Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on March 20, 2007, 18:55:44 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on March 20, 2007, 18:55:44 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/20/xbox-360-elite-new-black-limited-edition-xbox-with-hdmi-and-120gb-drive
# he Elite will be limited quantities only; that may be as much or as little as a couple hundred thousand.
# The case, controller, and Live headset will all be black. It will have all new packaging.
# Elite will cost $479, and will be a 3rd SKU; it will be sold alongside Premium and Core packs.
# Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI.
# We do not yet know exactly when 120GB / HDMI will become the standard for Premium, but it is loosely estimated to be late summer or fall.
# Elite models run cooler than normal 360s, but they are not yet confirmed to have 65nm chips.
# Prices may remain the same with the 120GB / HDMI hardware upgrade in the Premium Xbox, but we may still see a price cut on the line when 65nm chips start shipping.
# The HD DVD drive will not be internal or bundled -- Microsoft never did or nor does not currently have plans to put an HD DVD drive in the 360.
# There are no current plans to integrate WiFi into the Elite or future Premiums (although that can always change).
# he Elite will be limited quantities only; that may be as much or as little as a couple hundred thousand.
# The case, controller, and Live headset will all be black. It will have all new packaging.
# Elite will cost $479, and will be a 3rd SKU; it will be sold alongside Premium and Core packs.
# Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI.
# We do not yet know exactly when 120GB / HDMI will become the standard for Premium, but it is loosely estimated to be late summer or fall.
# Elite models run cooler than normal 360s, but they are not yet confirmed to have 65nm chips.
# Prices may remain the same with the 120GB / HDMI hardware upgrade in the Premium Xbox, but we may still see a price cut on the line when 65nm chips start shipping.
# The HD DVD drive will not be internal or bundled -- Microsoft never did or nor does not currently have plans to put an HD DVD drive in the 360.
# There are no current plans to integrate WiFi into the Elite or future Premiums (although that can always change).
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Pete on March 20, 2007, 19:01:46 PM
Post by: Pete on March 20, 2007, 19:01:46 PM
I spect a lot of ppl will be kinda pissed, but its been in the pipeline since time began. Good move from ms imo.
GX270 tho :)
GX270 tho :)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Beaker on March 20, 2007, 19:22:11 PM
Post by: Beaker on March 20, 2007, 19:22:11 PM
Sony Just Got Buried :?
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: DEViANCE on March 20, 2007, 19:25:36 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on March 20, 2007, 19:25:36 PM
very good move. good price too, around £250, makes it £370ish with hddvd. still over £50 cheaper than ps3.
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Poison_UK on March 20, 2007, 19:31:15 PM
Post by: Poison_UK on March 20, 2007, 19:31:15 PM
Tho the need for a HD-DVD is not desperate... Pritty good price and pritty damned nice XBox :)
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: DEViANCE on March 20, 2007, 19:34:37 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on March 20, 2007, 19:34:37 PM
Quote from: Poison_UKTho the need for a HD-DVD is not desperate...
spot on there! why pay for somthing when it is probably a year until it will be anywhere near established as a film format.
dont think ive seen any shops selling hddvds, and cant see any games needing it anytime soon.
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Mardoni on March 20, 2007, 19:56:55 PM
Post by: Mardoni on March 20, 2007, 19:56:55 PM
Im just gutted that I have shelled out the £50 for extended warranty. If Id have know, Idve just got one of these in :s
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: DEViANCE on March 20, 2007, 19:58:45 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on March 20, 2007, 19:58:45 PM
Quote from: NimrodIm just gutted that I have shelled out the £50 for extended warranty. If Id have know, Idve just got one of these in :s
perhaps a month before your warrenty runs out your xbox might break? ;)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on March 20, 2007, 20:01:48 PM
Post by: neXus on March 20, 2007, 20:01:48 PM
So get one end of summer or birthday on September and will be sorted, may not still be able to play it but probably use it for hd movies
Sony will indeed be sh*tting it
Mind you psp2 coming soon, that is going to annoy me
Sony will indeed be sh*tting it
Mind you psp2 coming soon, that is going to annoy me
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Poison_UK on March 20, 2007, 20:23:03 PM
Post by: Poison_UK on March 20, 2007, 20:23:03 PM
I think I will wait for this release then, Ive allready got a HD-DVD player/recorded downstairs so no real need for the £50 add-on.
BluRay is going to get absolutely nothing just like UMDs!
