last year, a load of amazing ones this year. Last year was a stupid success in terms of gaming and the industry with 18billion made in the US alone and this years game line up (mainly because a load were delayed) is even stronger..
Rockband, GTA, splinter cell just to name 3.
You got the option of the hd player and if blu ray wins ms only have to make a blu ray player and your sorted.. You got the recent live update with all the new cool tweaks to the machine as well (which egg cant get :P )
http://fretsonfire.sourceforge.net/
Cheers sdp. Its not quite the same deal.
It looks like theres not much to find negative in the X-box to me. Im not fussed about the HD formats as I can easily buy a standalone at some point when the time is right. But in terms of the games the X-box definitely seems like the better choice and it means I can play Guitar Hero II and III with no compatability issues.
Whats the difference between the Elite and Premium, which is ideal for me to go for? Im not going to pay to play online or anything like that, but I would use live to update it as necessary.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeCheers sdp. Its not quite the same deal.
It looks like theres not much to find negative in the X-box to me. Im not fussed about the HD formats as I can easily buy a standalone at some point when the time is right. But in terms of the games the X-box definitely seems like the better choice and it means I can play Guitar Hero II and III with no compatability issues.
Whats the difference between the Elite and Premium, which is ideal for me to go for? Im not going to pay to play online or anything like that, but I would use live to update it as necessary.
Elite - Black, Hdmi, Bigger Hardrive, Hdmi cable Over the old premium with smaller hardrive no hdmi and white basically but newer Premiums have hdmi (not sure about the cable) elite had headset in, google should link a site with someone showing all differences in all versions I am sure
SDP while that is cool and I got it compared to rock band its poo
Quote from: RivkidEgg - you probably hate your 360 because its banned form live and your missing out on all the great content on there. I really dont see what there isnt to like about the 360 - if you liked your Xbox original its the natural progression. If you didnt like original - why buy a 360?!
Mines been solid, effecient and quiet since day one and I think the games have got better and better since its release. Love mine to bits. Ive played PS3 a good few times now at friends houses and its not a patch on the 360 plus its only got sh*t games (apart from a small number of dual format releases.)
I dont buy into all this blue ray / HD DVD bollox. Its a GAMES console and Im not wearing my drives out watching films...
Nige - Id be tempted to get one with HDMI (Elite or Arcade I believe) - I think in the long term itll be worthwhile. And get one new with warrenty - its worth the extra for the peace of mind.
yes the content is that great that I didnt bother to unchip my box so I can access all those great demos, videos & picture packs.
If I was that concerened about Live, I would have bought a 2nd XBox.
Fact is, my xbox 360 has been unplugged & not switched on for about 6 months. Long after it got banned for live.
I preffered my ps2 to my xbox as well (both chipped) fwiw.
Quote from: Eggtasticoyes the content is that great that I didnt bother to unchip my box so I can access all those great demos, videos & picture packs.
If I was that concerened about Live, I would have bought a 2nd XBox.
Fact is, my xbox 360 has been unplugged & not switched on for about 6 months. Long after it got banned for live.
I preffered my ps2 to my xbox as well (both chipped) fwiw.
Thats fair enough I mean its each to their own at the end of the day. I just dont know what you expected when you bought it - the xbox 360 was EXACTLY what I expected it to be in everyway, and then some. I dont see how its a disappointment its what they said it would be. BTW if you havent used it in 6 months youve missed out on some quality games.
Nige - get an Elite - for the few extra ££s the extra HDD space and the little extras are worth it. Plus I said the same about paying to play live at first but was soon convinced to sign up - Xbox live is well worth the cash and somehow you do seem to miss out on something if you dont have it.
xbox live is a joke, there is simply no way I am paying for the pleasure of being able to setup a multiplayer peer to peer game :puke:
I have all 3 systems,
The wii is a party system, full stop, I havent switched mine on since November, and I have all ze games for it.
