I am not normally a person to do this and I am not exactly strapped for cash and I am not looking for a Job, happy with my job.
This year I have plans and things to get - Car, Engagement ring, holiday, Tablet for work use etc. I like to roughly plan out my year and set some goals.
I do work from home freelance and overtime and I do love my PC and windows 7. BUT it is noisy and I use my TV in my bedroom as my LCD which is awesome. BUT this will be more TV and Xbox playing over PC use at some point and because of what I do a mac is a better option for my work and will help me in that regard.
Looking to get a nice imac as result.
What I need is just one nice job - UK £1500-2000 to pay for it. This could be a logo and web design or Web Design and html build or simple wordpress site design and build.
In terms of if your in the UK and getting this done, compared to a UK freelancer a decent one and decent job will cost more. This for my converted to NZ dollars will pay for the imac and help my work.
This is not a "buy me an imac" post at all but if you do have some considerations for the above type of work and have that kind of budget to get some work done please consider me, drop me a line.
Just be good to get that, use the money to progress in my work really. Cheers.
Someone asked me a little while ago if I was still doing web stuff, but I'm too busy, but said I know a few people, if it falls in that budget I'll let you know, it might not be for a couple of months though, do you have any examples I can show them if they ask?
Client still working on content but:
http://www.nzacres.org.nz/
design from 2 years ago:
http://banksiaadventures.com.au/
Huge in new zealand and their water is one of the biggest sellers in the world.
http://waiwera.co.nz/
currently building this one: http://360build.fueldesign.co.nz/ designed by me as well all of these ones.
These are within the company so boss has say on things and done to a budget.
Done on the cheaper side in wordpress:
http://www.adaptivedevelopment.com/
In terms of my work standard to date Not got to much to hand now and some if it all work in progress but if you look at the new laidlaw college logo alone here that I just did to get the idea down:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2531450/Screen%20shot%202011-03-30%20at%2011.38.24.jpg)
You can see while I just got the concept I wanted for this in my head you should see the quality in it.
I think you might be hard pushed to find a job paying that much cash when its something on the side - especially when your proper job comes first.
Maybe you could knock up some templates & try selling them. Take a look at rocket themes - http://www.rockettheme.com/ (http://www.rockettheme.com/)
They are established - but have made a ton of cash & prob the best themes I have worked with.
Alternatively can you develop an android or apple app?
there are also freelance websites about. I used peopleperhour not so long ago.
Maybe offer bundles to start up companies. x amount of pages custom website, copy written, logo design, etc.
As well as sorting out the 1st year of hosting & domain registration.
I saw an advert from a company that will design your business facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/wix?v=app_129982580378550 (http://www.facebook.com/wix?v=app_129982580378550)
Maybe its something you can do easily & cheaply. Its a single page - set a price & hit yellow pages for business.
10% consultancy fee for me btw ;o)
I would say you are going to struggle to get that kind of money out of people for a site Liam, despite the quality of your work (which is better than mine). I'm dealing with record labels and they don't want to spend that kind of cash! Everyone is incredibly tight-fisted right now here. You're better off doing lots of little jobs.
Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on March 30, 2011, 09:44:04 AM
I would say you are going to struggle to get that kind of money out of people for a site Liam, despite the quality of your work (which is better than mine). I'm dealing with record labels and they don't want to spend that kind of cash! Everyone is incredibly tight-fisted right now here. You're better off doing lots of little jobs.
exactly. I wouldnt give £1k to someone to do a job on the side when I could get it done by a reputable company. For £1k I would expect something that would have cost me £3-4k by a reputable company.
Quote from: Eggtastico on March 30, 2011, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: Clock'd 0Ne on March 30, 2011, 09:44:04 AM
I would say you are going to struggle to get that kind of money out of people for a site Liam, despite the quality of your work (which is better than mine). I'm dealing with record labels and they don't want to spend that kind of cash! Everyone is incredibly tight-fisted right now here. You're better off doing lots of little jobs.
exactly. I wouldnt give £1k to someone to do a job on the side when I could get it done by a reputable company. For £1k I would expect something that would have cost me £3-4k by a reputable company.
