http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cywtq/Horizon_20112012_The_Truth_About_Exercise/
It seems about 20% of people don't really gain that much, if anything, from it while 15% gain an extraordinary amount of benefit. Then there are other alternatives, like 3x20 second bursts of maximum exercise 3 times a week.
What they are really saying is that exercise can only do so much, you need it tailored for your genetic make up.
Then again, from other programs it seems that exercising in the morning is bad, evening better, mid afternoon best.
And avoid sitting in a chair constantly if you can, walking and general moving about is as much exercise as running or jumping on that bike.
Personally I'm a believer in compound effect of efforts. Choosing the hard choices, using the stairs, not ordering a burger, not drinking every weekend. It's not that one decision, it's long term effect of those decisions over and over. I'm trying to spend more time reading a chapter of a book, a minimum of 3 sessions a week
I don't know what the long term benefits are, but I know I feel better for it and that's what matter the most to me.
The body is such an wonderful and complex thing, your right to say you have tailor your regime and diet, only extreme athletes and fitness freaks will get the results they want, because they have commitment. Doing what they said they would do, long after the mood they were in when they said it, has left. I've only got the commitment to keep myself relatively healthy.
I do situps and pushups every morning and I walk 3k nearly every day that is it :)
How many situps and pushups do you do bear? I feel ashamed now for doing no exercise at all, although I'm think one of the lucky ones who's body doesn't really demand it, my weight doesn't really fluctuate and my fitness doesn't generally seem to change to much - I know I should really but I'm far too lazy! The most I do is occasional long walks.
20 full situps and 15 pushups so not that much :) Quick enough to do though and easy to make into a habit.
Im nearly 28, am 6'4" and weigh.. on my heaviest days a little over 9 stone.. i avoid all forms of physical exercise and always have.
and i think it'll probably kill me, I'm underweight but that never changes, i dont eat great (certainly dont get my 5 a day) and my level of fitness is terrible, have enough strength to live life and ride a motorcycle (although unless you drop it you dont need much) but I'll not be running any distance or lifting anything heavy any time soon..
so weight isn't the whole story :(
I weigh 20 stone, ran a 10k race in december and have entered a half marathon in september.
Just need to increase my base training run by less than 1.5m per month, easy.
Running, anyone can do it. Used to think I was unable to run as I was too fat, hurt my knees all the time but it's all about technique and stretching, a whole crapton of stretching.
Me I do it for the challenge, to truly lose weight requires me to change my entire lifestyle not just exercise.
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One thing I will say, weight loss is the best performance upgrade for a motorbike :)
Core stability exercises will help you get into and maintain the correct position for cornering.
Arms and wrists when strong can support your weight for longer without getting tired.
So motorcycling while it can be done in any shape, if you're in good shape you'll be better able to ride. :)
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I've recently gotten into historical fencing and shifted a couple of stone is as many months. The weight is now coming back on again but that's due to the amount of muscle going to replace the lost fat.
That coupled with archery whenever time allows (something I've only recently gotten back into) is really helping and I'm feeling a noticable improvement in my fitness. And best of all it's great fun, no getting bored and giving up.
Being a larger chap I agree with M3ta7h3ad on the stretching. I thought I wouldn't be any good at anything much after being so out of shape for so long, but if I warm up properly I'm surprised at how much stamina I do actually have.
Quote from: Binary Shadow on April 06, 2012, 13:31:05 PM
Im nearly 28, am 6'4" and weigh.. on my heaviest days a little over 9 stone.. i avoid all forms of physical exercise and always have.
and i think it'll probably kill me, I'm underweight but that never changes, i dont eat great (certainly dont get my 5 a day) and my level of fitness is terrible, have enough strength to live life and ride a motorcycle (although unless you drop it you dont need much) but I'll not be running any distance or lifting anything heavy any time soon..
so weight isn't the whole story :(
I have to admit dude, that your level of fitness is scary. We really need to get you out on more photo walks or something!
aww c'mon its not that bad mate lol
I'd say it is, you need an exercise intervention!