The xbox360 is my personal fave but I havent played mine for a while as this one hasnt had the drive flashed yet, the new falcon systems (any brand new one will be a falcon now) seem to be much quieter and hopefully more reliable. Another advantage is that some of the games are multi region so you can buy the Asian versions from play-asia for £25 when theyre brand new, including some notable titles like mass effect and PGR4 :ptu:
The ps3 is definitely one for the future, it gets very little usage from me however if recent reports are to be believed they are on the verge of busting that sucker open, if that happens the ps3 could really step into gear.
TBH I would be inclined to wait until GTA4 is about to come out, as speculation is around that both will drop their console prices to get those sales in :cheers:
edit -> with regards to which system to get xbox wise, dont bother with the arcade as you really need the HDD to be futureproof (some games already take advantage of it) however I wouldnt bother with the elite unless you can get one really cheap, I personally wont be paying MS to watch content and dont need 120GB of space...
double edit -> I would avoid das eBay with regards to buying, you really need one of the new falcon chips, the others are simply not reliable (ive had 4 die on me)
Quote from: matt5cottedit -> with regards to which system to get xbox wise, dont bother with the arcade as you really need the HDD to be futureproof (some games already take advantage of it) however I wouldnt bother with the elite unless you can get one really cheap, I personally wont be paying MS to watch content and dont need 120GB of space...
There are other things that the 20GB of space can be used for besides downloaded movies. I had to buy a 120GB drive recently as my 20GB drive had been filled with save games, extra game content and Arcade games. Id say get an Elite as youll probably end up needing due to all the stuff that is available to download.
Cheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?
I also dont get why people complain that paying around £3 a month is too much for XBox Live. I dont earn much but dont have a problem with paying as the service is great, minus the few hiccups they had over Christmas.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeCheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?
No, they cost them to dam much but your console generation has always been 5 years All you will have is the revisions that always take place when things are made smaller, cheaper components and small improvements, like the ps3 slim which is on the way and the fact if HD-dvd does not die (which sadly looks like it is very much loosing the company war (not consumer mind)) rumour of it as standard in revisions of the elite are on the cards for the 360 for example
Quote from: TheMallratI also dont get why people complain that paying around £3 a month is too much for XBox Live. I dont earn much but dont have a problem with paying as the service is great, minus the few hiccups they had over Christmas.
If I go out and pay for a game I expect the entirity of the game content to be available out of the box.
Not half of it to be buried away until I pay MS a shafting charge.
Its like being dry bummed against your will, then smiling and paying for it.
The compatibility issues with the ps2 become less of an issue as time goes on as the ps3 catalogue grows, who gives a crap if you cant pay some old ps1 game.
Quote from: matt5cottQuote from: TheMallratI also dont get why people complain that paying around £3 a month is too much for XBox Live. I dont earn much but dont have a problem with paying as the service is great, minus the few hiccups they had over Christmas.
If I go out and pay for a game I expect the entirity of the game content to be available out of the box.
Not half of it to be buried away until I pay MS a shafting charge.
Its like being dry bummed against your will, then smiling and paying for it.
The compatibility issues with the ps2 become less of an issue as time goes on as the ps3 catalogue grows, who gives a crap if you cant pay some old ps1 game.
Sorry but this is total tosh, everyone knows the live system is the best out there and the others not even come close to the features and the control and with the amount of sign ups it gets and consistent use and even Sony and Nintendo admitting they missed the ball on that one and the fact it has nothing to do with not getting a full game out of the box since you got the very strict quality control on games by MS and are patching going on but actual more time to develop and produce more extended content for you some free some payed (just like pc expansions) to bring new life and extension to your game so your not spending the ever increasing cost of an actual new game - Rock band when it will come out will be a lump sum but wont be rock band 2, 3 like guitar hero since you need more items and modes and songs all of which and more will be available through live at end of day being better for you.
