over night UK and US cruise missiles have killed 60people and injured over 100, is that not murder?

The 110 cruise missles that have been fired cost in excess of $250million just for the missiles.

Quote from: Quixoticish on March 20, 2011, 09:29:03 AMDoes no-one else feel we have a moral duty to help because we can?

exactly!

Quote from: knighty on March 20, 2011, 13:00:32 PM

Quote from: Quixoticish on March 20, 2011, 09:29:03 AMDoes no-one else feel we have a moral duty to help because we can?

exactly!

If we where going to take action we should have done so a month ago when I put the other 'libya' post on this very sub forum.

Quote from: DEViANCE on March 20, 2011, 09:43:09 AM
over night UK and US cruise missiles have killed 60people and injured over 100, is that not murder?

The 110 cruise missles that have been fired cost in excess of $250million just for the missiles.

Those are unconfirmed reports and most likely Gaddafi propaganda BS, still it is unlikely that there will be 0 civilian casualties after all of this.

With regards to whether we should have done this? Well you only have to look at some of the videos in the link matt5cott posted to see that it is just. Shooting people with AA guns and RPG's, some of them children, deserves 112 TLAM's up his ass imo. My only hope is that we don't kill any innocents as a result of this military action, but this being war/conflict there is inevitably going to be civilian deaths.

Quote from: matt5cott on March 20, 2011, 15:22:55 PM

Quote from: knighty on March 20, 2011, 13:00:32 PM

Quote from: Quixoticish on March 20, 2011, 09:29:03 AMDoes no-one else feel we have a moral duty to help because we can?

exactly!

If we where going to take action we should have done so a month ago when I put the other 'libya' post on this very sub forum.

Precisely, however we had to wait around for the UN to pull its thumb from its collective backside. Coalition forces have obviously been ready to go for a while, the second the resolution was passed everything started moving almost immediately.

Quote from: DEViANCE on March 20, 2011, 09:43:09 AM
over night UK and US cruise missiles have killed 60people and injured over 100, is that not murder?

The 110 cruise missles that have been fired cost in excess of $250million just for the missiles.

The sad fact is now that it's started any and every piece of news must be taken with a tremendously large pinch of salt. The propaganda machine is in full swing and everyone has an agenda to push.

Quote from: Smugs on March 20, 2011, 17:40:35 PM

Quote from: DEViANCE on March 20, 2011, 09:43:09 AM
over night UK and US cruise missiles have killed 60people and injured over 100, is that not murder?

The 110 cruise missles that have been fired cost in excess of $250million just for the missiles.

Those are unconfirmed reports and most likely Gaddafi propaganda BS, still it is unlikely that there will be 0 civilian casualties after all of this.

Truth is you and I will never be able to tell. It could be Gadaffi pulls a load of bodies out of UN bombed buildings and puts photos up...

or...

it could be he blows up some suitable targets he doesn't like, moves the bodies and videos the dead 'killed by UN bombing'.

I really doubt if there will be no civillian casualties caused by allied bombing in Libya.

Really this whole action is setting a precedence, what if the American or UK government kills some of it's own protesters during civil action?

Quote from: Serious on March 24, 2011, 02:57:20 AM

Really this whole action is setting a precedence, what if the American or UK government kills some of it's own protesters during civil action?

I think it's pretty unlikely that the UK government will ever deploy RAF ground attack aircraft for crowd control purposes. The worst thing I can ever see happening in somewhere like the UK or US is some young squaddie getting scared and opening fire with his assault rifle. That wouldn't be pretty, but it's a long way from that to government ordered airstrikes on civilians.

One thing that has become clear over this is his army.
His army even before all this has come to light that it is pretty much paying foreigners to be in his army. Not quite mercenaries but most probably are but to get the army size he has/had he does not and probably for some time has not had the supporters to be able to have a decent army to keep power. He is also trying to recruit more.

There was a video I saw on the news of some captured troops and they could not even speak the national language and bodies have been black, clearly European etc.

It has now gone past protecting civilians from Gadifi and enforcing the no fly zone.

We seem to be actively helping the rebal forces which we have no right to do, there is even talks about supplying them with weapons and training.

The rebals should have organised and armed themselves properly before starting the confict.

Quote from: DEViANCE on March 30, 2011, 13:07:57 PM
It has now gone past protecting civilians from Gadifi and enforcing the no fly zone.

We seem to be actively helping the rebal forces which we have no right to do, there is even talks about supplying them with weapons and training.

The rebals should have organised and armed themselves properly before starting the confict.

Thing is, its not a rebal force. Yeah, they kinda are but these are civilians, they have no leaders at all and just fighting for their lives and freedom.
IF Gadifi force are not attacking them or retaking ground the are shelling and blowing up civilian buildings, hospitals, schools! etc.

If they loose ground he kills civilians so if arming them helps prevent that then I guess they are looking at that.