BluRay is going to get absolutely nothing just like UMDs!
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on March 20, 2007, 20:43:29 PM
Post by: neXus on March 20, 2007, 20:43:29 PM
Quote from: Poison_UKI think I will wait for this release then, Ive allready got a HD-DVD player/recorded downstairs so no real need for the £50 add-on.
BluRay is going to get absolutely nothing just like UMDs!
Yeah looking at it now blue ray is going to loose out I think, better but just to dam expensive
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on March 20, 2007, 20:56:18 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on March 20, 2007, 20:56:18 PM
Id be suprised if Blu-ray misses out TBH.
Its the Perfect Anti Piracy for a Start
Computers get HD-DVD & movie studios get Blue-Ray
The extra sales from hard to pirate, will easily offset the higher production expense.
I would guess one thing Electronic Manufacturers do want to do is drive a wedge between Computing/gaming & Movie Watching.
IMO Blue-Ray has the bigger & better groups backing it than HD-DVD does.
Its also worth remembering that the price is quoted in $. The PS3 is just $20 more & you get a next Gen Movie player for that as well ;-D
Its the Perfect Anti Piracy for a Start
Computers get HD-DVD & movie studios get Blue-Ray
The extra sales from hard to pirate, will easily offset the higher production expense.
I would guess one thing Electronic Manufacturers do want to do is drive a wedge between Computing/gaming & Movie Watching.
IMO Blue-Ray has the bigger & better groups backing it than HD-DVD does.
Its also worth remembering that the price is quoted in $. The PS3 is just $20 more & you get a next Gen Movie player for that as well ;-D
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Deaths Head on March 20, 2007, 23:08:14 PM
Post by: Deaths Head on March 20, 2007, 23:08:14 PM
Hard to pirate? There are Bluray rips flying around the tinternet...
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Cypher on March 20, 2007, 23:21:27 PM
Post by: Cypher on March 20, 2007, 23:21:27 PM
The HDMI is no suprise, we knew that was in the pipeworks from the spy shots. I think this has made my mind up about the 360 for me. Been thinking about a premium pack for some time now.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: madmax on March 21, 2007, 01:22:08 AM
Post by: madmax on March 21, 2007, 01:22:08 AM
both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have been opened up, check that doom9 or the makers of Any DVD seeing as theyve made a HD-dvd / bluray version now.
anyhow, ooo black xbox... pretty, may have to replace the current one with it, heh.
anyhow, ooo black xbox... pretty, may have to replace the current one with it, heh.
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on March 21, 2007, 09:24:22 AM
Post by: Eggtastico on March 21, 2007, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Deaths HeadHard to pirate? There are Bluray rips flying around the tinternet...
Im well aware that both encryptions have been hacked open for quite a while. I got tons of hidef stuff here.
but if BlueRay was only for Movies & Consoles & HD-DVD for Computers, It would put a huge dent in your average Joe Pirating stuff.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Beaker on March 21, 2007, 09:28:58 AM
Post by: Beaker on March 21, 2007, 09:28:58 AM
Quote from: EggtasticoId be suprised if Blu-ray misses out TBH.BluRay has been cracked, itll be wide open by the end of the year at the very latest. If they do decide to change the central key then all it will do is give the DVD Copy folks at places like Doom9 another target, and i gather itll mean they can then break anything. If a 3rd central key is generated they are guaranteed to break it to the point its completely useless. Reason being is that people who have bought the early players are not going to accept not being able to buy newer films, so the new keys would need to be compatible with the older keys.
Its the Perfect Anti Piracy for a Start
Computers get HD-DVD & movie studios get Blue-Ray
The extra sales from hard to pirate, will easily offset the higher production expense.
I would guess one thing Electronic Manufacturers do want to do is drive a wedge between Computing/gaming & Movie Watching.
IMO Blue-Ray has the bigger & better groups backing it than HD-DVD does.