PS3 games with issues like the fps companies having to ship and replace games they cant fix them and actually have had far more buggy releases over the 360 already due to the coding issues with the machine and previously talked about developers working on 360 then porting to pc ala xbox and ps2 producing similar issues and effects but in a turn around all talked about in the industry as well
It is fair to say your not keen on paying for something but to go out like the above is well bullcrap
Oh and you got to laugh at the
Quoteps3 catalogue grows
Because it is going far to slow and all the power base Sony built and all the exclusives they once had they have literally ballzed up and about lost all the big name games and power house people moving to other things with Free hands.
Big thing for the year is the fact the konami did not do to well in the money front last year and pulling out of arcades and In the industry that there may even be a merger with Namco Bandi to stay competitive with other companies merging or buying out others
If The last Metal Gear solid as a proper Metal Gear game(since its creator is doing other things after this and with his hands free also apparently going to go produce for the 360 (talked about last year) does not Sell on the PS3 as it should (which all indications is that there is a big concern on this (note ps3 sales you got to take a chunk off as many buy it as a blu ray player only (quite high numbers) ) they have been koy about porting it to the 360 and if it does not come close to say a halo3 level of money back for them its going 360, May be end of year or a while but it will if the sales are not there and it will be another kick in the teeth for Sony.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeCheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?
Theres nopt going to be anything coming out that obsoletes the current crop of consoles for a while yet.
Microsoft are just turning a profit now and Sony are still losing cash hand over fist on the PS3s (its more valuable to them to have Bluray win the format wars than make cash on the consoles). They have to let them run for a while yet to make returns. So dont worry about the obsolesence of any of the three machines - which cant be said for many electronics goods these days.
If its solely games then the XBox lineup is simply better than the PS3s. Theres more good games to play. But you cant argue with the price of that Bluray player... Youll probably end up with both/all three eventually anyway when you buy a PS3 to watch movies.
edit: and I hardly ever plug the PS3 or XBox into the net either tbh. Just cba lol. The wiis only on because I synced the wireless for the arcade downloads.
bloody forum software lost my post grrr
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: Clockd 0NeCheers. Hmm the points you made about the PS3 would make it more tempting if not for these damned compatability issues with the older PS2 games. Are there any more consoles revisions due out, whats on the horizon? I take it none of these are going to be dead horses in 12 months time?
Theres nopt going to be anything coming out that obsoletes the current crop of consoles for a while yet.
Microsoft are just turning a profit now and Sony are still losing cash hand over fist on the PS3s (its more valuable to them to have Bluray win the format wars than make cash on the consoles). They have to let them run for a while yet to make returns. So dont worry about the obsolesence of any of the three machines - which cant be said for many electronics goods these days.
If its solely games then the XBox lineup is simply better than the PS3s. Theres more good games to play. But you cant argue with the price of that Bluray player... Youll probably end up with both/all three eventually anyway when you buy a PS3 to watch movies.
edit: and I hardly ever plug the PS3 or XBox into the net either tbh. Just cba lol. The wiis only on because I synced the wireless for the arcade downloads.
MS never said never when asked if they would make a blu ray player and said the 360 could handle it and the box would just be similar to the hd-dvd in terms of function so either choice he goes for blu ray in future an option and it does look like companies are taking blu ray as the choice for them
Quote from: neXusSorry but this is total tosh, everyone knows the live system is the best out there
Multiplayer on a PC is free, easier and frankly better.
Quote from: neXusand the others not even come close to the features and the control and with the amount of sign ups it gets and consistent use and even Sony and Nintendo admitting they missed the ball on that one and the fact it has nothing to do with not getting a full game out of the box since you got the very strict quality control on games by MS and are patching going on but actual more time to develop and produce more extended content for you some free some payed (just like pc expansions) to bring new life and extension to your game so your not spending the ever increasing cost of an actual new game - Rock band when it will come out will be a lump sum but wont be rock band 2, 3 like guitar hero since you need more items and modes and songs all of which and more will be available through live at end of day being better for you.
