I voted UKIP. Just to see.
Quote from: Sam on May 23, 2014, 00:21:49 AM
I voted UKIP. Just to see.
HERETIC! BURN!
Oh wait, so did I.
No.
UKIP are still idiots............They cannot run the UK
We're having elections? Yawn. Nothing will change.
I'd like to see UKIP get in for sh*ts and giggles though.
I voted Lib Dem for my local council, Tory 1st choice for London assembly, Lib Dem 2nd choice, Tory for European Elections.
While I do want a referendum on Europe and some years ago used to vote UKIP in the European elections I don't like the recent focus on immigration and feel they've got some fairly low quality candidates given some of the comments they've been coming out with. If Cameron gives a referendum and can substantially renegotiate our relationship with Europe then I'd be happier with that.
Only reason I voted yesterday was to try and make sure UKIP didn't get in.
I didn't vote. Waste of time.
I voted today :)
Quote from: Dave on May 23, 2014, 16:11:18 PM
I voted Lib Dem for my local council, Tory 1st choice for London assembly, Lib Dem 2nd choice, Tory for European Elections.
While I do want a referendum on Europe and some years ago used to vote UKIP in the European elections I don't like the recent focus on immigration and feel they've got some fairly low quality candidates given some of the comments they've been coming out with. If Cameron gives a referendum and can substantially renegotiate our relationship with Europe then I'd be happier with that.
Won't vote UKIP in GE. Will vote Tory as any sensible person will.
Why would voting Tory be sensible?
Quote from: Adrock on May 30, 2014, 15:11:53 PM
Why would voting Tory be sensible?
Because they're the only party that helps out the working man? Do you pay tax? Do you like paying it to support eastern Europeans who have never contributed? Or lazy white men who'd rather thieve? Labour are a party whose support base are the unemployed and immigrants, so they'll never do anything to erode that, ie help the likes of me and you.
I couldn't work out who was voting UKIP, very surprised to see some of the offenders here.
I get that its a rebellious vote in an election that has less direct impact on us than others, but there are still a huge number of reasons not to vote for them.
My main issue is the pressure it will put on the main parties to create even harsher populist policies on LEGAL migration which is already being detrimentally restricted in order to appease the masses.
Given how many retards are voting 'blind' in these elections, l would have hoped the smarter sample set we have here would assist in trying and show that we're not a nation full of poorly educated racist sheep.
I was surprised when I went and voted the kinds of people I passed talking about voting UKIP.
Quote from: addictweb on June 01, 2014, 22:04:12 PM
I couldn't work out who was voting UKIP, very surprised to see some of the offenders here.
I've committed an offence? goodness me I thought we lived in a democracy for a moment, I'll pop down to the police station and hand myself in post-haste.
Quote from: addictweb on June 01, 2014, 22:04:12 PM
I get that its a rebellious vote in an election that has less direct impact on us than others, but there are still a huge number of reasons not to vote for them.
My main issue is the pressure it will put on the main parties to create even harsher populist policies on LEGAL migration which is already being detrimentally restricted in order to appease the masses.
Given how many retards are voting 'blind' in these elections, l would have hoped the smarter sample set we have here would assist in trying and show that we're not a nation full of poorly educated racist sheep.
Even harsher? We have a completely open door to anyone in the EU, infact the detrimental restrictions of which you speak would surely and are imposed upon none EU members unfairly (because the UK can actually control those) due to unrealistic immigration targets being set by the government.
I don't think immigration numbers are realistic and sustainable, it makes no sense to me that the UK has no idea of numbers and can't plan infrastructure for the next 5 minutes never-mind the next 1/2/3 years, I think that any foreign criminal should not have the right to just show up and live here and it makes me laugh that unelected bureaucrats have such a huge say on the running of this country.
So amongst other reasons I voted for UKIP because I think that the current system is absurd, immigrants are absolutely key to the UK for sure, but I find it farcical the UK has no control over its own borders to such a wide cross section of very economically poor countries.
We probably live in vastly different areas and have totally different upbringings but I can assure you I'm neither racist or a sheep.
For the record I will likely return to abstaining from voting going forward, personally I find myself in a disconnect from both current Labour and Conservative policies, but I'll happily peruse the upcoming manifestos (yes including UKIPs)
Oh and any party that says they're going to reform or abolish TTIP and do something about the shocking lack of prosecution in the financial sector, with massive too big to fail banks/ers causing chaos with impunity will likely get my vote.
Quote from: addictweb on June 01, 2014, 22:04:12 PM
I couldn't work out who was voting UKIP, very surprised to see some of the offenders here.
I get that its a rebellious vote in an election that has less direct impact on us than others, but there are still a huge number of reasons not to vote for them.
