D Day...
When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say,
For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our Today
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_Day
i might watch shaving ryans privates later
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Many thousands of good men died so you could act like a bellend... remember that, son...
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Many thousands of good men died so you could act like a bellend... remember that, son...
Seconded.
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Many thousands of good men died so you could act like a bellend... remember that, son...
No many millions of men, women and children died because of one f**king nutter and a sh*tload of propaganda.
Its not something to be proud of, it certainly isnt something to be celebrated not remembered/commemorated.
What is to be celebrated is on the 11th of november. The end of a tyrants reign, and the end of 2 wars that cost the world more lives than any other event in the history of time.
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Many thousands of good men died so you could act like a bellend... remember that, son...
No many millions of men, women and children died because of one f**king nutter and a sh*tload of propaganda.
Its not something to be proud of, it certainly isnt something to be celebrated not remembered/commemorated.
What? the men who died on that day deserved to be remembered, as do all of the people who died, it just so happens D-day was better remembered than most because of the horrific death toll and also its strategic importance...
sorry, sir... ill ask your permission before i make a comment next time...
oh yes, and while im here, who the f**k are you to say that we shouldnt be proud of the men who fell on that day? Theyve done more for the freedom of this country than you or i will ever do... and as brummie said, it wasnt one nutter and propoganda, dont be so naive.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adQuote from: BadabingQuote from: redi might watch shaving ryans privates later
Many thousands of good men died so you could act like a bellend... remember that, son...
No many millions of men, women and children died because of one f**king nutter and a sh*tload of propaganda.
Its not something to be proud of, it certainly isnt something to be celebrated not remembered/commemorated.
What is to be celebrated is on the 11th of november. The end of a tyrants reign, and the end of 2 wars that cost the world more lives than any other event in the history of time.
it isnt a celebration of war. Its the remebernce of things that had to be done and of people who lost their lives fighting for the freedom of others.
i sometimes look at the world we live in and wonder if those that fought and lost their lives would be so quick to do it again if they knew what they were fighting for the world to become.
It wasnt one nutter. there were thousands of nutters and even more nutters that followed the nutters.
17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
Quote from: maximusotter17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
you disgust me.
Quote from: MaldonadoQuote from: maximusotter17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
you disgust me.
Why should we commemorate some dead and forget others? Dont forget to burn a ribeye for Jesus at 5:43PM to honor the dead in the Boston nightclub fire of 42. Buck Jones is hungry and needs his smoke.
Quote from: maximusotterQuote from: MaldonadoQuote from: maximusotter17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
you disgust me.
Why should we commemorate some dead and forget others? Dont forget to burn a ribeye for Jesus at 5:43PM to honor the dead in the Boston nightclub fire of 42. Buck Jones is hungry and needs his smoke.
If you fail to recognise the significance of D-day, then congratulations on making yet another steroetype of Americans that little bit more distinct :D
Quote from: maximusotter17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
you do act like a complete twat sometimes max
Quote from: DaveQuote from: maximusotter17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
you do act like a complete twat sometimes max
Will you remember to commemorate the tsunami victims this year? Will you honor the 45, 000 that died in the recent Iranian earthquake? How about the 3,000 children who will die today because of hunger in Africa?
No? Then tell me, why do you value a small number of dead from half a century ago more than todays lives? Ill tell you why: because with retrospect, history becomes more black and white, and "remembering" the dead and their reason for dying becomes easier and more abstract with time.
Were the men of D-day brave? Some were, some sh*t their pants, Id be of the latter group. Is it historically important? Yup. Are those lives worth honoring more than any other? No.
Quote from: maximusotterQuote from: DaveQuote from: maximusotter17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
you do act like a complete twat sometimes max
Will you remember to commemorate the tsunami victims this year? Will you honor the 45, 000 that died in the recent Iranian earthquake? How about the 3,000 children who will die today because of hunger in Africa?
No? Then tell me, why do you value a small number of dead from half a century ago more than todays lives? Ill tell you why: because with retrospect, history becomes more black and white, and "remembering" the dead and their reason for dying becomes easier and more abstract with time.
Were the men of D-day brave? Some were, some sh*t their pants, Id be of the latter group. Is it historically important? Yup. Are those lives worth honoring more than any other? No.
tsunami vistims etc didnt "give" their life willingly so i could live mine
Why?
