Quote from: Davemax - why did you start smoking?

you say you could quit any time?

why dont you then - are you really that stupid or are you simply too arrogant to realise that you may have an addiction.

Why quit?


I love smoking, but do so in moderation. Big deal.

Im sure you eat sausages occasionaly, and they cause similar heart conditions.

I do o get the fact that sausage eating and smoking differ. Blowing wurst smoke is dificult---but in the end its about personal responsability.

Freaked about smoke? Dont go to a smokey tavern. Duh..

To smokey pubs and rooms I found to be a pain even then I smoked. The ban in sweden works very well, my wife smokes and goes outside to smoke even at home not because I told her but because she do not wont the home "stained" by smoke. Max there is a lot of small towns that only have one or two places to go to so a choice does not excist. In sweden in norway and other places there a smoke ban for public places has been invoked there has been a lot of bitching and moaning at first but it has all worked out remarkably well just give it a half a year or so.

Quote from: bearbut because she do not wont the home "stained" by smoke.

My father used to have to repaint the ceiling in the living room every year because he and mum smoked resulting in a yucky yellow staining. After they stopped the painting stopped too. Present one hasnt been repainted in two years. In the previous House I painted the living room ceiling when we moved in and only repainted when we were getting ready to sell the place ten years later.

Quote from: BeakerHaving apint of lager doesnt harm anyone around you no, but then again nobody has _conclusively_ proved it doesnt either.  Similarly nobody has _conclusively_ proved that passive smoking is bad for you either.  Studies have shown that it "may" be a contributing factor.

Thats a typical "Roll over and ignore a wealth of medical evidence" response  

As far as Im concerned, it comes down to this:

If I walked into a bar, got out a gas stove and started frying up a pan of piss, Id probably be asked to leave, and quite rightly so.  I cant see any smokers stepping in and shouting about my right to create a god-awful stench in public.  The fact that people are allowed to do the same with nicotine is purely due to it being such an old practice.  In my opinion, if youre a smoker, the onus is on you to ensure that youre not affecting others, not the other way round.  Its like me juggling with nuclear warheads in my back garden and then chastising my neighbours for complaining about the fallout blowing over their garden.  

Quote from: maximusotterWhy quit?

fairly obvious - if it needs explaining to you then there isnt much hope tbh...

QuoteI love smoking, but do so in moderation. Big deal.

Im sure you eat sausages occasionaly, and they cause similar heart conditions.

crack on - just do it in your own home

comparing it to eating sausages is laughable tbh...

What a load of slapped arsed babies smokers are...

My missus, a few of my mates and some relatives have respiratory problems, some congenital, some are work related and as a result they cannot tolerate dusty or smokey environments.

Hence because some pleb who smokes, refuses to smoke outside of the pub or just not smoke, my friends or relatives or other people in a similar condition cannot enjoy a drink in that pub?

If the smokers didnt smoke in that pub, then everyone could go in there... BUT if a number of smokers light up the air is polluted.

Smokers really do show themselves up to be, "Im alright jack", "screw everyone else" kind of people on such issues.

Its not going to kill someone if they dont smoke.

And these utter cretins who say, "lets have a smoking area in bars and pubs"

1) Its like having a "pissing" area in a swimming pool
2) Youll be crying because you are penned up away from the non-smokers.

Smoking kills, if you want to smoke, do it in your own sh*t pit and dont claim on the NHS when you are coughing and wheezing like some old cripple...

also, dont compare smoking with eating junk food...

Ive worked in the medical research/hospital environment to know that smoking is suicide and when youre cramming your lungs with that sh*t, youre making someone else do it... another example of how smokers are selfish...

Well done that man..... everything rang true (im a reformed smoker)..... and the swimming pool comment made me rofl

Quote from: BadabingWhat a load of slapped arsed babies smokers are...

My missus, a few of my mates and some relatives have respiratory problems, some congenital, some are work related and as a result they cannot tolerate dusty or smokey environments.