Egg, to your first post: Would not go get to strangers. Got freelance work here fine. Money from that already going into other things.
Trust is a big thing and if anyone here wanted work I put it here.
Your first post states people wont pay at the moment and then state they would rather pay more through a company, bit conflicting posts there Egg.
In terms of the job I would do a v good job of that quality of a company because that is what I do for a living, it is not something "on the side" as you seem to think from someone dabbling in something and looking for cash while doing it.
Simply not true.
I have an interview Thursday night about me and my work for a well known media site, You do not know me and what I do/can do so not moaning you do not respect that, you just do not know.
Just pointing this out.
If people do not want me to do any work for them fair enough, but I am seeding and hunting for a good UK job here and other locations. Not continued work, just one job to get something to help my work and I am being very honest about it.
One job done very well.
I am trying to say people wont pay that sort of money to a person for some work - if you setup a company, etc. and done it that way,
then you are more likely to get the bigger cheques. I was trying to say if a person was going to spend £1k on a job, they would use a
the 'safety net' of a company, not some bloke sitting in his study turning something out in his spare hours.
It has nothing to do with ability, or what you can do. Businesses deal with businesses, unless they can save a lot of money.
If I had carpentry working needed doing & ABC Carpentry wanted £1000, then I wouldnt expect to pay a person to do the job the same
price in their spare time. You pay for the service as a whole, as well as part of gurantee and after sales support, etc. If you done a job & there was
a problem, could the customer expect you to deal with their problem during the working hours of your normal job?
If it was that easy to make the going rate for a job, dont you think everyone would be doing it in their chosen professions?
I doubt the people who work for PC World go out after work to fix computers & charge the same rate as PC World.
Maybe explore the idea of setting up a small business & stop taking it so personal. Invest some time in yourself, get a web presence
offering web design, logo design, graphics, etc.
Trying to find a single job that pays £1k-1.5k may be a little ambitious. Maybe think of ways of how you can make £100 or £200 a week instead.
I think he's right, I've been freelancing for a while now and I simply cannot get people to want to give up that kind of cash, they will only do it to big business or in London but realistically you will be lucky to get 1k. I'm updating an IT disty's website and getting around £750 for it and it's been a month's work on and off.
People certainly won't want to pay a 'foreigner' the other side of the world that operates in opposite hours that kind of cash either. Like you said Liam a lot of it is trust and word of mouth is your best bet - most of my work comes word of mouth as people know I get things done and to a high standard, but they won't pay over the odds for my services even though it's through my own company - you just won't be able to command that kind of pricing because you have no team, no project manager with that very personal level of quick response/communication, support systems, etc, a lot of which is what is paid for in a 1.5/2k sale.
Or - cheaper iMac?
I just bought a Dual Core 3.2 for £650 delivered still under warrenty. Was slightly concerned about the spec as its for video editing and a lot of green screen processing at high res but its running lovely
Quote from: Eggtastico on March 30, 2011, 11:46:51 AM
I am trying to say people wont pay that sort of money to a person for some work - if you setup a company, etc. and done it that way,
then you are more likely to get the bigger cheques. I was trying to say if a person was going to spend £1k on a job, they would use a
the 'safety net' of a company, not some bloke sitting in his study turning something out in his spare hours.
It has nothing to do with ability, or what you can do. Businesses deal with businesses, unless they can save a lot of money.
If I had carpentry working needed doing & ABC Carpentry wanted £1000, then I wouldnt expect to pay a person to do the job the same
price in their spare time. You pay for the service as a whole, as well as part of gurantee and after sales support, etc. If you done a job & there was
a problem, could the customer expect you to deal with their problem during the working hours of your normal job?
If it was that easy to make the going rate for a job, dont you think everyone would be doing it in their chosen professions?
