ffs, im waiting almost 2 weeks on parts to finish the car because theyre on bloody strike. sort it out
Dads contract from new zealand arrived Wednesday sent September
We had a letter confirming an appointment that took place Tuesday on thursday, lol
I am waiting for my operation letter as well as other stuff, its a right mess
Post office workers reckon they are only a day behind - bollucks, Leicester has been one of the places with illegal strikes we found out this week which has been going on for weeks now and so were more like 2weeks off stuff
Good luck to the posties.
If people knew the exact reasons, theyd back them as well.
Biggest problem is they want to salary them & do away with overtime payment.
So If I wasnt in work today for example, Nexus would be expected to do my round after his for no extra money!
Bugger the strikes to be honest, Ive no sympathy for them. In fact I lost sympathy for strike action a long time ago and dont care if youre a fire-fighter, postman or university lecturer; it all smacks of petulance and spitting your dummy out.
if RM management dont cave in after next week, theyre NEVER going to.
Quote from: Chris HBugger the strikes to be honest, Ive no sympathy for them. In fact I lost sympathy for strike action a long time ago and dont care if youre a fire-fighter, postman or university lecturer; it all smacks of petulance and spitting your dummy out.
Too right.
If you dont like your job you eff off and do something else, not inconvenience others - especially in a job like this that lets be honest, any monkey in a red van could do. The morons dont realise the strike is losing them support, and businesses are wisening up and changing to other couriers...
I still think in a few years you will have small postal shops for companies popping up for packages and post boxes with 2-4 slots for different companies and the stamps relevent to that company
This strike is really starting to piss me off.
Im off on hols next Friday and Im still waiting on two replace cards to come through along with some stuff off eBay that I need for the trip :(
Still my stuff hasnt arrived.
This is going to be another wasted weekend.
Quote from: KunalThis strike is really starting to piss me off.
Im off on hols next Friday and Im still waiting on two replace cards to come through along with some stuff off eBay that I need for the trip :(
good luck, as it looks like theyre striking all week next week, and a few places have been on perma strike.
Quote from: EggtasticoGood luck to the posties.
If people knew the exact reasons, theyd back them as well.
Biggest problem is they want to salary them & do away with overtime payment.
So If I wasnt in work today for example, Nexus would be expected to do my round after his for no extra money!
erm, as i understand it from my postman the main "Problem" is that The company want postmen to work their full shifts. At present if they finish early they can go home early, then come in later for overtime, or they can quite often go straight into overtime, meaning they get paid extra for it. i.e. Postman works 5 hours in a morning and gets finished, he can then go home and have 3 hours sat on his arse not being paid, then if he feels like it and overtime is available he can go in again and earn some more money. According to the dude i was speaking to the big thing is the RM want the postmen to work the hours they are being paid for, and they are more upset at that than anything else. Sorry, but on most of our planets we get paid for the hours we work, why shouldnt postmen? If you only want to work 5 hours then get paid for 5 hours work, not 8. What was really irritatnig as the postman didnt seem to see any problems with only working half th ehours he was paid for, then wandering off home.
Quote from: MarkStill my stuff hasnt arrived.
This is going to be another wasted weekend.
Worth phoning up the sorting office and asking if they have a parcel for you. I have had a couple recently where the item was there but the delivery person was too lazy to come and ring the door bell, or shove a card in.
If they have it then go and collect in person.
Quote from: BeakerQuote from: EggtasticoGood luck to the posties.
If people knew the exact reasons, theyd back them as well.
Biggest problem is they want to salary them & do away with overtime payment.
So If I wasnt in work today for example, Nexus would be expected to do my round after his for no extra money!
erm, as i understand it from my postman the main "Problem" is that The company want postmen to work their full shifts. At present if they finish early they can go home early, then come in later for overtime, or they can quite often go straight into overtime, meaning they get paid extra for it. i.e. Postman works 5 hours in a morning and gets finished, he can then go home and have 3 hours sat on his arse not being paid, then if he feels like it and overtime is available he can go in again and earn some more money. According to the dude i was speaking to the big thing is the RM want the postmen to work the hours they are being paid for, and they are more upset at that than anything else. Sorry, but on most of our planets we get paid for the hours we work, why shouldnt postmen? If you only want to work 5 hours then get paid for 5 hours work, not 8. What was really irritatnig as the postman didnt seem to see any problems with only working half th ehours he was paid for, then wandering off home.
