What is wrong with these people. I wonder what the Archbishop of Canterbury has to say about this, hes usually very down-to-Earth.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6243323.stm
QuoteCritics say the regulations would mean hotels could not refuse to provide rooms for gay couples, and religious groups would be obliged to rent out halls for gay wedding receptions.
Some also argue a Christian, Jewish or Muslim printer could be legally forced to print a flyer for a gay night club, or a teacher would have to break the law to promote heterosexual marriage over homosexual civil partnership.
Boo bloody hoo!
I had no idea hotels were allowed to refuse rooms to gay couples, thats disgusting behaviour (the refusal, not the homosexuality)! The parish hall/wedding reception point is a little more difficult (though any gay person wanting a nice civil partnership celebration probably wont want to offend the hosting building anyway).
Tough luck for the printing firm TBH, if thats their chosen trade, and well, teachers *should* be impartial so as to not alienate anyone in the class who may well be a closet homosexual anyway.
Mad.
"Religious leaders protesting *against* gay rights?"
Helloooo! Thats the cornerstone of religion and politics over here for the last five years. Theyre obsessed with gays, even though Jebus sez nothing about them. States have been rushing to pass double and even triple protection against gays getting equal rights--all driven by the religious right.
Its why I left the church and any sort of Christian belief behind many years ago. The right wing came into my cathedral seven years ago, forced out anybody with compassion, and turned the place into a stern hate fest.
Heres an exercise: replace the word "gay" with "black" or "jew" in your brain whenever they say it. Yeah, its Nazi f*cking mentality on their part. Welcome to what weve been experiencing here under the Kristian Bush Crime Regime.
This law is badly constructed IMO. Im all for supporting peoples rights as far as large companies & the state are concerned but this will also effect small business owners.
I have two concerns for parties on both sides of this.
Firstly Gay clubs will not legally be allowed to be exclusively gay (some admit straight people some dont like to) - this law will blindly work both ways & so discriminating against straight people will also be illegal which in this particular case is rather silly.
Secondly someone owning a small guest house - this is often their own home - fair enough the likes of travel lodge or the Hilton should accept anyone who can pay - but someone using their own home - nope - someone running a guest house ought to be able to choose - whether it is a case of an old couple in a sea side holiday resort who only want familys & couples but dont want groups of young people staying as they know they are just their to get drunk every night or a strict catholic who doesnt want to rent the double room out to a homosexual couple - that is their right as it is their home IMO. However I dont think this should go as far as race - IMO race should be better protected than both religion & sexuality.
Quote from: SaraTough luck for the printing firm TBH, if thats their chosen trade, and well, teachers *should* be impartial so as to not alienate anyone in the class who may well be a closet homosexual anyway.
should a small printing firm run by an asian guy be legally obliged to print off BNP leaflets? Or do you not think that small business owners should be able to chose who they serve.
IMO a printer would be well in their rights to deny service to the BNP, a vegan health food store would be well in their rights to eject a bloke in a leather jacket munching on a kebab & a staunchly catholic bed & Bfast owner would be within his rights to refuse a double bed to a homosexual couple.
Quote from: DaveThis law is badly constructed IMO. Im all for supporting peoples rights as far as large companies & the state are concerned but this will also effect small business owners.
I have two concerns for parties on both sides of this.
Firstly Gay clubs will not legally be allowed to be exclusively gay (some admit straight people some dont like to) - this law will blindly work both ways & so discriminating against straight people will also be illegal which in this particular case is rather silly.
No its not silly at all. Gay clubs should not be allowed to use sexuality as a reason to refuse admission. Works both ways.
Hell, without Barry Manilow and Bette Midler, both straight, the
Continental Baths would never have been the same.
The Whole Idea behind a lot religions is the Promise made when you get married. The promise is to have Offspring (as many as possible within reason). Now, Gays cant exactly create any offspring with each other can they?
The Whole Religion Beliefs are turned on its head if Gay people are allowed to have a wedding reception in a Church Hall.
Think of something you disapprove off.... How would you like it, if whatever that/it was was allowed to be carried out not on your own doorstep, but inside your own property?
Love religion or hate it, you have to give it credit for shapping a lot of our culture & Beliefs. Maybe it goes hand in hand, but as this country is getting less religious - not only in its beliefs, but its general teachings about respect, right & wrong, etc., its getting a lot worse.
If people want to be gay, then fine.. do it in their own bedrooms.. How can somthing so unatural be allowed to go on in Public & Public places, while I could do the most natural thing in the world & get arrested for walking about Bollocks Naked. Socailist *ing do-gooders. Id hang every last one of them.
Quote from: EggtasticoThink of somthing you dissaprove off.... How would you like it, if whatever that/it was was allowed to be carried out not on your own doorstep, but inside your own property?
Insanely oversimplified for the purposes of justifying bigtory. :roll:
Quote from: BigSoyQuote from: EggtasticoThink of somthing you dissaprove off.... How would you like it, if whatever that/it was was allowed to be carried out not on your own doorstep, but inside your own property?