Nice ramble... :roll: if you think that paying £40 for something then having to pay more to use it online is good then thats lovely, if you want additional content then anyone is welcome to pay for it (this goes for the PS3 also) and if you think that its nothing to do with getting a full game out of the box then thats your opinion, you must be the retailers dreams come true :)
Quote from: neXusPS3 games with issues like the fps companies having to ship and replace games they cant fix them and actually have had far more buggy releases over the 360 already due to the coding issues with the machine and previously talked about developers working on 360 then porting to pc ala xbox and ps2 producing similar issues and effects but in a turn around all talked about in the industry as well
Youre just highlighting the worst bits and bobs you can find about the PS3, its not an informed opinion infact its so biased its a joke, I could go on about the 360 shoddy build quality but frankly I just want to help Nige make an informed decision.
Quote from: neXusIt is fair to say your not keen on paying for something but to go out like the above is well bullcrap
Thats my opinion, but thanks anyway.
Quote from: neXusOh and you got to laugh at the Quoteps3 catalogue grows
Because it is going far to slow and all the power base Sony built and all the exclusives they once had they have literally ballzed up and about lost all the big name games and power house people moving to other things with Free hands.
Its a quiet point for all now, without a crystal ball its far too early for anyone to predict sales figures in 2008, I see GTA4 doing much better on the 360.
Again im not here to defend any camp, I have all 3 consoles and am merely expressing my opinion.
PS blu-ray is crap anyway, its all about who gets their box unlocked first for some x264 high def playback :ptu:
Quote from: neXusMS never said never when asked if they would make a blu ray player and said the 360 could handle it and the box would just be similar to the hd-dvd in terms of function so either choice he goes for blu ray in future an option and it does look like companies are taking blu ray as the choice for them
Unless you know something I dont Im unaware of Microsoft having a license even for the BluRay specs, let alone a development group. They could buy in the tech of course but short term Bluray on the 360 wont be popping up.
Matt - I appreciate where your coming from and at the end of the day everyone has theyre own preference. I do think a couple of your points are a bit clouded though - namely the value of Live and the region free thing.
I can see why you object to paying for Live I really can. But I have to say I couldnt go back to PC online gamig now unless I was paying for the server (which defeats the object). Its so much easier and faster to just jump on live, connect to the server and begin playing plus I get much better ping and connection speeds than the vast majority of free pc servers will give. I can speak to everyone without connecting to vent or ts2 and I can see who is online straight away with no mucking around. All this plus demos of the latest releases (which d/l from ridiculously fast servers) , video if I wanted it ok I dont but still, but also game add ons, extra levels etc..
In relation to the region thing most titles can be picked up for £25.00 from various forums within days of release - ok 2nd hand, but mint and still tradeable in the UK. Most places wont accept Asian release for trade so its not always a great idea. Also many Asian versions are region free and run fine on an unchipped 360 dont forget.
I agree that the whole HDDVD/BLURAY issue is stupid because its a games console at the end of the day and I dont care what films it plays.
Oh and whilst I know youll mock me - I think most 360 owners will agree that some of the most fun theyve had with a game is replaying certain points after youve completed it chasing some elusive achievement point!! Sounds daft but the extra life it breathes into games and the feeling of accomplishment when you get some of the hard ones makes your games go a lot further.
QuoteMultiplayer on a PC is free, easier and frankly better.
Not In all cases no, In many games yes but as you put it - No not completely true, Again your warping fact to fiction to moan like before a bit which is pointless. You do like Live, fair enough but going to silly extremes is a bit daft
QuoteNice ramble... :roll: if you think that paying £40 for something then having to pay more to use it online is good then thats lovely, if you want additional content then anyone is welcome to pay for it (this goes for the PS3 also) and if you think that its nothing to do with getting a full game out of the box then thats your opinion, you must be the retailers dreams come true :)
Your talking tosh again not actually thinking and just showing your dislike for live and well talking crap ^^
QuoteYoure just highlighting the worst bits and bobs you can find about the PS3, its not an informed opinion infact its so biased its a joke, I could go on about the 360 shoddy build quality but frankly I just want to help Nige make an informed decision.