Zpyder, take him to McDonalds and threaten to force him to eat some of the burgers unless he eats properly :ptu: :rofl:
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad on April 06, 2012, 15:21:09 PM
Running, anyone can do it.
I weigh about 13 stone and forget it if you think I'm going to attempt to run. The last time I did that was back in 1996, and I remember it well. Ended up with so much pain after about 20 yards I collapsed.
So most people can do it, but it depends on your health state. I could ride a bike for 30 minutes no problem, unless it rains when I get to fall off the thing. Carrying it is another issue.
Quote from: Binary Shadow on April 06, 2012, 13:31:05 PM
Im nearly 28, am 6'4" and weigh.. on my heaviest days a little over 9 stone.. i avoid all forms of physical exercise and always have.
and i think it'll probably kill me, I'm underweight but that never changes, i dont eat great (certainly dont get my 5 a day) and my level of fitness is terrible, have enough strength to live life and ride a motorcycle (although unless you drop it you dont need much) but I'll not be running any distance or lifting anything heavy any time soon..
so weight isn't the whole story :(
have you tried swimming? tis a great all round workout - exercises most muscle groups and much less likely to cause you problems with your joints etc...
forget the gym memberships/protein shakes - I reckon if you had say an extra glass of milk for breakfast (makes sure breakfast is a big bowl of cereal too), have some tuna or chicken in your sandwiches for lunch and just hit the local swimming pool twice a week for a decent session you'd likely see some significant improvements.
You still ran.
Biggest mistake most folk make is running too fast at the beginning.
Only reason anyone wouldn't be able to run is if they are unable to walk.
Running isn't a pain free activity, much like walking you're giving yourself a work out. Expect aches and pains.
My first 10km race I ended up with a stress fracture of my 5th metatarsal. That said, just because it hurt a little doesn't mean it won't heal up.
Now I have a better running stride for my degree of pronation so haven't had a stress fracture since.
When I first started I pushed myself hard and only covered 1.5 miles, barely above a brisk walking pace. I weighed 21st+ and had done no physical exercise for half a decade.
Everything hurt for two days afterwards, but then it faded and I ran again. Again everything hurt, during the run I thought I was going to die. 2 more days, I ran again... And so on.
Now a saturday morning 4 miler is a social natter with my running group buddies. Good stretching session afterwards, it's all forgotten about by lunchtime the same day.
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Lets put this a bit more plainly for M3ta7h3ad. I'm used to pain. I have quite a bit of it every day. I take several 30/500 cocodamol plus aspirin, plus other drugs to try and keep the pain manageable. Note it doesn't stop the pain, it just reduces it a bit, some reduction being better than none.
On that occasion I barely got to a jog. As to the pain level I thought I was having my bollocks ripped off. I nearly fainted and had to grab onto a roadside railing in order to stop falling onto the pavement.
I doubt if 20 metres equates to running in anyone else's books.
And if 'anyone' can run try that with Prof Stephen Hawking... :P
I wouldn't do running personally, long term it seems to do absolutely no good for your knees and joints, it's also the least time-effective way to burn calories other than walking. I'd much rather sit on a rowing machine in front of the TV :)
Quote from: Serious on April 10, 2012, 12:56:25 PM
Lets put this a bit more plainly for M3ta7h3ad. I'm used to pain. I have quite a bit of it every day. I take several 30/500 cocodamol plus aspirin, plus other drugs to try and keep the pain manageable. Note it doesn't stop the pain, it just reduces it a bit, some reduction being better than none.
On that occasion I barely got to a jog. As to the pain level I thought I was having my bollocks ripped off. I nearly fainted and had to grab onto a roadside railing in order to stop falling onto the pavement.
I doubt if 20 metres equates to running in anyone else's books.
And if 'anyone' can run try that with Prof Stephen Hawking... :P
Stephen Hawking can't walk.
You're clearly an exception being disabled obviously discounts you from my anyone can run. Fact is though... you still ran for a short distance.
