so what you are asking, is if there is another company out there who want to employ you to do some work?
You should take a look at http://www.peopleperhour.com/project_listings.php There might be a few things
there that pay a few hundred, but you can turn around in a weekend or something. You may find an assignment
that pays - Just looked on there & there was this job posted :-

Job Category : IT/Web/Programming > Web Programming

Job ID : 63516

Job Title : School Site build with CMS

Job Location : Remote

Job Status : Bid Accepted

To take a design that has been developed and apply it to a Website. Needs to have a clean and simple admin system put in place.
Job Budget
Job Type : Fixed Price Job

Budget Range : £2500-£2750

Budget Type : Fixed Fee


There was 1 bid & the poster accepted it. - Its worth a look, sometimes theres jobs posted that pay £50 just to update some plugins, etc.

Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. 

Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. 

to be fair, your not really explaining yourself.
good luck anyway...

Quote from: Eggtastico on March 31, 2011, 10:10:24 AM

Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. 

to be fair, your not really explaining yourself.
good luck anyway...

The people that have pm'd me so far seem to get it

Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 13:21:15 PM

Quote from: Eggtastico on March 31, 2011, 10:10:24 AM

Quote from: neXus on March 31, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
Doesn't matter Egg, Your still not getting it. Its ok. 

to be fair, your not really explaining yourself.
good luck anyway...

The people that have pm'd me so far seem to get it

anyone paying £1500-£2k for a logo or simple wordpress design are mugs imo.
If an imac is so important to you, go finance one.. or ask your parents for the money you lent then you mouthed off about
in a post a while ago.

I might not be the most informed person about web design and whatnot, but I know that no way is someone going to be willing to pay that much money for so little work. I think you need to be more realistic and like everyone is suggesting take a few jobs for less money and save up. You might want to have it now and want to do just the one job in order to get your computer, but unfortunately it's probably not going to work like that. It would be like me asking for all my year's EMA at the beginning of the year so I can get everything I want then.

Egg's just trying to be helpful, so stop being so rude if he doesn't 'get it' then fine, but he was helping you out the least you could do is appreciate that

What's wrong with a credit card?

Quote from: Beanissocoollike on March 31, 2011, 15:07:01 PM
I might not be the most informed person about web design and whatnot, but I know that no way is someone going to be willing to pay that much money for so little work. I think you need to be more realistic and like everyone is suggesting take a few jobs for less money and save up. You might want to have it now and want to do just the one job in order to get your computer, but unfortunately it's probably not going to work like that. It would be like me asking for all my year's EMA at the beginning of the year so I can get everything I want then.

Egg's just trying to be helpful, so stop being so rude if he doesn't 'get it' then fine, but he was helping you out the least you could do is appreciate that

Far Far From it, I do not think I have been rued at all. Egg has provided some good information. He has took it too far and been a bit personal and suprised hes not been pulled on that actually

Egg, Still not even read what I asked people properly. Going on what your thinking that will be to much, wow, Yes. Not asking that for just what your thinking.

Budget is simply Time and a lot of people do not respect what time it takes to make quality websites, that is fine, Egg not quite getting what I was after and I think me being up front with information as well as offering my services has got people off on a tangent. I will not do that again, I will be a bit more cold in future

Got three possible leads now, so people that got it and know what things cost and understand they would be paying twice as much looking for someone in England.
Hopefully one will come out as a job. Still looking though, always important to pick up several leads as they often do not come to being.

Thanks Egg for trying to help, sorry you do not get what I was asking, that is ok.

Hi Egg, firstly an apology, your not interested in getting the work so I really could not be bothered to write an explanation to clear up your miss understandings.

- first I was simply being up front with why I was asking, nothing more.

- someone is NOT getting just a bit of a logo etc for £1500. This will be 3-5k or bit more (since as freelance I always put extra no cost time into my work) worth of work, just because I'm in NZ it will be half the price.