All gone in before in other threads no nead and every knows about the builds but how ms has handled it has been open and very good, have you or will you ever see sony give you a 4 year replacement on a console? no And it is not biased and detail all gone in about both sides but basically Sony has fecked up the ps3 as a platform for gaming and the gaming itself (as discussed before inherently good machine) and it is more you ignoring all that discussion not me.
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Quotets a quiet point for all now, without a crystal ball its far too early for anyone to predict sales figures in 2008, I see GTA4 doing much better on the 360.
Not talking sales, talking catalogue and very open for all to see for 2008 and simply not strong enough and gaming media already talking about that
QuoteAgain im not here to defend any camp, I have all 3 consoles and am merely expressing my opinion.
But your not, your doing more then that, ignoring fact, twisting what is to fiction and basically overdoing ending up talking crap which shows you as being stupid when your not when all it would take is "I do not like live and I did not want to pay for the service" which would be fine even saying why you dont but you then went over the top saying stuff basically not the case, I mean saying free stuff for many and most of your games as updates just for paying a monthly fee as well as offering you everything else is not not having the full game at start as you tried to put it - expansions for pc games then should be part of the main game and a stupid concept in your view then? etc You know you were over the top, lets move on
QuotePS blu-ray is crap anyway, its all about who gets their box unlocked first for some x264 high def playback :ptu:
It should not win the war and consumers may not even get the chance as it looks to
The format will be on 360 as standard and heading to it since divx will be sorted with it and them and MS are in talks in regard to media center a apple tv for MS box and next step will be 360 as a result
Quote from: RivkidIn relation to the region thing most titles can be picked up for £25.00 from various forums within days of release - ok 2nd hand, but mint and still tradeable in the UK. Most places wont accept Asian release for trade so its not always a great idea. Also many Asian versions are region free and run fine on an unchipped 360 dont forget.
I really think anyone would have struggled to get the really big name titles second hand for £25 within days of release unless youre tremendously lucky! But yes if you go asian you really need to sell it on eBay when youre done, but the other advantage is you can get games a couple of weeks before theyre out here at times. Oh and chipping (flashed FW) makes no difference to the region free status of a game unfortunately :( it does not allow you to play any region :(
I agree that the whole HDDVD/BLURAY issue is stupid because its a games console at the end of the day and I dont care what films it plays.
Quote from: RivkidOh and whilst I know youll mock me - I think most 360 owners will agree that some of the most fun theyve had with a game is replaying certain points after youve completed it chasing some elusive achievement point!! Sounds daft but the extra life it breathes into games and the feeling of accomplishment when you get some of the hard ones makes your games go a lot further.
Ive done it a couple of times! but usually its only good for an extra hour or two, but still its added value :) I love the xbox point scoring thing as it keeps track of your acheivments, its frustrating as if you game on the PS3 you get sod all to show for it :disappointed:
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: neXusMS never said never when asked if they would make a blu ray player and said the 360 could handle it and the box would just be similar to the hd-dvd in terms of function so either choice he goes for blu ray in future an option and it does look like companies are taking blu ray as the choice for them
Unless you know something I dont Im unaware of Microsoft having a license even for the BluRay specs, let alone a development group. They could buy in the tech of course but short term Bluray on the 360 wont be popping up.
Full interview on other sites and I think I read it on gamespot but..
