Peopleperhour.com is fine for certain fields, but for web design it a joke, it is absolutely 100% full of timewasters, cheapskates that don't understand how much time/money is involved and general sh*tkickers, half of which are foreign anyway which often causes problems in itself. I've been on there since about October and I've had only one potential job actually come through despite bidding on numerous leads and being told my well thought out briefs were good; this was for some guy wanting a website to sell his Swedish biltong ( ) which naturally ended up being a timewaster too, never got back to me after a lengthy discourse, talk of logo designs, etc. In that same time I've racked up a couple of k of real work with companies and a few people simply looking to update their site from word of mouth, etc.

I've completely given up on peopleperhour's leads now, I'll probably unsubscribe soon.

Quote from: Eggtastico on April 01, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.

Sorry Egg, this is totally not the case, They are not single guys either, they are paid nothing for a job and will be working for a company. I know, we get contacted by the companies who abuse these guys and offer their services.
The rest of your points here Egg are simply not true, sorry. Not how it goes.

Quote from: Eggtastico on April 01, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.

And we all know what the quality of work is like from Chinese or Indian IT workers.

Quote from: Sam on April 01, 2011, 10:43:59 AM

Quote from: Eggtastico on April 01, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.

And we all know what the quality of work is like from Chinese or Indian IT workers.

I am sure there are some and I am sure some people will say they are happy with the work BUT...

I know for a fact that people will go to a good company, get a quote which will be fair, have no respect for what they do and then turn to the cheapo, get it done and claim to be happy when all involved know that is not true.

One other company in the US I know very well publicly had been called out by a owner of a company for being ripped off, producing crap and things like "Just copied my competitors stuff".
The site was indeed crap but considering their portfolio of work, well respected, even just doing a podcast with Adobe etc - they are not.
These sorts of clients have no respect for the company, no idea what it takes and from what they told me he basically wanted his rivals stuff, got an amazing design (I saw it) refused it and basically indeed wanted what his rivals had and even provided their brochure highlighting everything of their design as not like his rivals etc.
I have had this more then once and I am sure Nige will also say the same.

The same sort of people will not admit they got screwed over going cheap and we have laughed at people who have turned down our quotes and gone cheap and got crap.
We even have clients who we have taken on to fix sites made by people from those sorts of bidding sites. They have learnt their lesson at least and willing to get it done properly. One of those just asked us to turn off their email notification for orders because they get far to many in a day now.

A lot of it does indeed lead to no respect though. Egg I know does not hate me personally and has offered his opinion and possible helpful things but posts echo of similar things.

Ive posted jobs on PPH - Ive only given the gigs to people who speak english as their main language.
I also offered what I thought was a fair & appropriate payment. I usually get  a lot of foreign offers
from china, india & across europe, but I also get a lot of British people & expats. The chinese/indians
undercut because they can afford to, but I know their quality of work will not be to the standards
I'd expect - especially for content articles, etc. I always put in a budget, somwhere low & sowhere near
to what I am prepared to pay - just because its easier to filter out the crap - as they are the ones asking
for the least.

I also understand people post jobs to exploit other peoples skills - but also people put up jobs with what
they can afford. I would love to have a website designed, etc. - but I dont have the £1200-£1500 it would
cost. So PPH has worked good for me.

Its just as difficult for those posting proper jobs to find a decent bidder.
Yes some of the jobs offered for the money are a joke, but there are decent paid jobs as well.
At the end of the day, pay peanuts & you get monkeys.

Can you tell me why this isnt good enough to do :-

http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Web-Designer-/66484
It seems a genuine assignment & a decent payment if you go at the top end of the offer  - you
obviously have the portfolio to go for that top end amount.