My main issue is the pressure it will put on the main parties to create even harsher populist policies on LEGAL migration which is already being detrimentally restricted in order to appease the masses.
Given how many retards are voting 'blind' in these elections, l would have hoped the smarter sample set we have here would assist in trying and show that we're not a nation full of poorly educated racist sheep.
1. UKIP want to leave the EU because they don't believe its good for the country. How is that racist? Oh wait, it's not. It's just a good cop out insult for morons.
2. What's wrong with restricting legal migration? Are we short of unemployed people? No one minds computer programmers coming in, but is the country lacking in qualified checkout assistants? Have you ever been served by a Brit in a Pret a Manager?
3. The fact we can't deport criminals because its against their human rights? f**k right off.
4. I don't believe the EU and the UK are on the same wavelength culturally. That goes for rich nations like France as well. They want time off and social policies. We want lower tax and a focus on business.
5. UKIP won't win jack sh*t at the election, we just want them to force Dave into being more anti EU and then boom - a nice Tory majority at the next election.
Quote from: Sam on June 03, 2014, 19:46:51 PM
2. What's wrong with restricting legal migration? Are we short of unemployed people? No one minds computer programmers coming in, but is the country lacking in qualified checkout assistants? Have you ever been served by a Brit in a Pret a Manager?
This may be a naive or simplified view, but isn't the issue regarding foreign workers in "Pret" not something that should be addressed by the employers? They're the ones exploiting the immigrants.
Surely if immigration was restricted, the situation could end up that either businesses close as the British unemployed aren't skilled enough or don't want to do the jobs, or prices go up due to employing British people who demand more, and businesses close as people just buy the cheapest things they can, usually from overseas?
Quote from: zpyder on June 04, 2014, 10:00:20 AM
Quote from: Sam on June 03, 2014, 19:46:51 PM
2. What's wrong with restricting legal migration? Are we short of unemployed people? No one minds computer programmers coming in, but is the country lacking in qualified checkout assistants? Have you ever been served by a Brit in a Pret a Manager?
This may be a naive or simplified view, but isn't the issue regarding foreign workers in "Pret" not something that should be addressed by the employers? They're the ones exploiting the immigrants.
Surely if immigration was restricted, the situation could end up that either businesses close as the British unemployed aren't skilled enough or don't want to do the jobs, or prices go up due to employing British people who demand more, and businesses close as people just buy the cheapest things they can, usually from overseas?
You can't really buy a cup of coffee from overseas can you, unless you want it cold. Anything that can already be made abroad is - in China.
And how qualified do you need to be to use a till anyway ?
British people might not want the jobs that's a fair argument, but I'd just get rid of benefits. Very few people on benefits actually deserve them (sickness only).
Yes, but I was thinking more that if employers took on English people, paying them what English people expect to be paid, you'd soon find that places like Pret would be hiking their prices to offset the cost of a British workforce. Would probably find that places that took this approach would go out of business as many people who want "immigrants out" also want cheap coffee.
Illegal immigration is an issue, legal immigration is not. Our economy benefits massively from the influx of working age migrants who are overwhelmingly net contributors to the state. These migrants have no better chance at getting a job than anyone native to the UK, probably a worse chance given the language barriers, the best person gets the job.
The fact that there are thousands of jobs available to migrants and thousands of unemployed people in the UK is a cultural entitlement and benefit system issue which the current government is tackling more firmly than any previous government. Immigration has always driven our economy forward, we need the working age population increase to offset our increasingly aging population.
The issue with pushing the main parties to be even more hard line on migration is they can only curb non-EU migration, and they are already doing so to appease the public. The issue is that its already too restrictive, skilled workers cant get visas, I've got colleagues who have had to decline jobs here because they have been declined work visas, harming the UK economy.
Quote from: addictweb on June 06, 2014, 09:53:08 AM
The issue with pushing the main parties to be even more hard line on migration is they can only curb non-EU migration
Not true, they can pull out of the EU, or tell them we'll stay but only if EU wide work permits are restricted. You seem to be under the belief that UK government is not sovereign on this soil. Ha, well maybe we're not anymore, even more reason to say au revoir to Hollande and co.
Quote from: addictweb on June 06, 2014, 09:53:08 AM
The issue is that its already too restrictive, skilled workers cant get visas, I've got colleagues who have had to decline jobs here because they have been declined work visas, harming the UK economy.
Kinda off-topic, but we faced this trying to get into America. The other half has a PhD and so shouldn't have an issue getting a Skilled workers permit, but I've only got an undergraduate degree, so we figured I would have a hard time getting a work visa there. Now having to fork out several thousand £ to do a masters I don't need other than for the piece of paper, just so we could possibly move to the US in the future. Obama is looking in to changing the skilled migrant laws to entice couples and families over where not everyone is "skilled". I'm sure that'll be met with lots of anti-immigration stuff like we have here, despite it being a good thing.