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4349238a18335.htmlOnly a snip of it but the MS guy basically said that they would like HD-DVD to be at least with blu-ray or win but said it is in an option to make the player and bragged that it would be relatively easy and While Sony are in part of the blu ray they are not sole and it is a movie format and the player would only be that not gaming and so gaming rival and license will not come to it as I remember the article saying by some standards or something about format etc and the movie companies etc if and when you create mediums for them your not allowed to limit them so basically sony would not be able to refuse ms doing it Like the folk creating duel players and it also mentioned MS may produce jsut a blu ray player or a duel one
Read this before xmas will try remember where I read it, may even have been on bbc site
neXus,
I cant be arsed getting into some elaborate quote filled ramblefest, but I will just simply state that live is a joke, anyone who pays £40+ for a game then pays microsoft for the privelage of using it to its full potential ie using it online is a muppet.
To quote this (http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1967/AN-INCONVENIENT-TRUTH/p1) chaps article which makes some good points Paying for peer-to-peer online gameplay is a scam
ps I read 360/Bluray that article you just reffered to, I think it was on maxconsole
Quote from: matt5cottI really think anyone would have struggled to get the really big name titles second hand for £25 within days of release unless youre tremendously lucky! But yes if you go asian you really need to sell it on eBay when youre done, but the other advantage is you can get games a couple of weeks before theyre out here at times. Oh and chipping (flashed FW) makes no difference to the region free status of a game unfortunately :( it does not allow you to play any region :(
Your right you do have to be lucky - lucky and very patient!!
Must admit I didnt know that flashing the firmware (sorry I cant help but call it chipping - Im old skool!!) didnt open up the region encoding - how annoying!
seems this has turned into a PS3 V XBOX 360 debate
Nige, just get a cheap 2nd hand PS2 - play your guitar game & decide what you want at a later date.
Id get a 360. All games consoles since the dawn of time have been crap as movie players compared to stand alone. If your that bothered about bluray buy a bluray player. It will be better the PS3 anyway. I seem to recall the PS3 not being compatible with bluray 1.1 content anyway unless thats been fixed.
Hardware wise the PS3 isnt as powerful as the 360 when its in used, it reserves a sh*tload of memory and a whole portion of the cell for the dashboard.
When that strikes, the 360 eclipses it. All games look better on the 360, bar DiRT.
Theres only one reason to buy a PS3. Thats if your a brand whore and have to have it because it says "SONY".
Can put it with your Civic, kerb chains and bangrha sounds.
If its just GHII, then get a PS2. Or future proof yourself and get a 360.
If you want to experience the love of a 360, playing Halo3 on a 70" RPTV give me a shout. :D
Quote from: soopahflyId get a 360. All games consoles since the dawn of time have been crap as movie players compared to stand alone. If your that bothered about bluray buy a bluray player. It will be better the PS3 anyway. I seem to recall the PS3 not being compatible with bluray 1.1 content anyway unless thats been fixed.
Hardware wise the PS3 isnt as powerful as the 360 when its in used, it reserves a sh*tload of memory and a whole portion of the cell for the dashboard.
When that strikes, the 360 eclipses it. All games look better on the 360, bar DiRT.
Theres only one reason to buy a PS3. Thats if your a brand whore and have to have it because it says "SONY".
Can put it with your Civic, kerb chains and bangrha sounds.
If its just GHII, then get a PS2. Or future proof yourself and get a 360.
If you want to experience the love of a 360, playing Halo3 on a 70" RPTV give me a shout. :D
yay, talk out your arse based on previous experience without any actual experience re the PS3
Quote from: soopahflyId get a 360. All games consoles since the dawn of time have been crap as movie players compared to stand alone. If your that bothered about bluray buy a bluray player. It will be better the PS3 anyway. I seem to recall the PS3 not being compatible with bluray 1.1 content anyway unless thats been fixed.
The Blu-ray 1.1 content issue was sorted in the last major update for the PS3.
Id not recommend anyone get a stand-alone Blu-ray player at this point in time as they are either not profile 2.0 compatible or they have problems with playback of discs (mainly Samsung players). The best Blu-ray player available at the moment is the PS3 and its pretty much the only one which is guarenteed, or so Sony say, to be 2.0 compatible.