I doubt the people who work for PC World go out after work to fix computers & charge the same rate as PC World.
Maybe explore the idea of setting up a small business & stop taking it so personal. Invest some time in yourself, get a web presence
offering web design, logo design, graphics, etc.
Trying to find a single job that pays £1k-1.5k may be a little ambitious. Maybe think of ways of how you can make £100 or £200 a week instead.
I should then add that I am registered with my 5thdigital, have full contracts and invoices then.
On that note - I been contacted in this regard and may have one, until this is agreed on though if anyone is interested still send me a PM.
Not talking about companies here as well Egg, other people. This budget range is just to give a rough value to a work range that can be discussed.
You have goals, you look for work and out of a number of leads some come up, others full through. You NEVER just go try get one and that is it, I mentioned I have work here to do and I have been contacted in regard to the CMS I mainly develop in here to do work for big companies and I have turned them down as I do not have that level of time outside of normal work.
Quote from: neXus on March 30, 2011, 13:06:24 PM
I should then add that I am registered with my 5thdigital, have full contracts and invoices then.
On that note - I been contacted in this regard and may have one, until this is agreed on though if anyone is interested still send me a PM.
Not talking about companies here as well Egg, other people. This budget range is just to give a rough value to a work range that can be discussed.
You have goals, you look for work and out of a number of leads some come up, others full through. You NEVER just go try get one and that is it, I mentioned I have work here to do and I have been contacted in regard to the CMS I mainly develop in here to do work for big companies and I have turned them down as I do not have that level of time outside of normal work.
If yo already got your company setup then go for it...
cant think what kind of person would want to spend £1500 on a personal website though.
I know a few designers who do all sorts of stuff. poster design (his biggest customer is thames valley police), album art covers, etc.
one even does a voice over for an Italian car manufacturer built in sat nav.
Know quite a few web designers as well. AFAIK none of them have had a single assignment
paying the kind of money your thinking of.
I could do with some more jobs aswell, can rewire most houses for less than £2000 ;)
Seriously though, I know nothing about making money from web/logo/graphic design but there still seems to be a big market for it and all you need to do is make the people that need it find you, that means cold calling, advertising, building a website for yourself that people can find through searchs and you can pass the URL around etc.
Quote from: Eggtastico on March 30, 2011, 13:36:15 PM
Quote from: neXus on March 30, 2011, 13:06:24 PM
I should then add that I am registered with my 5thdigital, have full contracts and invoices then.
On that note - I been contacted in this regard and may have one, until this is agreed on though if anyone is interested still send me a PM.
Not talking about companies here as well Egg, other people. This budget range is just to give a rough value to a work range that can be discussed.
You have goals, you look for work and out of a number of leads some come up, others full through. You NEVER just go try get one and that is it, I mentioned I have work here to do and I have been contacted in regard to the CMS I mainly develop in here to do work for big companies and I have turned them down as I do not have that level of time outside of normal work.
If yo already got your company setup then go for it...
cant think what kind of person would want to spend £1500 on a personal website though.
I know a few designers who do all sorts of stuff. poster design (his biggest customer is thames valley police), album art covers, etc.
one even does a voice over for an Italian car manufacturer built in sat nav.
Know quite a few web designers as well. AFAIK none of them have had a single assignment
paying the kind of money your thinking of.
It ok Egg, you just not quite get what I was after and looking for a job, not personal site and some guy looking for money for something. Was not what I was after. If anyone PM'ed me to do their personal site I would turn it down.
Key not I was putting in was for the same price as you would pay someone in the UK through me you would get the same quality(or better, hehe) and same amount of work done but half the price.
That was the key point. I know people Like Nige do it and I only want the one off work for something to help all my other work and put the offer out there for people. Get job, do it, not ask anyone else but if anyone did want work done they know someone.