Insanely oversimplified for the purposes of justifying bigtory. :roll:
So.. you think its Ok for somthing to happen in your property that your beliefs are strongly against?
Ok.... Whos Parents knowingly allowed you members to have sex while underage under their roof? Obviously not for the majority, because its illegal.
What about when Over the age? or maybe in your Partners house?
Well, your old enough?
I bet theres still a fair share who hasnt/didnt out of respect.
Not to leave anyone out... Hands up who hasnt had sex at all
:twisted: :o :mrgreen:
People should have certain rights & freedoms, but those freedoms shouldnt be allowed to trample all over other people beliefs.
let people do what they want, if you dont like it dont project your bullsh*t on to other people.
social retards should be gagged to death by a dogs penis.
Quote from: redlet people do what they want, if you dont like it dont project your bullsh*t on to other people.
which people though?
Should you let the guest house owner do what he wants with his own guest house & not project your beliefs onto him?
Quote from: maximusotterNo its not silly at all. Gay clubs should not be allowed to use sexuality as a reason to refuse admission. Works both ways.
It is silly - a Gay club for gay people shouldnt have to be legally required to admit straight people
were not talking about performers here - but some people get pissed off with fag hags (seems sex & the city has a lot to answer for) not to mention straight people going in to prey on the fag hags knowing there is less competition.
The more serious cause for concern however - groups of pissed up straight guys going in for a laugh trying to be ironic & do the whole American pie 3 dance off thing then getting ejected shortly afterwards - most gay clubs dont have a problem with the few straight people who go - Ive been to G.A.Y in London a few times (old flat mate was gay + the girls I live with are dancers so know a quite a lot of gay people) - but one thing these clubs dont want is big groups of straight lads going in there whether for cheap drinks or a cheap laugh at the other customers expense - if gay people want to have a club where they can go without being intimidated then that is the whole point of gay clubs and bars - if these clubs are then not allowed to refuse entry to people on the grounds of sexual orientation then that defeats the object of having a gay club in the first place.
Same with the guest house problem - yes it is a hotel of sorts but it is also someones home - you cant start dictation to people who they have to accept into their own home IMO.
Ive got no problem with them saying hotels should not be allowed to refuse rooms on those grounds - but they ought to make an exception when it comes to hostels.
Quote from: EggtasticoThe Whole Idea behind a lot religions is the Promise made when you get married. The promise is to have Offspring (as many as possible within reason). Now, Gays cant exactly create any offspring with each other can they?
There is nothing in the ceremony to say that you have to have kids. Now stop being sexist and go back to your sheep :P
Quote from: DaveQuote from: maximusotterNo its not silly at all. Gay clubs should not be allowed to use sexuality as a reason to refuse admission. Works both ways.
It is silly - a Gay club for gay people shouldnt have to be legally required to admit straight people
How can you tell if someone is gay or not, insist they have sex with you? What about bi-sexuals, do they count as gay?
If a straight person wants to go into a gay club and see the action I dont see any problem and neither would almost all gays.
Quote from: SeriousIf a straight person wants to go into a gay club and see the action I dont see any problem and neither would almost all gays.
well some do actually - it isnt so much individuals but groups
perhaps these two articles can offer you a different perspective
QuotePlease keep out of gay bars and clubs
Its uncomfortable to start snogging on a dance floor and surface to find a hen party staring in amazement ...
A researcher from Manchester University, looking into the culture of Manchesters "gay village" on Canal Street, has found that the gay businesses and their core constituency feel thoroughly besieged by the number of hen parties, and actively threatened by the groups of straight men who follow in their wake.
One club, indeed, has taken the step of barring straight people altogether. It isnt the first place to take the step ââ,¬â€œ many of the coolest gay clubs and bars in London wouldnt let unaccompanied straight people in. Before you ask how they can tell, go and look, straight reader, at your wardrobe. Believe me, we can tell.
http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_a_l/philip_hensher/article181444.ecehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/articles/2006/03/27/270306_gay_bar_feature.shtml
Lets force NASA to employ blind pilots -lets not discriminate against anyone. Wait, that doesnt work.
I agree with the guest house thing, ive stayed in a few run by old, traditional couples and they dont want anyone bonking on the bed their grandma stays in over Christmas. i.e. no unmarried couples.
- I wouldnt want the kkk or the Noel Edmunds Fanclub holding a bbq in my garden... what happens when were forced to tolerate everyone except those deemed "wrong?
Quote from: bbcThey also argue a Christian, Jewish or Muslim printer could be forced to print a flyer for a gay night club,
I can just see the flyers for Noahs Arse Disco. Nice stereotyping of religions, mr bbc ;)
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: EggtasticoThe Whole Idea behind a lot religions is the Promise made when you get married. The promise is to have Offspring (as many as possible within reason). Now, Gays cant exactly create any offspring with each other can they?
There is nothing in the ceremony to say that you have to have kids. Now stop being sexist and go back to your sheep :P
Whats that suppposed mean? Im not from norfolk or any other farming county.