Assumption is the mother of all f**kups
Brothers got one gathering dust. About 15 games many are duplicated as to what I have on the 360. Thats near enough me owning one. wheres yours then egg?
A handfull of my brothers friends have PS3s too, and when Im home they all want to play on my 360.
its utter garbage, my 360 pastes it every which way.
Quote from: soopahflyAssumption is the mother of all f**kups
Brothers got one gathering dust. About 15 games many are duplicated as to what I have on the 360. Thats near enough me owning one. wheres yours then egg?
A handfull of my brothers friends have PS3s too, and when Im home they all want to play on my 360.
its utter garbage, my 360 pastes it every which way.
mine is on the list, but I dont see the point in getting one until I have 42"+ screen - dont really like using the projector for gaming.
Long way off yet.. still have to get a new toilet/cistern, real wood for 8 rooms, 2x fires & a kitchen :-D
but when I have played one, I have preffered it to my xbox. TBH though, I always go back to my PC - The games I tend to preffer work better with a mouse.
Fair enough :D.
Ive never been a sony fan tbh, but it used to be the only option.
Now thankfully theres more choice.
I played with both before buying the PS3.... In HD the Xboxs always seemed jittery and pixelated, not to mention it crashing frequently....
Thanks for all the opinions guys, they are much appreciated.
I did consider just buying a PS2 for Guitar Hero 2 Egg, but I figured if Im forking out cash for a console AND the game AND the guitar I might as well get a good console I can enjoy the latest games with (and potentially some movie playback, although this isnt going to matter for me at the moment since I dont have an LCD panel).
I also appreciate both sides of the Live play argument, but Im both not really that fussed about it and inclined to agree with Matt that I dont care for the idea of subscription based gameplay. I had my fill of that playing Ultima Online on the PC for far too long. But if thats your cup of tea and youre prepared to pay for a good online experience with other people then good for you guys :)
So far the X-box is looking like the better purchase to me, but Im glad Ive sparked such a good discussion of the pros and cons to each console. As Ive been out of the loop on consoles for a long time its good to see people mentioning past experiences, different revisions and future potential of each.
Oh yeah what does Flashing an X-box drive achieve?
Quote from: Clockd 0NeOh yeah what does Flashing an X-box drive achieve?
Pointing this topic in a risky direction :mrgreen: theres little anyone could argue for to claim they use it for legit purposes, so I guess we should leave that at that :)
However, the xbox360 is an absolutely brilliant bit of kit, if it wasnt I wouldnt keep replacing them when they die :mutley: (again new falcons should sort this)
You can also do a budget HD option with a widescreen TFT monitor, its what I do and the picture is razor HD :ptu: :ptu: :ptu:
In an excellent piece of timing, this was posted today on maxconsole
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=25162 (with regards to 2nd hand 360s)
Fair enough :mrgreen:
Oh, when are these new Falcons due? Yes I definitely wont be getting an X-box 2nd hand after reading that, if I do.
(Whenever I say that it reminds me of the Atari Falcon :geek: )
Quote from: Clockd 0NeFair enough :mrgreen:
Oh, when are these new Falcons due? Yes I definitely wont be getting an X-box 2nd hand after reading that, if I do.
(Whenever I say that it reminds me of the Atari Falcon :geek: )
All new 360s should be falcons now :ptu:
Quote from: Clockd 0NeFair enough :mrgreen:
Oh, when are these new Falcons due? Yes I definitely wont be getting an X-box 2nd hand after reading that, if I do.
(Whenever I say that it reminds me of the Atari Falcon :geek: )
They are about, All you have to do is look at the info label on the side of the cardboard box the console came in (team # lot label)look for the power info if it says 175w then that is a falcon chipset the older systems run on 203w or higher.