Why:
MONTEITH, JIMMIE W., JR., First Lieutenant, U.S. Army, 16th Infantry, 1st Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Colleville-sur-Mer, France, 6 June 1944. Entered service at: Richmond, Va. Born: 1 July 1917, Low Moor, Va. G.O. No.: 20, 29 March 1945. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty on 6 June 1944, near Colleville-sur-Mer, France. 1st Lt. Monteith landed with the initial assault waves on the coast of France under heavy enemy fire. Without regard to his own personal safety he continually moved up and down the beach reorganizing men for further assault. He then led the assault over a narrow protective ledge and across the flat, exposed terrain to the comparative safety of a cliff. Retracing his steps across the field to the beach, he moved over to where 2 tanks were buttoned up and blind under violent enemy artillery and machinegun fire. Completely exposed to the intense fire, 1st Lt. Monteith led the tanks on foot through a minefield and into firing positions. Under his direction several enemy positions were destroyed. He then rejoined his company and under his leadership his men captured an advantageous position on the hill. Supervising the defense of his newly won position against repeated vicious counterattacks, he continued to ignore his own personal safety, repeatedly crossing the 200 or 300 yards of open terrain under heavy fire to strengthen links in his defensive chain. When the enemy succeeded in completely surrounding 1st Lt. Monteith and his unit and while leading the fight out of the situation, 1st Lt. Monteith was killed by enemy fire. The courage, gallantry, and intrepid leadership displayed by 1st Lt. Monteith is worthy of emulation.
I dont think anything else in history can really compare to the massive loss of life that took place during WW1 & WW2. The landings at normandy were a massive event - had they failed then we could well be living very different lives so excuse me if I want to reflect upon the sacrifices made by millions on our behalf throughout WW2 on days such as D-Day and VE day etc... Some of the people involved are still alive today and we ought to be grateful for what they went through back then.
Quote from: brummietsunami vistims etc didnt "give" their life willingly so i could live mine
Yawn.
Neither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.
You all might think Im being a cold dick. What Im doing is serving as the asshole that remind you to not fetishise death. The catastrophic failure of the United States over the last five years is due to that, the fetishisation of 9/11. Remember history, learn from it, and all dead are equal.
Max youve gone off at a left wing tangent here...
where, ANYWHERE, did i say that one life is worth more than another?
I didnt...
I am merely saying that we should remember the lads who died on D-day all those years ago and remember those who died in subsequent campaigns... Just because you dont agree with YOUR countries war in Iraq, under no circumstances do you have the right to have a dig at men who died to liberate Europe; a cheap shot if ever there was one...
Quote from: maximusotterQuote from: brummietsunami vistims etc didnt "give" their life willingly so i could live mine
Yawn.
Neither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.
thats not heroic, thats necessity :roll:
Quote from: maximusotterNeither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.
aside from the hunderds of thousands of people who stood up for what the believed in and volunteered
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Yawn.
Neither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.
thats not heroic, thats necessity :roll:
Necessity is what kept the living D-day boys alive. Kill or be killed.
Big deal. The British have ceremony obsession.
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Many thousands of good men died so you could act like a bellend... remember that, son...
No many millions of men, women and children died because of one f**king nutter and a sh*tload of propaganda.
Its not something to be proud of, it certainly isnt something to be celebrated not remembered/commemorated.
What? the men who died on that day deserved to be remembered, as do all of the people who died, it just so happens D-day was better remembered than most because of the horrific death toll and also its strategic importance...
sorry, sir... ill ask your permission before i make a comment next time...
oh yes, and while im here, who the f**k are you to say that we shouldnt be proud of the men who fell on that day? Theyve done more for the freedom of this country than you or i will ever do... and as brummie said, it wasnt one nutter and propoganda, dont be so naive.
So effectively your saying its better to remember the death of those men, rather than what they achieved. Well done there... Lets all celebrate the mass loss of lives.
What I was saying is that they are remembered... they are remembered on the 11th of november for the peace that they were responsible in bringing to us, and for preserving the freedom they fought for.
What your proclaiming is that we hold a big party to celebrate that our ancestors got shot to sh*te on a beach in a damn foreign land, away from their loved ones.
Because of yes... ONE NUTTER and his propaganda. Granted his party members would need to be nutters also but they arent the ones who decided to go ahead with the war, they were acting under the grand nutter.. the big nutter in the house, the moustache wielding cock that was Hitler. His propaganda and pollution of his nations minds against that of the Jews, Gays, Artists, and other "non-clean" cultures is how he fueled his armies. Hitler Youth again... another method to pollute the minds of the children in his country.
No thanks. I prefer to celebrate and commemorate what they achieved... not the brutal crap they went through.
Oh.. and im available via pm, email or heck just post a thread in here next time you want permission if you feel as if you have to ask me. Cheers.
Can we call this as maximusotter 0 - everyone else 1, and call it a day?
Quote from: maximusotterBig deal. The British have ceremony obsession.
I was mostly following your argument even if I felt the delivery was a tad off until you decided to make the mistake of painting an entire nation with one brush. Dear oh dear.
Quote from: maximusotterBig deal. The British have ceremony obsession.
mmm
so no fireworks go up your way on 4th of July at all then?
people with very weak connections to ireland dont get drunk and march through new york on st paddys day ?
nah tis just the brits who have ceremony obsession
A ceremony obsession is much better than an energy obsession that is slowly killing the rest of us!
Quote from: MaldonadoCan we call this as maximusotter 0 - everyone else 1, and call it a day?
Not really because you arent the spokesperson for my opinion... let alone "everyone else".
He has some valid points there, granted his "ceremony obcession" line was uncalled for but we are all guilty of painting americans with the same brush so theres no difference between us.