Quote from: DEViANCE on March 30, 2011, 16:00:35 PM
I could do with some more jobs aswell, can rewire most houses for less than £2000 ;)
Seriously though, I know nothing about making money from web/logo/graphic design but there still seems to be a big market for it and all you need to do is make the people that need it find you, that means cold calling, advertising, building a website for yourself that people can find through searchs and you can pass the URL around etc.
I have heard people struggle and have issues etc and in the UK in the web industry not do well. Thing is though they ship standard stuff which are not much then just template ridged structures. Clients of course will say they are happy as they spent money. But quite a bit of my work recently has been doing sites only a year or less old already or just porting it into our systems for the client who when confident get a new design done and actually be really happy with it.
And I am not super skilled yet either and others doing awesome awesome work and also seeing the same.
People do not understand and respect websites properly. The ones that actually trust you and respect quality realise things and get good sites. The ones that don't end up with crap.
so what you are asking, is if there is another company out there who want to employ you to do some work?
You should take a look at http://www.peopleperhour.com/project_listings.php There might be a few things
there that pay a few hundred, but you can turn around in a weekend or something. You may find an assignment
that pays - Just looked on there & there was this job posted :-
Job Category : IT/Web/Programming > Web Programming
Job ID : 63516
Job Title : School Site build with CMS
Job Location : Remote
Job Status : Bid Accepted
To take a design that has been developed and apply it to a Website. Needs to have a clean and simple admin system put in place.
Job Budget
Job Type : Fixed Price Job
Budget Range : £2500-£2750
Budget Type : Fixed Fee
There was 1 bid & the poster accepted it. - Its worth a look, sometimes theres jobs posted that pay £50 just to update some plugins, etc.
Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. ::)
Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. ::)
to be fair, your not really explaining yourself.
good luck anyway...
Quote from: Eggtastico on March 31, 2011, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. ::)
to be fair, your not really explaining yourself.
good luck anyway...
The people that have pm'd me so far seem to get it :)
Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 13:21:15 PM
Quote from: Eggtastico on March 31, 2011, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. ::)
to be fair, your not really explaining yourself.
good luck anyway...
The people that have pm'd me so far seem to get it :)
anyone paying £1500-£2k for a logo or simple wordpress design are mugs imo.
If an imac is so important to you, go finance one.. or ask your parents for the money you lent then you mouthed off about
in a post a while ago.
I might not be the most informed person about web design and whatnot, but I know that no way is someone going to be willing to pay that much money for so little work. I think you need to be more realistic and like everyone is suggesting take a few jobs for less money and save up. You might want to have it now and want to do just the one job in order to get your computer, but unfortunately it's probably not going to work like that. It would be like me asking for all my year's EMA at the beginning of the year so I can get everything I want then.
Egg's just trying to be helpful, so stop being so rude if he doesn't 'get it' then fine, but he was helping you out the least you could do is appreciate that
What's wrong with a credit card?
Quote from: Beanissocoollike on March 31, 2011, 15:07:01 PM
I might not be the most informed person about web design and whatnot, but I know that no way is someone going to be willing to pay that much money for so little work. I think you need to be more realistic and like everyone is suggesting take a few jobs for less money and save up. You might want to have it now and want to do just the one job in order to get your computer, but unfortunately it's probably not going to work like that. It would be like me asking for all my year's EMA at the beginning of the year so I can get everything I want then.
Egg's just trying to be helpful, so stop being so rude if he doesn't 'get it' then fine, but he was helping you out the least you could do is appreciate that
Far Far From it, I do not think I have been rued at all. Egg has provided some good information. He has took it too far and been a bit personal and suprised hes not been pulled on that actually
Egg, Still not even read what I asked people properly. Going on what your thinking that will be to much, wow, Yes. Not asking that for just what your thinking.
Budget is simply Time and a lot of people do not respect what time it takes to make quality websites, that is fine, Egg not quite getting what I was after and I think me being up front with information as well as offering my services has got people off on a tangent. I will not do that again, I will be a bit more cold in future :)
Got three possible leads now, so people that got it and know what things cost and understand they would be paying twice as much looking for someone in England.