Its also worth remembering that the price is quoted in $. The PS3 is just $20 more & you get a next Gen Movie player for that as well ;-D
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Poison_UK on March 21, 2007, 12:46:27 PM
Post by: Poison_UK on March 21, 2007, 12:46:27 PM
Its all fun it gives the Encryption Geeks something new to crack and then the Pirates higher quality copies :)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on March 21, 2007, 13:42:58 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on March 21, 2007, 13:42:58 PM
seems you have missed my point
If there was no BlueRay Drives for PCs - IE they was restricted for Entertainment machines only, Then it would stump your Average Joe Downloader
If there was no BlueRay Drives for PCs - IE they was restricted for Entertainment machines only, Then it would stump your Average Joe Downloader
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on March 21, 2007, 13:49:07 PM
Post by: neXus on March 21, 2007, 13:49:07 PM
Quote from: Eggtasticoseems you have missed my point
If there was no BlueRay Drives for PCs - IE they was restricted for Entertainment machines only, Then it would stump your Average Joe Downloader
They are already on the way
Xbox and MS will win win with this tbh, Better features bit cleaner, better chips and only a little more then premium now and tbh the external hd drive is a good thing because it is portable you could whip it out take it around your m8es or what ever and wath a movie via their pc or xbox360 rather then the whole thing
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on March 21, 2007, 18:38:13 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on March 21, 2007, 18:38:13 PM
Quote from: neXusQuote from: Eggtasticoseems you have missed my point
If there was no BlueRay Drives for PCs - IE they was restricted for Entertainment machines only, Then it would stump your Average Joe Downloader
They are already on the way
Xbox and MS will win win with this tbh, Better features bit cleaner, better chips and only a little more then premium now and tbh the external hd drive is a good thing because it is portable you could whip it out take it around your m8es or what ever and wath a movie via their pc or xbox360 rather then the whole thing
Didanyone READ THE POST
Try re-reading what I said.
Its not a win win for microsoft at all.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Cypher on March 21, 2007, 18:56:16 PM
Post by: Cypher on March 21, 2007, 18:56:16 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: DEViANCE on March 27, 2007, 23:24:19 PM
Post by: DEViANCE on March 27, 2007, 23:24:19 PM
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2007/03/elite1.jpg)
Weve got a couple spy shots hot off the production line in China of the Xbox 360 Elite. They were taken with a cellphone so the shots arent of the highest quality, but they get the job done. The site hosting the thread is TGFCer, which stands for "TV Game Fans Club", and according to our tipster, is one of the biggest Chinese bbs for video game enthusiasts. A later shot was provided of the top of the hard drive, and you can barely make out the "12" in "120G HDD" due to over exposure, but with some Photoshop wizardry (Command+I, or Control+I for PC users) we were able to get the text to become more apparent. More pictures (including aforementioned inverted color shot) after the break.
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2007/03/elite2.jpg)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2007/03/elite3.jpg)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2007/03/elite4normal.jpg)
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2007/03/elite4inverted.jpg)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on March 28, 2007, 12:13:13 PM
Post by: neXus on March 28, 2007, 12:13:13 PM
Its official now:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360elitesystem/default.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6502421.stm
(http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/xboxelite.jpg)
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360elitesystem/default.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6502421.stm
Quote* Xbox 360 Elite console: The Xbox 360 Elite is equipped with a premium black finish and three powerful core processors capable of producing the best in HD entertainment (up to 1080p, like any Xbox 360), 16:9 cinematic aspect ratio, anti-aliasing for smooth textures, full surround sound, HDMI output and DVD playback with upscaling capabilities right out of the box.
* Xbox 360 120GB hard drive: The huge 120GB detachable hard drive allows gamers to save their games and store television shows, movies, music, pictures, trailers, extra game levels, demos and other content available from Xbox Live Marketplace.
* Xbox 360 Wireless Controller (black): The sleek black finish of this high-performance wireless controller matches the style of the Elite Console. It has a range of up to 30 feet and a battery life of 30 hours on two AA batteries.
* Xbox 360 headset (black): Now available in black, the headset lets you strategize while playing together online or trade taunts with your opponents. You can also send voice messages to friends on Xbox Live.
* Xbox 360 HDMIcable: New to Xbox 360, HDMI lets you get HD video (up to 1080p) and multichannel surround sound, all from one cable.
* Xbox Live Silver Membership: With this, gamers can chat with friends online, collect achievements and gamerscores, send and receive voice and text messages, and access Xbox Live Marketplace content such as game demos, HD movies and TV, as well as the best in downloadable games from Xbox Live Arcade.
* One-month subscription to Xbox Live Gold: An Xbox Live Gold Membership provides a complete online entertainment experience. Subscribe to this premium service and engage in competitive online multiplayer matches, tailor your matchmaking via feedback and accomplishments, chat with more than one person at a time, and take advantage of unique privileges in Xbox Live Marketplace and Xbox Live Arcade.