Quote from: moony1234In HD the Xboxs always seemed jittery and pixelated, not to mention it
Its just simply not possible.
QuoteGraphics: The XBOX 360 is a clear winner. The GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can't get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. The 360 also has a clever new way rendering high definition anti aliased back buffers. To accomplish the same effect on PS3 is prohibitively expensive. For this reason I think many games will have no choice but to run in non-HD resolutions on the PS3 version, use a lower quality anti aliasing technique, or do back buffer upscaling. The end result in all cases is going to be noticeably worse image quality.
A game developers perspective.
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htmThe 360 has the HANA/ANA chips which are hardware upscalers, the PS3 does it all via software.
yeah to be fair when Ive had the 360 vs PS3 argument in the past even most of the PS3 fans admitted the 360 won on that front!
Im just speaking from experience, probably didnt help that the 360 was on a 52" tele and the PS3 on a 42"....
I have to admit though the games/game choice seem a lot better for the 360.... In an ideal world id have both :p
Both consoles far outstrip the spec of the formats theyre playing. If youre getting pixely output from either then somethings wrong. Regardless if youre watching it on a 52" screen.
I use both regularly on a wide range of panels with no issues. Buying a non PS3 Bluray player is a truly stupid move (unless its a main brand machine with updatable firmware and lots of spare processing). The bluray spec is not yet finalized. The Bluray spec manual itself is £2k+ a year rent and is constantly changing.
The HD-DVD spec is essentially fixed and the XBox 360 far exceeds the spec needed to play it back.
Its true what SteveF says, for the time being the PS3 is probably the best Blu player in terms of price, quality, compatibility and updatability. Lots of people are getting them in from America to take advantage of US releases and region coding.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeIts true what SteveF says, for the time being the PS3 is probably the best Blu player in terms of price, quality, compatibility and updatability. Lots of people are getting them in from America to take advantage of US releases and region coding.
That is another annoying thing, why are companies picking this when region free hd-dvd is such a great concept, most of the time prices are fixed roughly the same globally now and its only a good thing anyway
Theyre picking it because its a closed format and its in the interests of the film companies to do so.
PS3/Xbox360 ... horses for courses!
They both have their pros and cons. PS3 will in time become a great if not better console than the 360. I think its similar to the old PS2 vs xbox 1 scenario. PS2 came out first, fanbase came in, xbox came out later, better console, better titles, but popularity still went with the PS2. Roles have reversed and the same is now for the 360. The thing is that by the time the PS3 gets enough titles out there it will no doubt be too late as the given the price of a 360 is so incredibly cheap its once again smashing the market in terms of sales. Not disputing that the PS3 is a bad console, I just think they left it too late.
Blu-ray ... yeah, PS3 wins hands down, even on the AV forums etc, the PS3 is the blu-ray brick of choice but I have to say, when the fans kick in midway through as its got a little too hot, it is a tad annoying. Buy one if the films thing really matters, but tbh, I have a media center pc and I could always hook in a blu-ray into that if I wanted.
Would comment on live, but again that would be on what I have heard rather than what I have seen.
I would also wait if you was to go PS3 as there is a slim version due out at some stage. Not sure of spec though.
I have to admit that I have played loads on both. TBH, I find the 360 just to have a lot of great titles, and the PS3 have a select few. I also have a mate who is convinced that the PS3 graphics in all games available on both formats is much much better than the 360?!?! I have played both on several different panels and to be honest I really cannot tell the difference. Its another one of those annoying tits who base their info on what they have read rather than what they have seen. What I do know, is they both look pretty amazing and again saving £100 on initial purchase, can well a truly go on some titles. A mate of mine just bought a PS3 at the weekend and having come out of game with 2 controllers, 4 games and a PS3 (40GB), it all came to about £440 ... my god!!! The titles only included one new and top release, the rest were older titles. Thats like buying a 360 and having £240 to spend on games ....