I dont not believe in climate change, but I also dont believe in it. I do believe however that the system at work is so incredibly complex that I think very few people are qualified enough to say one way or the other about it.

On the other hand though I do wholeheartedly believe that the direction humanity wants to take to combat climate change, real or not, can only be a positive thing.

Quote from: Binary Shadowwell it hasnt changed my view on global warming/climate change, i still dont care... since theres no way to prove its our fault

No I didnt believe in it either, I allways thought that is the natural change of the planet, if thats the way its going to be than so be it.  But It has been proven.  Since the industrial revolution in the 1700s Co2 levels have simply increased non stop.  Before it has simply been a natural curve of highs and lows.  We can see that through frozen samples that we can extract and date the sample.

Dont ask me for links.  This is just through talking who work at Warwick Uni.  A quick google on the matter turns up samples such as this.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recentac_majorghg.html#fig1

Yes I know its not 100% proof but I think you would be naive to continue the way we produce carbon emmision and not consider the damage.  There is allready an ozone hole the size of wales over the north pole.

Im not a believer in changing our lifestyles for the sake of it, Im not going to stop putting my foot down, but I am a believer in unnessecary waste, leaving on my tv and not using it for a whole week etc.  One of my good Friends switched to EDF, when the previous electricity board asked why, he told them he supported EDFs plans for future Nuclear expantion.  I think the lady on the phone was a bit unprepared.

To be fair, the French are simply the leaders in Nuclear power atm.  

Quote from: Cypherhttp://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recentac_majorghg.html#fig1

Doesnt the link show though that Co2 reaches these levels on approximately a 100 000 year basis?

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Quote from: Cypherhttp://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recentac_majorghg.html#fig1

Doesnt the link show though that Co2 reaches these levels on approximately a 100 000 year basis?

It shows that Co2 has a regular cycle, which coincides normally with the temperature cycle of the earth, unless there is a high amount of dust. The problem is since farming started the temperature has remained roughly constant, up until the last 100 years, when it should be dropping. Instead its going up again. Nothing else has changed except for our burning fossil fuels.

In the 60s it was thought that we would have global cooling, but that was due to particulates we put up there blocking sunlight. When we changed to more smokeless fuels the temperature drop reversed quickly. After 9/11 and the ban on flights over the US average temperatures on flight routes climbed because we were not pumping water vapour into the upper atmosphere. Humans certainly have the capability of changing the world climate and have done so recently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png

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