Given the C25K starts you "running" at 30 seconds of brisk walking followed by 2 minutes of regular walking. Running itself is pretty loosely defined (if you get an oxford dictionary out, I will facedesk) at my level.
least efficient? I'd say cycling ranks lower on the calorie burning factor. Rowing being a full body workout done properly is brilliant but if you can sit down and watch TV while rowing you're clearly not giving it your all :P
Still anyway, whatever you naysayers moan about. I say if this guy can do it, anyone* can.
*Didn't realise I had to deal with pedants here but disclaimer, anyone is discounting those who are physically incapable of movement or those who's bollocks are currently in the process of being torn off of their body.
I have a metabolic condition that effectively works like this - I could do the same amount of exercise as someone else, and burn 50% less calories then they do. So basically, for exercise to have any real effect on me, (because for me, I want to exercise to lose weight, any other reason I just don't want to hear about) I need to do such excessive amounts it isn't really worth it - and Clock'd will vouch that I am one of the laziest beings on earth, I could have been a sloth in a previous life.
I do however try and keep 'active'; when the weather starts to improve I will cycle from my house to Nigels (which google maps tells me is about 3.5 miles), which I know isn't the most intense form of exercise, but I'm going to whip out my asthma card here (and the fact I'm so unfit) as a reason why I don't generally do anything else (:
Quote from: Beanissocoollike on April 10, 2012, 19:46:47 PM
I have a metabolic condition that effectively works like this - I could do the same amount of exercise as someone else, and burn 50% less calories then they do.
That's likely a bit dubious - while people's metabolism's do vary a bit you probably won't burn 50% less than other people doing the same amount of exercise - if that were the case you'd surely be some awesome world record breaking endurance athlete who burns calories so efficiently running a marathon only requires half the resources of a normal human being - alternatively if you survived in a plane crash in some remote frozen region of the planet you'd last a week longer than everyone else... its rather unlikely.
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So basically, for exercise to have any real effect on me, (because for me, I want to exercise to lose weight, any other reason I just don't want to hear about) I need to do such excessive amounts it isn't really worth it - and Clock'd will vouch that I am one of the laziest beings on earth, I could have been a sloth in a previous life.
I do however try and keep 'active'; when the weather starts to improve I will cycle from my house to Nigels (which google maps tells me is about 3.5 miles), which I know isn't the most intense form of exercise, but I'm going to whip out my asthma card here (and the fact I'm so unfit) as a reason why I don't generally do anything else (:
try swimming - tis good for you if you've got asthma - I can sympathise a lot as I had quite bad asthma as a kid (as in rushed to hospital a couple of times/ambulance called etc...). You might find that being a 'sloth' is partly to blame - someone who fidgets a lot and is quite restless likely burns up quite a few more calories than someone who is rather more lethargic.
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad on April 10, 2012, 18:49:51 PM
Quote from: Serious on April 10, 2012, 12:56:25 PM
Lets put this a bit more plainly for M3ta7h3ad. I'm used to pain. I have quite a bit of it every day. I take several 30/500 cocodamol plus aspirin, plus other drugs to try and keep the pain manageable. Note it doesn't stop the pain, it just reduces it a bit, some reduction being better than none.
On that occasion I barely got to a jog. As to the pain level I thought I was having my bollocks ripped off. I nearly fainted and had to grab onto a roadside railing in order to stop falling onto the pavement.
I doubt if 20 metres equates to running in anyone else's books.
And if 'anyone' can run try that with Prof Stephen Hawking... :P
Stephen Hawking can't walk.
You're clearly an exception being disabled obviously discounts you from my anyone can run. Fact is though... you still ran for a short distance.
You clearly said anyone, and that has to include people like Hawking. You can't make a claim involving everyone and then make exceptions.
I'm not saying that most people can't run, they can, but there are always exceptions. Keeping active is always good too, but not everyone can manage that.
What people can do is try to do exercise that is suitable for them, I have trouble running but I can cycle. I have an arthritic back which massively reduces the effort I can put in on a rowing machine. None of the above means I don't try.
Quote from: Dave on April 10, 2012, 20:55:21 PM
That's likely a bit dubious - while people's metabolism's do vary a bit you probably won't burn 50% less than other people doing the same amount of exercise - if that were the case you'd surely be some awesome world record breaking endurance athlete who burns calories so efficiently running a marathon only requires half the resources of a normal human being - alternatively if you survived in a plane crash in some remote frozen region of the planet you'd last a week longer than everyone else... its rather unlikely.