- Posting here as people here have projects and small to medium business and if they were looking for so thing along these lines I was offering my services as someone they know. A level of trust would be there so NEITHER would likely to get ripped off as can and does happen when you go to sub sites as you have linked too.
Other people like Nige it would be worth talking to too for work rather then looking for a stranger. Just because they are here does not mean they would do a lesser job, it's what they do for a living. I have seen people here offer their services plenty of times and others taking them up on that.

- your not paying for crap service from a guy on the side, how you portray that indicates no level of respect for me and that is annoying. Intended or not.

- Logo: your not getting a crap logo whipped up in Photoshop and that's it.
Scope of requirements mapped out and then sketches of several ideas mapped out and refined.
Then in illustrator these are produced as a vector design at 300 DPI.
these are presented and the preferred used and refined.
This is has all it's keening and any font modifications made. Several versions such as an inverse is produced and the files provided so they can be used for print as well as digitally.

- a web design would have a contract and scope of requirements. It is not like a logo and several designs are NOT Pitched, bad idea in this sense.
Sketches are made based on logo and requirements and then a Photoshop design made. This is then refined and modified based on discussions with the client. This is several pages of design, form design etc.

- he HTML CSS and JavaScript framework is then built. This is built to full web standards in HTML 5 doctype, jquery used and those elements like sliders built.
All pages of differ en layouts would be made.

This would be for around that price because all that takes time

No logo for example would see the offline files built into a wordpress theme template and any custom functionality In php built.

You could go out and buy templates or pay less for any of these. Just as you can get a drive done from cowboys but the quality is not there and it is not unique. Pet hate on web that is often joked about is people seeing templates used by companies trying to sell themselves.

Not aimed at you this bit:
People out there have no respect for this line of work and pay next to nothing and expect the world. They go cheap and get cheap and often no happy and the. Feel all web designers and developers are the same.
Taken in people at my work, freelance and turned down people as well who  are looking for better work.
Why turn them down? They still have no respect for the work and what is involved. They may now have found a good person or company but still do not get it and are bad clients.

Many of those bidding freelance sites are bad, they harm the web and bad for the industry and create more of a bad vibe about what we do. Bad experiences. I am with a couple of the good freelance sites who often have articles about the bad bidding ones as well. Universally not liked.

Nige will echo these things are an issue too

On checking the sites that take a psd design and produce static pages, the uk ones are looking for £500-700 and like £10 per extra page, more JavaScript functionality etc.
The ones that say £50 that I just seen when you go to make the request all he features you need rack up to similar prices.

 I think egg you were not clear on what someone would be getting.

I hope this makes more sense.

you was asking for leads to work for UK companies, but charging NZ prices so you could finance an apple mac
so you can work 3times faster.
Im aware how much hard work goes into websites.. you should still look at that peoples per hour though.
Ive seen jobs paying £50 just to update some cms modules or fix some ccs styling issues.
I would love to be in a position to bid for the jobs on there, but im not a designer or coder, etc.
Ive posted jobs on there & 90% of the replies was from india (it was to do content on my website and their
application alone was enough to rule them out).
take a look at these :-
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Content-amp;-Website-Design/65767
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Joomla-based-booking-system/66360

for something small - ie a few hours work
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/PSD-to-Joomla-Template/66419

you might have to start saving for a wedding soon afteral 'o)

lol that website is funny.

Someone wants an Android app for 40-150 pounds. Not per hour or per day, but for the entire app.
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Android-and-iPhone-Application-Developer-Required-for-Educat/66422

I'd imagine one of the issues here is that there are so many people out there trying to make some cash as 'web designers' whether they're art students who've done a module at college on the subject, teenagers/students who've knocked up some sites in their bedrooms or established people doing it for a living like yourself.
Quality control is going to be highly variable and a lot of the buyers are not necessarily going to know what to expect, ask etc.. how to price the work and what is/isn't good. Some random business owner could be blown away by some kid who's used a template and knocked up something over a weekend and perhpas might not appreciate the difference between that and the work you've done previously.