(http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/xboxelite.jpg)
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Mardoni on March 28, 2007, 12:26:06 PM
Post by: Mardoni on March 28, 2007, 12:26:06 PM
Those cables look interesting and answer quite a few questions people have had about how the audio would work alongside HDMI.
From those pictures it looks like you have the HDMI cable for video and then the standard VGA output for purely stereo/optical audio out.
I wonder whether there is any audio on the HDMI output, I for one would be a little pissed if I had to use 2 cables to my receiver when 1 wouldve done. But then having HDMI video is better than not.
I wonder if there will be any sort of audio-sync settings in the 360 ? That is the one area I have had problems with when using HDMI and optical from my DVD player.
The HDMI goes straight into the TV with the audio going via my receiver. This introduces (at worst) a 3-5ms lip-sync delay. I can compensate for this on the receiver but those who are HDMI->TV, Optical->AMP may well be screwed !
From those pictures it looks like you have the HDMI cable for video and then the standard VGA output for purely stereo/optical audio out.
I wonder whether there is any audio on the HDMI output, I for one would be a little pissed if I had to use 2 cables to my receiver when 1 wouldve done. But then having HDMI video is better than not.
I wonder if there will be any sort of audio-sync settings in the 360 ? That is the one area I have had problems with when using HDMI and optical from my DVD player.
The HDMI goes straight into the TV with the audio going via my receiver. This introduces (at worst) a 3-5ms lip-sync delay. I can compensate for this on the receiver but those who are HDMI->TV, Optical->AMP may well be screwed !
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Rivkid on March 28, 2007, 12:55:17 PM
Post by: Rivkid on March 28, 2007, 12:55:17 PM
I thought HDMI carried audio as well?
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Mardoni on March 28, 2007, 14:12:56 PM
Post by: Mardoni on March 28, 2007, 14:12:56 PM
Its does but in some (my) case, my receiver doesnt take HDMI and my TV doesnt output a digital audio feed. As a result I use HDMI for video (TV) and optical for audio (receiver).
I wouldve thought that there are quite a few people in this position; at least those who use a stand-alone amp for their HT audio. They will want the HDMI direct to TV with seperate optical for audio (which appears to be supported looking at those cables) but how will they cope with lipsync issues ?
I wouldve thought that there are quite a few people in this position; at least those who use a stand-alone amp for their HT audio. They will want the HDMI direct to TV with seperate optical for audio (which appears to be supported looking at those cables) but how will they cope with lipsync issues ?
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on March 28, 2007, 14:24:11 PM
Post by: neXus on March 28, 2007, 14:24:11 PM
I think they just by the sounds of it just gave you every option in case one thing does not work out more then it being a fiddle due to limitations.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on March 28, 2007, 14:29:57 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on March 28, 2007, 14:29:57 PM
My projector has no sound output, but does have HDMI
Anyway....skip the crap, When are they coming to the UK?
Anyway....skip the crap, When are they coming to the UK?
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 28, 2007, 14:59:19 PM
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 28, 2007, 14:59:19 PM
id have one just cos its black tbh lol
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Mardoni on March 28, 2007, 15:57:00 PM
Post by: Mardoni on March 28, 2007, 15:57:00 PM
No UK release date yet :(
Binary, Halfords do cans of silk black and clear for about £3 a pop ;)
Binary, Halfords do cans of silk black and clear for about £3 a pop ;)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: soopahfly on March 28, 2007, 17:26:47 PM
Post by: soopahfly on March 28, 2007, 17:26:47 PM
Going to look at a Black Knights replacement console case/controller cases.
Also, its better to use plastic dye than spray paint ;)
Also, its better to use plastic dye than spray paint ;)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on March 28, 2007, 18:52:43 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on March 28, 2007, 18:52:43 PM
Quote from: soopahflyGoing to look at a Black Knights replacement console case/controller cases.
Also, its better to use plastic dye than spray paint ;)
divineo sell them
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Chanser on March 29, 2007, 03:37:21 AM
Post by: Chanser on March 29, 2007, 03:37:21 AM
If this sells for £350 then Im more tempted to buy a PS3 instead. The cheapest PS3 in the UK is selling for £399 or less, with Blu-Ray its even more tempting.
But the Elite has bigger hard drive and a solid online service. :?
The separate hard drive is a joke, its too expensive, if you look online for a equivalent its much cheaper.
But the Elite has bigger hard drive and a solid online service. :?