The other way to look at it is that the posties can quite easily make their delivery rounds take 8 hours. That screws us and RM.
If I was in a job where there had been an unwritten rule that finishing your round was the end of the job, I too would be kicking up a fuss over suddenly having to work the extra time.
What about people who work on bonus ? Where they are given a number of hours to complete a job but if the job takes longer then they are not paid for that excess time ? Are you saying that they should stop working if the job goes over the allotted time ?
Quote from: NimrodWhat about people who work on bonus ? Where they are given a number of hours to complete a job but if the job takes longer then they are not paid for that excess time ? Are you saying that they should stop working if the job goes over the allotted time ?
Thats a totally different situation.
If you require extra hours to complete a job it becomes overtime. If you finish work early and there are other jobs you could help out with tbh you could show a bit of camaraderie, even if its not enforced. To go beyond that and say people should be allowed to bunk off whenever theyve done their bit is proposterous when there other jobs/coworkers that may need assistance.
Anyone that truly believes that to be good practice I would personally brand a workshy, clockwatching jobsworth.
Quote from: Beakererm, as i understand it from my postman the main "Problem" is that The company want postmen to work their full shifts. At present if they finish early they can go home early, then come in later for overtime, or they can quite often go straight into overtime, meaning they get paid extra for it. i.e. Postman works 5 hours in a morning and gets finished, he can then go home and have 3 hours sat on his arse not being paid, then if he feels like it and overtime is available he can go in again and earn some more money. According to the dude i was speaking to the big thing is the RM want the postmen to work the hours they are being paid for, and they are more upset at that than anything else. Sorry, but on most of our planets we get paid for the hours we work, why shouldnt postmen? If you only want to work 5 hours then get paid for 5 hours work, not 8. What was really irritatnig as the postman didnt seem to see any problems with only working half th ehours he was paid for, then wandering off home.
I forgot to mention about the pension they want to change.
RM want to pay the posties their average earnings, instead of what is usually a final earnings salary.
So if they earned £35k a year when they retired, instead of paying them £35k a year, they want to cut it & pay their average earnings instead. They aint taking inflation into account, so if you started on somthing like £5k 30 years ago, then go up £1k a year for the last 30 years, that would average as £20k a year. Big difference eh?
Quote from: Clockd 0NeQuote from: NimrodWhat about people who work on bonus ? Where they are given a number of hours to complete a job but if the job takes longer then they are not paid for that excess time ? Are you saying that they should stop working if the job goes over the allotted time ?
Thats a totally different situation.
If you require extra hours to complete a job it becomes overtime. If you finish work early and there are other jobs you could help out with tbh you could show a bit of camaraderie, even if its not enforced. To go beyond that and say people should be allowed to bunk off whenever theyve done their bit is proposterous when there other jobs/coworkers that may need assistance.
Anyone that truly believes that to be good practice I would personally brand a workshy, clockwatching jobsworth.
Gotta disagree. Theyre employed to sort and deliver post to a set area of properties. On one day that might take 9 hours to complete but on another it may only take 4. IIRC they dont get paid OT for the additional 1 hour, they are just expected to complete their round in 8 hours.
They then have the option to go back into the sorting office and work OT doing jobs that they were not employed to do in the first place; other peopes rounds, sorting mail w/e.
Personally if someone can get their job done in 4 hours then good luck to them. If however they were employed to provide 8 hours of general service, completely any and all tasks asked of them, then I would agree that they should be expect to work for 8 hours.
Its only a big old furore as a result of the fact that they know they have been getting away with part time hours for years. Finally, someone has picked up on it and thought "surely this is not how it works for everyone else?"
Indeed. My points wernt restricted to the current accepted practice of RM, just how things are for other people and probably should be for them. They most definitely should be expected to provide general labour to the company IMO. Imagine how much more efficient and better the run the system would be if they all did alloted hours and chipped in where possible?
The whole "my rounds done, f*** the rest of you" attitude stinks. This is peoples important mail were talking about, you cant mess around tbh.
Quote from: NimrodQuote from: Clockd 0NeQuote from: NimrodWhat about people who work on bonus ? Where they are given a number of hours to complete a job but if the job takes longer then they are not paid for that excess time ? Are you saying that they should stop working if the job goes over the allotted time ?
Thats a totally different situation.