There doesnt have to be anything in ceremony you moron. Thats what the difference between marriage & just living together is.
Quote from: redlet people do what they want, if you dont like it dont project your bullsh*t on to other people.
social retards should be gagged to death by a dogs penis.
Yes.... Why bother with Prisons... let people do what they want.
Can * spot the students on here from the moon :twisted:
Quick quick.. rush to london & form a demostration march
Quote from: SeriousHow can you tell if someone is gay or not, insist they have sex with you?
Its not hard to tell :roll:
QuoteWhat about bi-sexuals, do they count as gay?
no, theyre just facking greedy.
QuoteIf a straight person wants to go into a gay club and see the action I dont see any problem and neither would almost all gays.
Why would a straight person want to go in a gay club to see some action ?!?!?
Pretty much agree with everything Aaron has said.
Quote from: Ice KayQuote from: SeriousHow can you tell if someone is gay or not, insist they have sex with you?
Its not hard to tell :roll:
I can tell whos a dirty Muslim terrorist America hating piece of needing-to-be-locked-up-without-trial sh*t, just by lookin attim. Yessir, its not hard to tell! See, its the turban. Theyll piss and moan, yelling, "Im a Sik, Im a Sik!" Dont mind that, just keep kicking the bastards in the kidneys till they piss blood into their west-hatin-pajamas.
:ptu:
I put a jihad on you max
comparing muslims to the ungodly sikhs
tis like a blasphemy upon allah himself
as for this talk of homosexuals
I put a jihad on them too :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Ice KayQuote from: SeriousHow can you tell if someone is gay or not, insist they have sex with you?
Its not hard to tell :roll:
Usually but there are exceptions.
QuoteQuoteWhat about bi-sexuals, do they count as gay?
no, theyre just facking greedy.
Or maximising their chances of a good time
QuoteQuoteIf a straight person wants to go into a gay club and see the action I dont see any problem and neither would almost all gays.
Why would a straight person want to go in a gay club to see some action ?!?!?
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Possibly following the hen parties? I may not want to go in but I certainly dont want to stop someone else.
Ive been in one, really no different really to anywhere else, except you get more offers and some wear different clothing to what you would normally find. (I was invited out by a couple of girls who went there, they didnt want to be bothered by blokes out on the pull.)
Quote from: maximusotterQuote from: Ice KayQuote from: SeriousHow can you tell if someone is gay or not, insist they have sex with you?
Its not hard to tell :roll:
I can tell whos a dirty Muslim terrorist America hating piece of needing-to-be-locked-up-without-trial sh*t, just by lookin attim. Yessir, its not hard to tell! See, its the turban. Theyll piss and moan, yelling, "Im a Sik, Im a Sik!" Dont mind that, just keep kicking the bastards in the kidneys till they piss blood into their west-hatin-pajamas.
:ptu:
Nice bit of satire but will he notice?
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: maximusotterQuote from: Ice KayQuote from: SeriousHow can you tell if someone is gay or not, insist they have sex with you?
Its not hard to tell :roll:
I can tell whos a dirty Muslim terrorist America hating piece of needing-to-be-locked-up-without-trial sh*t, just by lookin attim. Yessir, its not hard to tell! See, its the turban. Theyll piss and moan, yelling, "Im a Sik, Im a Sik!" Dont mind that, just keep kicking the bastards in the kidneys till they piss blood into their west-hatin-pajamas.
:ptu:
Nice bit of satire but will he notice?
I aint stupid :roll: ;)
A terrorist will hide the fact he is a terrorist, i pretty much doubt a gay person will pretend he isnt gay.
never heard of a closet case?
Quote from: Ice KayA terrorist will hide the fact he is a terrorist, i pretty much doubt a gay person will pretend he isnt gay.
Until they changed the law those who were gay tended to hide the fact, many even got married because of persecution.
It isnt that difficult for straight men to pretend to be gay or gays to pretend to be straight.
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: Ice KayA terrorist will hide the fact he is a terrorist, i pretty much doubt a gay person will pretend he isnt gay.
Until they changed the law those who were gay tended to hide the fact, many even got married because of persecution.
That was then, this is now, gays/lesbians are alot more open, just look around you, on television, on soaps (corrie, eastenders,hollyoaks etc), celebrities and singers are open about the sexuality too.
Quote from: Sweensternever heard of a closet case?
maybe 10/20 years ago yes but nowadays ???? very rare.
believe me, it aint rare at all
there are still people who are afraid of admitting it
alot of it down to family and friends rather than other things though
Quote from: Ice KayQuote from: SeriousQuote from: Ice KayA terrorist will hide the fact he is a terrorist, i pretty much doubt a gay person will pretend he isnt gay.
Until they changed the law those who were gay tended to hide the fact, many even got married because of persecution.
That was then, this is now, gays/lesbians are alot more open, just look around you, on television, on soaps (corrie, eastenders,hollyoaks etc), celebrities and singers are open about the sexuality too.
Celebrities, Singers, Television... yes... for those of that live in the real world in a still relatively conservative (about some things) Britain however...