The separate hard drive is a joke, its too expensive, if you look online for a equivalent its much cheaper.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on March 29, 2007, 11:12:52 AM
Post by: neXus on March 29, 2007, 11:12:52 AM
Quote from: ChanserThe separate hard drive is a joke, its too expensive, if you look online for a equivalent its much cheaper.
Actually no, its doing very well, It not only works in the 360 but also works on any 360 as well as pc use as well so you have a hd player for your pc as well as a result and seems to perform very well from reviews.
HD will win the hd disk war as well becuase it is cheaper now and can get cheaper faster and blue ray is just expensive all round.
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Mardoni on March 29, 2007, 11:45:39 AM
Post by: Mardoni on March 29, 2007, 11:45:39 AM
He said hard disk, not HD drive ;)
and I agree with both of you atm.
The HDD is too expensive for what it is but there are ways to use a generic HDD instead of a M$ one.
The HD-DVD drive is at a great price point if you want to get into HD Movies without spending $$$ on a player :)
and I agree with both of you atm.
The HDD is too expensive for what it is but there are ways to use a generic HDD instead of a M$ one.
The HD-DVD drive is at a great price point if you want to get into HD Movies without spending $$$ on a player :)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: madmax on March 29, 2007, 23:25:27 PM
Post by: madmax on March 29, 2007, 23:25:27 PM
me thinks you should tell us more about these ways to get generic HDDs on ;)
think theyre 2.5" satas normally
think theyre 2.5" satas normally
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Leon on March 30, 2007, 01:36:14 AM
Post by: Leon on March 30, 2007, 01:36:14 AM
Im also interested in the cheap and cheerful solution :)
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Mardoni on March 30, 2007, 09:45:22 AM
Post by: Mardoni on March 30, 2007, 09:45:22 AM
For those who are interested.... (http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=13876)
Ive not tried it myself; Ive still got somewhere ~8gb spare on my HDD :o I delete the crap ;)
Ive not tried it myself; Ive still got somewhere ~8gb spare on my HDD :o I delete the crap ;)
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: madmax on April 01, 2007, 00:04:45 AM
Post by: madmax on April 01, 2007, 00:04:45 AM
though itd let you use any size, gah.
suppose theyll be a 120GB version of this soon enough :mrgreen:
suppose theyll be a 120GB version of this soon enough :mrgreen:
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on April 13, 2007, 19:57:00 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on April 13, 2007, 19:57:00 PM
unconfirmed reports suggest the Elite wont arrive in the UK til November.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: madmax on April 13, 2007, 20:45:05 PM
Post by: madmax on April 13, 2007, 20:45:05 PM
well that would truely suck, un synced releases bite.
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on April 13, 2007, 21:27:57 PM
Post by: neXus on April 13, 2007, 21:27:57 PM
Quote from: Eggtasticounconfirmed reports suggest the Elite wont arrive in the UK til November.
Thats ok in time for xmas may be a good thing for its sales and my hand may be fixed by then so Ill get one if I am still in the UK
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Cypher on April 22, 2007, 15:45:07 PM
Post by: Cypher on April 22, 2007, 15:45:07 PM
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/news/inside_the_xbox_360_elite.htm
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on April 22, 2007, 17:23:13 PM
Post by: neXus on April 22, 2007, 17:23:13 PM
I may not be able to play it but will be getting it and the hd dvd player for movies and then when my hand works play halo 3
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on April 22, 2007, 20:24:55 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on April 22, 2007, 20:24:55 PM
Someone paid over $4000 for an elite on Ebay!!
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: neXus on April 22, 2007, 20:37:37 PM
Post by: neXus on April 22, 2007, 20:37:37 PM
Quote from: EggtasticoSomeone paid over $4000 for an elite on Ebay!!Probably becuase he is an idiot and cant wait 10 days for it to come out and be like a few hundred $
Title: Re:Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Eggtastico on April 22, 2007, 20:53:31 PM
Post by: Eggtastico on April 22, 2007, 20:53:31 PM
Quote from: neXusQuote from: EggtasticoSomeone paid over $4000 for an elite on Ebay!!Probably becuase he is an idiot and cant wait 10 days for it to come out and be like a few hundred $
or some spoilt kids birthday is before the release date?
Title: Xbox 360 Elite
Post by: Deaths Head on April 22, 2007, 20:54:33 PM
Post by: Deaths Head on April 22, 2007, 20:54:33 PM
Or someone bid silly money and wont actually pay.