If you require extra hours to complete a job it becomes overtime. If you finish work early and there are other jobs you could help out with tbh you could show a bit of camaraderie, even if its not enforced. To go beyond that and say people should be allowed to bunk off whenever theyve done their bit is proposterous when there other jobs/coworkers that may need assistance.
Anyone that truly believes that to be good practice I would personally brand a workshy, clockwatching jobsworth.
Gotta disagree. Theyre employed to sort and deliver post to a set area of properties. On one day that might take 9 hours to complete but on another it may only take 4. IIRC they dont get paid OT for the additional 1 hour, they are just expected to complete their round in 8 hours.
They then have the option to go back into the sorting office and work OT doing jobs that they were not employed to do in the first place; other peopes rounds, sorting mail w/e.
Personally if someone can get their job done in 4 hours then good luck to them. If however they were employed to provide 8 hours of general service, completely any and all tasks asked of them, then I would agree that they should be expect to work for 8 hours.
They are hired to deliver mail. Regardless if they believe that "their" round is done. If they return to the depot, they should be given more work to do.
If I choose to split whatever round im given in two, and complete the first part, Im not going to go home and say well completed my load... Should be a case of they work until they are finished. Instead of giving rounds, ask them to pick up loads, and drop them off in runs. Sorted... 8 hours work, should be 8 hours work.
Wait a minute.
We used to have a 2nd post delivery remember.
So it wasnt a case of my round is done so Ill f**k off home.
Its RM own fault that they now finish early & its not as if RM are going to reintroduce 2nd post Deliveries either.
Most posties do do more than 1 round. - What they are arguing against, is that they are expected to finish all postal delieries to cover sickness/holiday, even if it means 12 hour days, for no extra pay.
Posties have already said, if it comes in, then they will do things by the book & that will be worse in the long run.
Currently a lot of postal people use their own vehicle for transport to & from their own patch. They will stop using their own vehicles & just sit around waiting for the postal mini bus to pick/drop them off.
Its not as if they are striking for change or somthing new. They are striking for somthing thats being taken away from them. Juicy pensions & overtime. Also, they are striking for eachother, because they believe it will lead to job cuts. How long will it be before great 3 people off sick/holiday & we still hit 100% efficency. Here you go, heres your P45.
Theres a days work for a fair wage & theres a hard days work for a good wage, but no f**ker will do a hard days work for a fair wage.
I do a fair days work for a good wage
:lol:
then there.. oi bob, charley is struggling with his round, go give him a hand.
I bet charley is a lazy bastard who prob stopped off to knob mrs smith at no 49.
Quote from: EggtasticoI forgot to mention about the pension they want to change.
RM want to pay the posties their average earnings, instead of what is usually a final earnings salary.
So if they earned £35k a year when they retired, instead of paying them £35k a year, they want to cut it & pay their average earnings instead. They aint taking inflation into account, so if you started on somthing like £5k 30 years ago, then go up £1k a year for the last 30 years, that would average as £20k a year. Big difference eh?
the only thing the postman was moaning about was the hours thing. As for the pension, if they are only going to work 4-5 hours per day, then add overtime in on top of that then an average pension seems more fair. Theyll have spend years screwing their employer over, surely they saved some of that money they didnt earn :)
I worked 15 minutes today, and 1hr 15 yesterday :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7038899.stm
All over
pah!
for me anything less than 72hours a week is an easy week !
Quote from: neXushttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7038899.stm
All over
For now. And if they go back on strike, sack the lot of them. Idle f**kers.
Stupid sods, I pay heavily I am waiting on 10 items.
example.
This item has been paid through PayPal. Payment was sent to: graham.xxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.co.uk on 05-Oct-07.
Postage costs:
£1.99
Sellers Standard Rate
Service to United Kingdom
Post to: United Kingdom
Item location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Im still waiting.
I emailed the seller about I havent got it yet, he reminded me of the strikes, he posted it the same day.
Phone up your postal office, some lazy b might have put it as undeliverable but not bothered to visit your house or put a card in the door.
Quote from: knightypah!
for me anything less than 72hours a week is an easy week !
72 hours at home ?
Im STILL waiting for stuff. Aparrently they still have a huge backlog in Liverpool because the posties arent really working properly yet.
GAH! Had to vent somewhere!
Quote from: BeakerIm STILL waiting for stuff. Aparrently they still have a huge backlog in Liverpool because the posties arent really working properly yet.
GAH! Had to vent somewhere!
If its via Liverpool, your looking at another wk now, pathetic idiots.