Hopefully one will come out as a job. Still looking though, always important to pick up several leads as they often do not come to being.
Thanks Egg for trying to help, sorry you do not get what I was asking, that is ok.
Hi Egg, firstly an apology, your not interested in getting the work so I really could not be bothered to write an explanation to clear up your miss understandings.
- first I was simply being up front with why I was asking, nothing more.
- someone is NOT getting just a bit of a logo etc for £1500. This will be 3-5k or bit more (since as freelance I always put extra no cost time into my work) worth of work, just because I'm in NZ it will be half the price.
- Posting here as people here have projects and small to medium business and if they were looking for so thing along these lines I was offering my services as someone they know. A level of trust would be there so NEITHER would likely to get ripped off as can and does happen when you go to sub sites as you have linked too.
Other people like Nige it would be worth talking to too for work rather then looking for a stranger. Just because they are here does not mean they would do a lesser job, it's what they do for a living. I have seen people here offer their services plenty of times and others taking them up on that.
- your not paying for crap service from a guy on the side, how you portray that indicates no level of respect for me and that is annoying. Intended or not.
- Logo: your not getting a crap logo whipped up in Photoshop and that's it.
Scope of requirements mapped out and then sketches of several ideas mapped out and refined.
Then in illustrator these are produced as a vector design at 300 DPI.
these are presented and the preferred used and refined.
This is has all it's keening and any font modifications made. Several versions such as an inverse is produced and the files provided so they can be used for print as well as digitally.
- a web design would have a contract and scope of requirements. It is not like a logo and several designs are NOT Pitched, bad idea in this sense.
Sketches are made based on logo and requirements and then a Photoshop design made. This is then refined and modified based on discussions with the client. This is several pages of design, form design etc.
- he HTML CSS and JavaScript framework is then built. This is built to full web standards in HTML 5 doctype, jquery used and those elements like sliders built.
All pages of differ en layouts would be made.
This would be for around that price because all that takes time
No logo for example would see the offline files built into a wordpress theme template and any custom functionality In php built.
You could go out and buy templates or pay less for any of these. Just as you can get a drive done from cowboys but the quality is not there and it is not unique. Pet hate on web that is often joked about is people seeing templates used by companies trying to sell themselves.
Not aimed at you this bit:
People out there have no respect for this line of work and pay next to nothing and expect the world. They go cheap and get cheap and often no happy and the. Feel all web designers and developers are the same.
Taken in people at my work, freelance and turned down people as well who are looking for better work.
Why turn them down? They still have no respect for the work and what is involved. They may now have found a good person or company but still do not get it and are bad clients.
Many of those bidding freelance sites are bad, they harm the web and bad for the industry and create more of a bad vibe about what we do. Bad experiences. I am with a couple of the good freelance sites who often have articles about the bad bidding ones as well. Universally not liked.
Nige will echo these things are an issue too
On checking the sites that take a psd design and produce static pages, the uk ones are looking for £500-700 and like £10 per extra page, more JavaScript functionality etc.
The ones that say £50 that I just seen when you go to make the request all he features you need rack up to similar prices.
I think egg you were not clear on what someone would be getting.
I hope this makes more sense.
you was asking for leads to work for UK companies, but charging NZ prices so you could finance an apple mac
so you can work 3times faster.
Im aware how much hard work goes into websites.. you should still look at that peoples per hour though.
Ive seen jobs paying £50 just to update some cms modules or fix some ccs styling issues.
I would love to be in a position to bid for the jobs on there, but im not a designer or coder, etc.
Ive posted jobs on there & 90% of the replies was from india (it was to do content on my website and their
application alone was enough to rule them out).
take a look at these :-
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Content-amp;-Website-Design/65767
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Joomla-based-booking-system/66360
for something small - ie a few hours work
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/PSD-to-Joomla-Template/66419
you might have to start saving for a wedding soon afteral 'o)
lol that website is funny.