Quote from: zpyder on June 09, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
Quote from: addictweb on June 06, 2014, 09:53:08 AM
The issue is that its already too restrictive, skilled workers cant get visas, I've got colleagues who have had to decline jobs here because they have been declined work visas, harming the UK economy.
Kinda off-topic, but we faced this trying to get into America. The other half has a PhD and so shouldn't have an issue getting a Skilled workers permit, but I've only got an undergraduate degree, so we figured I would have a hard time getting a work visa there. Now having to fork out several thousand £ to do a masters I don't need other than for the piece of paper, just so we could possibly move to the US in the future. Obama is looking in to changing the skilled migrant laws to entice couples and families over where not everyone is "skilled". I'm sure that'll be met with lots of anti-immigration stuff like we have here, despite it being a good thing.
Another "grass is greener" in the states person :) It's not - as someone who lived there and is married to a yank.
Plus you can get a visa on your undergraduate if you want. H1B, the quota is not filled these days.
I voted Labor, not because I really wanted to but the opposition isn't making life any easier for me.
Tory idiot chancellor is trying to kick everyone who is receiving sickness benefits but not yet dead off the list to save a few quid a week and generally dissing people off. He's got no idea of how much people want to work but simply can't. There are two million people out of work, who wants to employ someone who can barely type or make a cup of coffee? They would rather give millions to already rich bankers than pay disabled/sick people at all.
Lib Dems backed the Tories. If anything good came out of this result it is the kicking in the balls they got. Losing 10 seats out of 11? Their leader should have quit instantly and gone jump off a cliff.
Despite everything UKIP has no answers I feel happy with. Yes Britain is crowded, lots of immigrants, but there are no easy solutions. At the moment legislation is in preparation so that if you don't earn over £18,600 you can't legally immigrate your wife/kids into the UK. Another stupid gut reaction from the top of the tory party.
Then again I haven't heard any answers from Labour either. It's just that they are the only ones who have a decent chance to put this bunch of losers out.
Quote from: Sam on June 10, 2014, 01:09:55 AM
Quote from: zpyder on June 09, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
Quote from: addictweb on June 06, 2014, 09:53:08 AM
The issue is that its already too restrictive, skilled workers cant get visas, I've got colleagues who have had to decline jobs here because they have been declined work visas, harming the UK economy.
Kinda off-topic, but we faced this trying to get into America. The other half has a PhD and so shouldn't have an issue getting a Skilled workers permit, but I've only got an undergraduate degree, so we figured I would have a hard time getting a work visa there. Now having to fork out several thousand £ to do a masters I don't need other than for the piece of paper, just so we could possibly move to the US in the future. Obama is looking in to changing the skilled migrant laws to entice couples and families over where not everyone is "skilled". I'm sure that'll be met with lots of anti-immigration stuff like we have here, despite it being a good thing.
Another "grass is greener" in the states person :) It's not - as someone who lived there and is married to a yank.
Plus you can get a visa on your undergraduate if you want. H1B, the quota is not filled these days.
I seem to remember warning Sam about that. UK, despite it's problems, is far better. Admittedly you don't pay as much tax but you have to take a holistic whole life ideal. People in Britain live longer on average than those in the US despite not paying as much for healthcare. The 'American dream' is an illusion. 1 in a million might make it big, but for that one thousands suffer.
Quote from: Serious on June 12, 2014, 01:48:39 AM
I voted Labor, not because I really wanted to but the opposition isn't making life any easier for me.
Tory idiot chancellor is trying to kick everyone who is receiving sickness benefits but not yet dead off the list to save a few quid a week and generally dissing people off. He's got no idea of how much people want to work but simply can't. There are two million people out of work, who wants to employ someone who can barely type or make a cup of coffee? They would rather give millions to already rich bankers than pay disabled/sick people at all.
Lib Dems backed the Tories. If anything good came out of this result it is the kicking in the balls they got. Losing 10 seats out of 11? Their leader should have quit instantly and gone jump off a cliff.
Despite everything UKIP has no answers I feel happy with. Yes Britain is crowded, lots of immigrants, but there are no easy solutions. At the moment legislation is in preparation so that if you don't earn over £18,600 you can't legally immigrate your wife/kids into the UK. Another stupid gut reaction from the top of the tory party.
Then again I haven't heard any answers from Labour either. It's just that they are the only ones who have a decent chance to put this bunch of losers out.
I had to show I could support Laura before they would give her a visa.
Its also cost me, so far, around 2500 pounds for the visas.
