Quote from: Eggtastico on March 25, 2011, 20:41:30 PM

labour did encourage banks to lend money. It should never be possible for someone to borrow 5,6 or 7times their salary for a mortgage - its economical suicide.
It also drove up inflation, but thats a different arguement.
As for available credit, Just walk into any shop that offers items on tick. Currys, Comet, PCWorld, etc. even catalogs like
littlewoods, kays & next. Then theres Credit cards like citibank, capital one, etc. Credit was to easy to obtain.  It all allowed for iresponsible borrowing.
That is Labours fault for allowing banks to self regulate themselves which was introduced in 1995.

And the Tories would not have allowed it? I think not. There have been far too many cases of business people claiming they are responsible enough adults to self regulate then, when the government allows it, proving that they were nothing of the sort, no government seems immune from that.

Already the Tories have had to do one very embarrassing U turn over ownership/running of the national forests.

Serious, even an ardent Labour supporter such as yourself cannot deny these simple facts.

1. The Labour government where the party in power when the economy when to sh*t. FACT
2. Whoever came in power next, Labour or Tories, would have to go about reducing our crippling deficit. FACT
3. Whatever was enacted in (2) would not be popular with some people. FACT

Now, I wish Labour "voters" (I quote mark that because I don't believe anyone with the intelligence to vote would ever vote Labour willingly), would get off their high horse, admit it was their party that caused this diabolical mess with their ridiculous overspending, and then give the Tories a chance to sort it out. I find it absolutely incredible the Tories haven't even been in power for a year and yet Labourites are blaming them for their own mess !!! Incredible! It just sums up the avg level of intelligence of a Labour voter (nil).

Good post

Quote from: Sam on March 28, 2011, 22:55:40 PM
Serious, even an ardent Labour supporter such as yourself cannot deny these simple facts.

1. The Labour government where the party in power when the economy when to sh*t. FACT
2. Whoever came in power next, Labour or Tories, would have to go about reducing our crippling deficit. FACT
3. Whatever was enacted in (2) would not be popular with some people. FACT

Now, I wish Labour "voters" (I quote mark that because I don't believe anyone with the intelligence to vote would ever vote Labour willingly), would get off their high horse, admit it was their party that caused this diabolical mess with their ridiculous overspending, and then give the Tories a chance to sort it out. I find it absolutely incredible the Tories haven't even been in power for a year and yet Labourites are blaming them for their own mess !!! Incredible! It just sums up the avg level of intelligence of a Labour voter (nil).

Quote from: Sam on March 28, 2011, 22:55:40 PM
Serious, even an ardent Labour supporter such as yourself cannot deny these simple facts.

1. The Labour government where the party in power when the economy when to sh*t. FACT
2. Whoever came in power next, Labour or Tories, would have to go about reducing our crippling deficit. FACT
3. Whatever was enacted in (2) would not be popular with some people. FACT

Now, I wish Labour "voters" (I quote mark that because I don't believe anyone with the intelligence to vote would ever vote Labour willingly), would get off their high horse, admit it was their party that caused this diabolical mess with their ridiculous overspending, and then give the Tories a chance to sort it out. I find it absolutely incredible the Tories haven't even been in power for a year and yet Labourites are blaming them for their own mess !!! Incredible! It just sums up the avg level of intelligence of a Labour voter (nil).

1) Yes, but, would it have been any better under the Tories or worse? We had a lot of good years under labour, no recession every 4 years. Truth is it was better under Labour for the vast majority.

2) True, but, did we really need such swinging cuts and tax increases? Effectively what they did was stunt the recovery which would have provided funds eventually.

3) What was enacted in 2 was unpopular because it was excessive. It is obviously unpopular with the majority of people.

Anyone with at least a £100,000 yearly income should consider voting Tory, that is the party for the RICH. Anyone else should consider voting for Libdem, Labour or some other political option. People willingly vote Labour because it's a BETTER option for them. The mess was sorting itself out, the Tories made it far worse again!

To be honest the situation wasn't good when the Tories took over, but they immediately sat down and planned to make it much worse. If they didn't plan to make it worse they were and are totally incompetent.

I only see this coalition lasting because it's their only way to keep in power, once they get pushed, at the next election or sooner, don't expect them back for a very long time.

The only people better off under Labour are the work shy. That includes people who join unions. I have no time for this "the man is out to get me" nonsense ideas that the unions through around.

Quote from: Serious on March 29, 2011, 05:51:32 AM

Quote from: Sam on March 28, 2011, 22:55:40 PM
Serious, even an ardent Labour supporter such as yourself cannot deny these simple facts.