Someone wants an Android app for 40-150 pounds. Not per hour or per day, but for the entire app.
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Android-and-iPhone-Application-Developer-Required-for-Educat/66422
I'd imagine one of the issues here is that there are so many people out there trying to make some cash as 'web designers' whether they're art students who've done a module at college on the subject, teenagers/students who've knocked up some sites in their bedrooms or established people doing it for a living like yourself.
Quality control is going to be highly variable and a lot of the buyers are not necessarily going to know what to expect, ask etc.. how to price the work and what is/isn't good. Some random business owner could be blown away by some kid who's used a template and knocked up something over a weekend and perhpas might not appreciate the difference between that and the work you've done previously.
I think you might have some issues with landing the sort of project you're after in that you're getting into the range where people would be approaching established companies. You're are doing it on the side (not to say you wouldn't produce high quality work) but you'll have other commitments to your job and your other freelance stuff and you're in another time zone, another legal jurisdiction etc... these all pose risks to an established client and they might well prefer to pay a premium in order to have someone working on it as their main/current project, contactable during the working day and with whom they have some form or recourse should something go wrong.
Then again it doesn't take up too much time to put yourself out there/make it known you're available for a project etc... so good luck with it - I'd just look at it as a sort of 'maybe someone will be interested' type scenario and if I were you perhaps just increase the amount of small freelance projects you're doing locally in order to supplement your income. .
Quote from: Sam on March 31, 2011, 21:14:48 PM
lol that website is funny.
Someone wants an Android app for 40-150 pounds. Not per hour or per day, but for the entire app.
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Android-and-iPhone-Application-Developer-Required-for-Educat/66422
Prob hoping some college kid in India will go for it I guess....
@Egg, Thanks for trying to help find work but as mentioned and as Sam noticed those sites are a joke.
Sam's knows what it takes and I bet there are a few there he will laugh at and know the quality will be sh*te.
Quote from: Dave on March 31, 2011, 22:14:43 PM
I'd imagine one of the issues here is that there are so many people out there trying to make some cash as 'web designers' whether they're art students who've done a module at college on the subject, teenagers/students who've knocked up some sites in their bedrooms or established people doing it for a living like yourself.
Yeah, And Why I am not having a go at Egg although couple of people may think that. I know he is in that mindset, he does not know me which is fine. Bit annoyed because we have a great community here so people I would have thought would respect others here know their sh*t but oh well.
But yes, Those sites for example make it worse. There currently is no registration like if you were a gas fitter and I can tell you, it is badly needed.
Quote from: Dave on March 31, 2011, 22:14:43 PM
Quality control is going to be highly variable and a lot of the buyers are not necessarily going to know what to expect, ask etc.. how to price the work and what is/isn't good. Some random business owner could be blown away by some kid who's used a template and knocked up something over a weekend and perhpas might not appreciate the difference between that and the work you've done previously.
I think you might have some issues with landing the sort of project you're after in that you're getting into the range where people would be approaching established companies. You're are doing it on the side (not to say you wouldn't produce high quality work) but you'll have other commitments to your job and your other freelance stuff and you're in another time zone, another legal jurisdiction etc... these all pose risks to an established client and they might well prefer to pay a premium in order to have someone working on it as their main/current project, contactable during the working day and with whom they have some form or recourse should something go wrong.
Then again it doesn't take up too much time to put yourself out there/make it known you're available for a project etc... so good luck with it - I'd just look at it as a sort of 'maybe someone will be interested' type scenario and if I were you perhaps just increase the amount of small freelance projects you're doing locally in order to supplement your income. .
Your right, but again posting here, good community if someone wanted something done and know they have guys here to do some good quality work, sell things and other help and support that go on here Its a good community and going to someone you know is a BIG THING.
Finding a web company that is actually good and a fair price (as their are BAD companies charging A LOT for crap work as well as cheap and crap too) is very hard Because of all the issues mentioned above and in other posts.