I don't think I explained it very well at first. Basically, the condition I have gives me an insulin imbalance, so anything I eat - even stuff people would consider healthy will make me gain weight, and it's a lot harder for me to burn it.
'Women with this disorder store more fat than women without it, and burn fewer calories throughout the day.'Like I said before, I don't really know much about my condition, it's quite complicated and even doctors don't know a great deal about it, but I'm just going by information I've read from scientific research. It seems the only way for me to have a 'healthy diet' is to cut down on all carbs, cut out all sugar, eat about a 1500 calories a day instead of the recommended 2000 and eat smaller portions. But no way is that happening :D
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try swimming - tis good for you if you've got asthma - I can sympathise a lot as I had quite bad asthma as a kid (as in rushed to hospital a couple of times/ambulance called etc...).
Also, I can't swim. I could learn to, but all the attempts when I was younger ended in me screaming the place down because of my fear of drowning.
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad on April 10, 2012, 18:49:51 PM
least efficient? I'd say cycling ranks lower on the calorie burning factor. Rowing being a full body workout done properly is brilliant but if you can sit down and watch TV while rowing you're clearly not giving it your all :P
Cycling maybe less efficient, I have no idea, but its also maybeless stressful to the body? BTW I'm not saying there's no place for running as its obviously the first port of call for cardio fitness; I think running on a treadmill as a warm up is a great way to get started, but I wouldn't make running the basis of an entire exercise regime for myself, doing marathons, etc. As for watching TV, that was just to say something throwaway like the music channels. Or I'd stick on Man vs Food to give me an appetite by the time I'm finished ;D
I think running is too intense for someone who hasnt done any for a long time. I find im shot to pieces after a very short distance and the pain in my side is terrible.. a stitch? really? feels like iv been shot.
I didnt find the same problem when attempting cycling.. new problems.. like the bike feeling like a joke (after riding motorcycles) and getting tired quickly.. the point tho surely heh..
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Also, I can't swim. I could learn to, but all the attempts when I was younger ended in me screaming the place down because of my fear of drowning.
rowing machine might be the next best thing then I guess - though swimming is really good for asthmatics so worth a shot if you're feeling like giving it a go again - I think it helped me a lot when I was younger - like you're probably well aware that on a cold day if you were to go out walking or jogging you can feel wheezy, swimming provides a great environment to exercise in as you're breathing in warm moist air...
Quote from: Beanissocoollike on April 10, 2012, 19:46:47 PM
I have a metabolic condition that effectively works like this - I could do the same amount of exercise as someone else, and burn 50% less calories then they do. So basically, for exercise to have any real effect on me, (because for me, I want to exercise to lose weight, any other reason I just don't want to hear about) I need to do such excessive amounts it isn't really worth it - and Clock'd will vouch that I am one of the laziest beings on earth, I could have been a sloth in a previous life.
I do however try and keep 'active'; when the weather starts to improve I will cycle from my house to Nigels (which google maps tells me is about 3.5 miles), which I know isn't the most intense form of exercise, but I'm going to whip out my asthma card here (and the fact I'm so unfit) as a reason why I don't generally do anything else (:
Have you tried to find an activity that you enjoy and view as a hobby more than as a form of exercise? Anything that gets you up and moving and you can get a bit addicted to will be far more beneficial than a more traditional exercise that you aren't so keen on and have to force yourself to do.
There is one activity :heehaw: ;D
On a serious note though, we've both said we are going to make a conscious effort to eat a bit better and do more walking at the weekends. I'm not a good influence on anyone with my levels of laziness and gluttony.
Do quite a bit of walking with the Mrs, http://www.walkjogrun.net/ is a handy -not only to measure distance but to also find other peoples routes that might be slightly off the beaten track, can be handy if you fancy a bit of peace and quiet on a nice day when the more popular local spot's tend to get quite busy, found a couple of really scenic walks less than a mile or 2 from my house.