1. The Labour government where the party in power when the economy when to sh*t. FACT
2. Whoever came in power next, Labour or Tories, would have to go about reducing our crippling deficit. FACT
3. Whatever was enacted in (2) would not be popular with some people. FACT

Now, I wish Labour "voters" (I quote mark that because I don't believe anyone with the intelligence to vote would ever vote Labour willingly), would get off their high horse, admit it was their party that caused this diabolical mess with their ridiculous overspending, and then give the Tories a chance to sort it out. I find it absolutely incredible the Tories haven't even been in power for a year and yet Labourites are blaming them for their own mess !!! Incredible! It just sums up the avg level of intelligence of a Labour voter (nil).

1) Yes, but, would it have been any better under the Tories or worse? We had a lot of good years under labour, no recession every 4 years. Truth is it was better under Labour for the vast majority.

2) True, but, did we really need such swinging cuts and tax increases? Effectively what they did was stunt the recovery which would have provided funds eventually.

3) What was enacted in 2 was unpopular because it was excessive. It is obviously unpopular with the majority of people.

Anyone with at least a £100,000 yearly income should consider voting Tory, that is the party for the RICH. Anyone else should consider voting for Libdem, Labour or some other political option. People willingly vote Labour because it's a BETTER option for them. The mess was sorting itself out, the Tories made it far worse again!

To be honest the situation wasn't good when the Tories took over, but they immediately sat down and planned to make it much worse. If they didn't plan to make it worse they were and are totally incompetent.

I only see this coalition lasting because it's their only way to keep in power, once they get pushed, at the next election or sooner, don't expect them back for a very long time.

1. Boom & Bust -Labour does it everytime - Also there was about a 40% increase in public sector workers. Create public jobs = buying votes.
2. personally for me - Yes, I would prefer the country to get back under financial control in the shortest term possible. Im still young enough not to want Labour mess
financially cripple me for the next 10-15 years with the likely hood of them coming into power again & start blowing money to buy popularity.
3. Its just the dirty students unhappy about tuition fees, those looking for a tear up & a few with nothing better to do. If you cared, you would have been there.

I dont earn anywhere near £100k, but I know Im not better off under labour. Ive been under Labour my whole working life & didnt like where the money was going to.
I'm anti-minimum wage. I didnt see the point & all it allows is companies to work out the least they can charge for something. I am not suprised that inflation has gone
through the roof since its introduction.

If labour was in charge, we still would have had a 20% VAT increase - maybe not at the 1st Budget, but most certainly at the most recent. As for Tories not doing anything
for the low earners - didnt they just increase the tax threshold by a further £800?

Quote from: Sam on March 29, 2011, 08:34:03 AM
The only people better off under Labour are the work shy. That includes people who join unions. I have no time for this "the man is out to get me" nonsense ideas that the unions through around.

If you know how to play the system a single person can get about £175 cash a week, their rent paid for & council tax paid as well as free prescriptions, glasses, dental treatment, reduced gym membership, travel cards, etc. Normal person UK Salary is £20k - about £1300 take home, deduct your mortgage/rent, council tax & the other 'freebies' you pay for, but the work shy are entitled to & see what the different is between that & the £760 monthly average the work shy person could get. Thats excluding their xmas bonus, winter fuel allowance, etc. - If they are living with someone - they normally lie & both claim, plus they get a load more for kids. Obviously not everyone plays the system & some people are on their benefits for genuine reasons.
That is the system that labour turned it into.

Couldn't agree more. And what pisses me right off is that Labour come into power, spend all our money by racking up the national debt. The Tories try to fix it (which is obviously unpopular!) and then get voted out again. In come Labour, rack up spending, country almost bankrupt again, and so the Tories come in to fix it. Sound familiar? Well it should. It happened in the 40s. It happened in the 70s. It happened in the 2000's. And it'll happen again unless this country wises up and never votes for Labour again. Which hopefully I think will happen as all the old "core" labour voters simply die off - the miners, the union lovers, etc.

Spot on.

The people bitching about the proposed cuts have no idea how the economy works, the creed of Labour is from the 'I'm alright, Jack' voter that only thinks of himself and doesn't understand the bigger picture, along with the dole-scrounging benefit cheat scum. The conservatives have tried to draw up a long term plan to get the money into business, which is exactly how you drive the economy forward again.

Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on March 30, 2011, 09:48:52 AM
dole-scrounging benefit cheat scum.

I have little interest in politics but I would vote for the first time for a party proving to be knocking this on the head, and removing 'breeder' as a legitimate career path.