I think you might have some issues with landing the sort of project you're after in that you're getting into the range where people would be approaching established companies. You're are doing it on the side (not to say you wouldn't produce high quality work) but you'll have other commitments to your job and your other freelance stuff and you're in another time zone, another legal jurisdiction etc... these all pose risks to an established client and they might well prefer to pay a premium in order to have someone working on it as their main/current project, contactable during the working day and with whom they have some form or recourse should something go wrong.

Then again it doesn't take up too much time to put yourself out there/make it known you're available for a project etc... so good luck with it - I'd just look at it as a sort of 'maybe someone will be interested' type scenario and if I were you perhaps just increase the amount of small freelance projects you're doing locally in order to supplement your income. .

Quote from: Sam on March 31, 2011, 21:14:48 PM
lol that website is funny.

Someone wants an Android app for 40-150 pounds. Not per hour or per day, but for the entire app.
http://www.peopleperhour.com/freelance_jobs_work_projects/Android-and-iPhone-Application-Developer-Required-for-Educat/66422

Prob hoping some college kid in India will go for it I guess....

@Egg, Thanks for trying to help find work but as mentioned and as Sam noticed those sites are a joke.
Sam's knows what it takes and I bet there are a few there he will laugh at and know the quality will be sh*te.

Quote from: Dave on March 31, 2011, 22:14:43 PM
I'd imagine one of the issues here is that there are so many people out there trying to make some cash as 'web designers' whether they're art students who've done a module at college on the subject, teenagers/students who've knocked up some sites in their bedrooms or established people doing it for a living like yourself.

Yeah, And Why I am not having a go at Egg although couple of people may think that. I know he is in that mindset, he does not know me which is fine. Bit annoyed because we have a great community here so people I would have thought would respect others here know their sh*t but oh well.
But yes, Those sites for example make it worse. There currently is no registration like if you were a gas fitter and I can tell you, it is badly needed.

Quote from: Dave on March 31, 2011, 22:14:43 PM
Quality control is going to be highly variable and a lot of the buyers are not necessarily going to know what to expect, ask etc.. how to price the work and what is/isn't good. Some random business owner could be blown away by some kid who's used a template and knocked up something over a weekend and perhpas might not appreciate the difference between that and the work you've done previously.

I think you might have some issues with landing the sort of project you're after in that you're getting into the range where people would be approaching established companies. You're are doing it on the side (not to say you wouldn't produce high quality work) but you'll have other commitments to your job and your other freelance stuff and you're in another time zone, another legal jurisdiction etc... these all pose risks to an established client and they might well prefer to pay a premium in order to have someone working on it as their main/current project, contactable during the working day and with whom they have some form or recourse should something go wrong.

Then again it doesn't take up too much time to put yourself out there/make it known you're available for a project etc... so good luck with it - I'd just look at it as a sort of 'maybe someone will be interested' type scenario and if I were you perhaps just increase the amount of small freelance projects you're doing locally in order to supplement your income. .

Your right, but again posting here, good community if someone wanted something done and know they have guys here to do some good quality work, sell things and other help and support that go on here Its a good community and going to someone you know is a BIG THING.
Finding a web company that is actually good and a fair price (as their are BAD companies charging A LOT for crap work as well as cheap and crap too) is very hard Because of all the issues mentioned above and in other posts.

Hence the post, I was just also up front of why I was asking.
Those bid for work sites are also Bad for real web developers etc. Watching a Chinese guy out bid by A MILE to do work or an Indian for crap work is horrible.

We get at least one a week of an Indian guy saying he can do quality work for us to outsource, And they dont.

just because chinese & indians undercut, it doesnt mean they win the job. They are not a joke for those who need the work done.
Some of the bidders are a joke. Dont forget, people from all over the world submit & bid for jobs. It may not be worth £150 for a certain
job to someone in the UK, but it would be a lot of cash to a student in india or china.