Hence the post, I was just also up front of why I was asking.
Those bid for work sites are also Bad for real web developers etc. Watching a Chinese guy out bid by A MILE to do work or an Indian for crap work is horrible.
We get at least one a week of an Indian guy saying he can do quality work for us to outsource, And they dont.
just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.
Peopleperhour.com is fine for certain fields, but for web design it a joke, it is absolutely 100% full of timewasters, cheapskates that don't understand how much time/money is involved and general sh*tkickers, half of which are foreign anyway which often causes problems in itself. I've been on there since about October and I've had only one potential job actually come through despite bidding on numerous leads and being told my well thought out briefs were good; this was for some guy wanting a website to sell his Swedish biltong ( :-\ ) which naturally ended up being a timewaster too, never got back to me after a lengthy discourse, talk of logo designs, etc. In that same time I've racked up a couple of k of real work with companies and a few people simply looking to update their site from word of mouth, etc.
I've completely given up on peopleperhour's leads now, I'll probably unsubscribe soon.
Quote from: Eggtastico on April 01, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.
Sorry Egg, this is totally not the case, They are not single guys either, they are paid nothing for a job and will be working for a company. I know, we get contacted by the companies who abuse these guys and offer their services.
The rest of your points here Egg are simply not true, sorry. Not how it goes.
Quote from: Eggtastico on April 01, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.
And we all know what the quality of work is like from Chinese or Indian IT workers.
Quote from: Sam on April 01, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
Quote from: Eggtastico on April 01, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.
And we all know what the quality of work is like from Chinese or Indian IT workers.
I am sure there are some and I am sure some people will say they are happy with the work BUT...
I know for a fact that people will go to a good company, get a quote which will be fair, have no respect for what they do and then turn to the cheapo, get it done and claim to be happy when all involved know that is not true.
One other company in the US I know very well publicly had been called out by a owner of a company for being ripped off, producing crap and things like "Just copied my competitors stuff".
The site was indeed crap but considering their portfolio of work, well respected, even just doing a podcast with Adobe etc - they are not.
These sorts of clients have no respect for the company, no idea what it takes and from what they told me he basically wanted his rivals stuff, got an amazing design (I saw it) refused it and basically indeed wanted what his rivals had and even provided their brochure highlighting everything of their design as not like his rivals etc.
I have had this more then once and I am sure Nige will also say the same.
The same sort of people will not admit they got screwed over going cheap and we have laughed at people who have turned down our quotes and gone cheap and got crap.
We even have clients who we have taken on to fix sites made by people from those sorts of bidding sites. They have learnt their lesson at least and willing to get it done properly. One of those just asked us to turn off their email notification for orders because they get far to many in a day now.
A lot of it does indeed lead to no respect though. Egg I know does not hate me personally and has offered his opinion and possible helpful things but posts echo of similar things.
Ive posted jobs on PPH - Ive only given the gigs to people who speak english as their main language.
I also offered what I thought was a fair & appropriate payment. I usually get a lot of foreign offers
from china, india & across europe, but I also get a lot of British people & expats. The chinese/indians
undercut because they can afford to, but I know their quality of work will not be to the standards
I'd expect - especially for content articles, etc. I always put in a budget, somwhere low & sowhere near
to what I am prepared to pay - just because its easier to filter out the crap - as they are the ones asking
for the least.
I also understand people post jobs to exploit other peoples skills - but also people put up jobs with what
they can afford. I would love to have a website designed, etc. - but I dont have the £1200-£1500 it would
cost. So PPH has worked good for me.
Its just as difficult for those posting proper jobs to find a decent bidder.
Yes some of the jobs offered for the money are a joke, but there are decent paid jobs as well.
At the end of the day, pay peanuts & you get monkeys.
Can you tell me why this isnt good enough to do :-
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Web-Designer-/66484
It seems a genuine assignment & a decent payment if you go at the top end of the offer - you
obviously have the portfolio to go for that top end amount.