I have great respect for all allied soldiers who landed on the beaches of Normandy that day even more so after I had first watched the landing scene from Saving Private Ryan as it helped me to get a slight glimpse of what it would have been like for them.
They have my respect just for stepping off the landing craft let alone having to fight.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adbut we are all guilty of painting americans with the same brush so theres no difference between us.
speak for yourself :roll:
Quote from: brummieQuote from: M3ta7h3adbut we are all guilty of painting americans with the same brush so theres no difference between us.
speak for yourself :roll:
QFE
Quote from: Chris HalpinQuote from: brummieQuote from: M3ta7h3adbut we are all guilty of painting americans with the same brush so theres no difference between us.
speak for yourself :roll:
QFE
If you can hand on heart say that you havent said a comment after saying "americans.." or "america" then fair cop.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adQuote from: Chris HalpinQuote from: brummieQuote from: M3ta7h3adbut we are all guilty of painting americans with the same brush so theres no difference between us.
speak for yourself :roll:
QFE
If you can hand on heart say that you havent said a comment after saying "americans.." or "america" then fair cop.
it was a bit of sarcasm. He previously posted the same thing.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adQuote from: MaldonadoCan we call this as maximusotter 0 - everyone else 1, and call it a day?
Not really because you arent the spokesperson for my opinion... let alone "everyone else".
He has some valid points there, granted his "ceremony obcession" line was uncalled for but we are all guilty of painting americans with the same brush so theres no difference between us.
there.
aye fair cop :)
Quote from: MaldonadoCan we call this as maximusotter 0 - everyone else 1, and call it a day?
Fine by me. Although I make it about 0-15 by now....
Quote from: DaveQuote from: maximusotter17 people died in an explosion in Bahgdad yesterday. Make sure to light a candle and stand on one foot for them. Tomorrow Ill be throwing 1/4 of a dead chicken at the wall to commemorate six Chinese that died of hemmoroids in 56.
you do act like a complete twat sometimes max
Except its a valid point, it certainly isnt the number who died that we celebrate or the injured. TBH, taken to the basest point, it was just two loads of men trying to kill each other. Within a few years the Christmas tsunami will be a distant memory and the New Orleans floods will be virtually forgotten except for the place being a bad place to set up home.
Quote from: MaldonadoWhy?
Why:
MONTEITH, JIMMIE W., JR.,
Im a Montieth too :)
No known relation to Kelly, the supposed commedian, though...
Quote from: brummieQuote from: maximusotterQuote from: brummietsunami vistims etc didnt "give" their life willingly so i could live mine
Yawn.
Neither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.
thats not heroic, thats necessity :roll:
She could just give up but thats not the point, she did whatever she had to for her child to survive, not herself, thats the point of heroisim, you might not survive.
Quote from: MaldonadoCan we call this as maximusotter 0 - everyone else 1, and call it a day?
No, best you can hope for is a 1-1 draw...
Quote from: maximusotterBig deal. The British have ceremony obsession.
True, but so do the Americans. They have to nick the British music though :P
badabing - your comment i felt was unjust.
having family who served on those beaches i feel it may not give a right to preach, or put myself on a pedastool. however such behaviour will alienate people from our community.
please remember not everyone remembers the same things when dealing with everyday events. fair enough i did a massive amount of charity work, performing a lot of charity galas, blitz balls and rememberance parade.
from birth i have had to remember what has happened, and i can assure you, knowing this.
we have to move on, remember yes. remind those what happened, but still move on. for its what society needs. not to look backwards. but to look forwards.
and name calling, ostracising someone or arguing what life is more important. some innocents or someone who was conscripted. you cannot compare human life.
Quote from: redwe have to move on, remember yes. remind those what happened, but still move on. for its what society needs. not to look backwards. but to look forwards.
the country/world is gowing down the pan, all we have left is our history !
Max has a point, just because it doesnt have the impact on him as it does to others doesnt open the flood gates to the kind of abuse above.
For example, personally I think the hillsborough disaster was tragic, im not going to scald someone who doesnt give a toss though.
Besides you think anyone in the world other than your family and friends is going to remember you when you die? Youre a one in a million if they do.
Its a hard world, accept it.
Quote from: matt5cottMax has a point, just because it doesnt have the impact on him as it does to others doesnt open the flood gates to the kind of abuse above.
I think it does, if he takes for granted the sacrifices made by our grandparents etc.. then he should be reminded
all of my grandfathers friends were tied to trees and used for bayonet practise by the enemy (while they were still alive)
anyone who isnt grateful for that, or anyone who doesnt respect that, should be tied to a tree and used like that themselves.
people get run over and die every day and no-one remembers... but if someone gets run over saving a child from being run over, then that should be remembered.
Quote from: knightypeople get run over and die every day and no-one remembers... but if someone gets run over saving a child from being run over, then that should be remembered.
Unfortunately they never do.
A person who runs into a house after a missing child and comes out with that child is a hero, a person who runs into a burning house and comes out in a body bag was a fool. Such are the ways in life.