Quote from: Sam on June 12, 2014, 22:36:48 PMIts also cost me, so far, around 2500 pounds for the visas.
you got ripped off there
I'd have married you for £2499
Quote from: addictweb on June 06, 2014, 09:53:08 AM
Illegal immigration is an issue, legal immigration is not. Our economy benefits massively from the influx of working age migrants who are overwhelmingly net contributors to the state. These migrants have no better chance at getting a job than anyone native to the UK, probably a worse chance given the language barriers, the best person gets the job.
The fact that there are thousands of jobs available to migrants and thousands of unemployed people in the UK is a cultural entitlement and benefit system issue which the current government is tackling more firmly than any previous government. Immigration has always driven our economy forward, we need the working age population increase to offset our increasingly aging population.
The issue with pushing the main parties to be even more hard line on migration is they can only curb non-EU migration, and they are already doing so to appease the public. The issue is that its already too restrictive, skilled workers cant get visas, I've got colleagues who have had to decline jobs here because they have been declined work visas, harming the UK economy.
Legal immigration is an issue. Especially in the non skills & Labour markets. Builders, Plumbers, Electricians & other tradesmen are getting hammered because the foreigners are undercutting them.
Its easy to say thats a good thing - but look at the bigger picture. That builder can no longer afford his lifestyle, so while the immigrant becomes a net contributor, we are also losing a net contributor - someone who would have been a bigger contributor. Only person who wins here is the Employer because they have cheaper employment costs. Extend that to the Services sector & retail sector - I understand most of these have a legal right to be here as EU citizens, but end of the day.
More should be done for highly skilled individuals though who needs work permits. More carrot should be offered to employ long term unemployed. more whip to the long term unemployed to get off their lazy arse.
Quote from: Serious on June 12, 2014, 01:56:12 AM
Quote from: Sam on June 10, 2014, 01:09:55 AM
Quote from: zpyder on June 09, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
Quote from: addictweb on June 06, 2014, 09:53:08 AM
The issue is that its already too restrictive, skilled workers cant get visas, I've got colleagues who have had to decline jobs here because they have been declined work visas, harming the UK economy.
Kinda off-topic, but we faced this trying to get into America. The other half has a PhD and so shouldn't have an issue getting a Skilled workers permit, but I've only got an undergraduate degree, so we figured I would have a hard time getting a work visa there. Now having to fork out several thousand £ to do a masters I don't need other than for the piece of paper, just so we could possibly move to the US in the future. Obama is looking in to changing the skilled migrant laws to entice couples and families over where not everyone is "skilled". I'm sure that'll be met with lots of anti-immigration stuff like we have here, despite it being a good thing.
Another "grass is greener" in the states person :) It's not - as someone who lived there and is married to a yank.
Plus you can get a visa on your undergraduate if you want. H1B, the quota is not filled these days.
I seem to remember warning Sam about that. UK, despite it's problems, is far better. Admittedly you don't pay as much tax but you have to take a holistic whole life ideal. People in Britain live longer on average than those in the US despite not paying as much for healthcare. The 'American dream' is an illusion. 1 in a million might make it big, but for that one thousands suffer.
Yup - America is 2nd world in a lot of places. Dont realise how good we got it over here. Ive done a few road trips in america & once you get onto the open road out of the tourist area's it looks as poor as any eastern european country ive been to.
Quote from: Sam on June 12, 2014, 22:36:48 PM
Quote from: Serious on June 12, 2014, 01:48:39 AM
I voted Labor, not because I really wanted to but the opposition isn't making life any easier for me.
Tory idiot chancellor is trying to kick everyone who is receiving sickness benefits but not yet dead off the list to save a few quid a week and generally dissing people off. He's got no idea of how much people want to work but simply can't. There are two million people out of work, who wants to employ someone who can barely type or make a cup of coffee? They would rather give millions to already rich bankers than pay disabled/sick people at all.
Lib Dems backed the Tories. If anything good came out of this result it is the kicking in the balls they got. Losing 10 seats out of 11? Their leader should have quit instantly and gone jump off a cliff.
Despite everything UKIP has no answers I feel happy with. Yes Britain is crowded, lots of immigrants, but there are no easy solutions. At the moment legislation is in preparation so that if you don't earn over £18,600 you can't legally immigrate your wife/kids into the UK. Another stupid gut reaction from the top of the tory party.
Then again I haven't heard any answers from Labour either. It's just that they are the only ones who have a decent chance to put this bunch of losers out.
I had to show I could support Laura before they would give her a visa.
Its also cost me, so far, around 2500 pounds for the visas.
And thats how it should be... You either prove to support yourselves, prove your supported by others or if its work related the employer should be forced to post a bond that guarantees certain conditions including a plane ticket home if it does not work out.