Hence because some pleb who smokes, refuses to smoke outside of the pub or just not smoke, my friends or relatives or other people in a similar condition cannot enjoy a drink in that pub?

If the smokers didnt smoke in that pub, then everyone could go in there... BUT if a number of smokers light up the air is polluted.

Smokers really do show themselves up to be, "Im alright jack", "screw everyone else" kind of people on such issues.

Its not going to kill someone if they dont smoke.

And these utter cretins who say, "lets have a smoking area in bars and pubs"

1) Its like having a "pissing" area in a swimming pool
2) Youll be crying because you are penned up away from the non-smokers.

Smoking kills, if you want to smoke, do it in your own sh*t pit and dont claim on the NHS when you are coughing and wheezing like some old cripple...

also, dont compare smoking with eating junk food...

Ive worked in the medical research/hospital environment to know that smoking is suicide and when youre cramming your lungs with that sh*t, youre making someone else do it... another example of how smokers are selfish...

Couldnt have put it better

lol.. legend. Made me spray the macs screen with coke after reading the pissing bit rofl.

Well explained

I want a pissing area in the swimming pool.
Its not fair.  A travesty even!

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Quote from: BeakerHaving apint of lager doesnt harm anyone around you no, but then again nobody has _conclusively_ proved it doesnt either.  Similarly nobody has _conclusively_ proved that passive smoking is bad for you either.  Studies have shown that it "may" be a contributing factor.

Thats a typical "Roll over and ignore a wealth of medical evidence" response  

As far as Im concerned, it comes down to this:

If I walked into a bar, got out a gas stove and started frying up a pan of piss, Id probably be asked to leave, and quite rightly so.  I cant see any smokers stepping in and shouting about my right to create a god-awful stench in public.  The fact that people are allowed to do the same with nicotine is purely due to it being such an old practice.  In my opinion, if youre a smoker, the onus is on you to ensure that youre not affecting others, not the other way round.  Its like me juggling with nuclear warheads in my back garden and then chastising my neighbours for complaining about the fallout blowing over their garden.  

heh im not arguing with the fact smoking has been linked to a variety of illnessess. I was making a point that Alcohol and Nicotine are both dangerous substances, and when you imbibe either then you take full responsibility for any ill effects.  

As i said, my regular watering hole is in the process of finishing off an "outside" area in what was formerly the beer garden about 15 years back, and about 4 refurbs ago.  Not been used for years, so the landlord decided to cover it over, spruce it up and let the smokers use it (Freehold Pub and business with no ties to breweries are a wonderful thing).  Im fine with the arrangement, however i give it maybe 30 minutes before someone comes into the smoking area and complains about the smoke.  The landlord has told us we can be as insulting as we like, provided we dont get violent.  He himself will be out there having a pipe with us anyhow.  

Quote from: Badabing*words*

heh, nah.  it was non-smokers whining that they "had" to breath smoke that got it banned.  Youll find most smokers have already worked out what they will do when the ban comes into force.  Most wont stop smoking, and they will likely move off to places they can continue to smoke.  We wont be crying about being penned away form non-smokers, but if the non-smokers come into the smoking areas and complain we should be legally allowed to put our cigs out on them
As for the NHS, the amount i pay in Tax to the government when buying cigs could be put aside for treatment of smoking related diseases, that would mean we pay in advance for our treatment, seems fair.  We pay for our own self inflicted injuries.
On a personal level i cant stand people smoking when im eating, and i wont smoke when others are.  I dont even consider asking if im at someones house and they dont smoke, nor do i when im in a non-smokers car.  I dont smoke around my GF very often, in fact ill actually wander into the next room, or go outside if she is around.  She doesnt mind the smell (in fact if im smoking a cigar ill be naked 10 minutes after i light it), but she doesnt smoke so i dont when she is here.  
oh, and THOSE ****ing little ***ts On ****ing Skateboards are back again.  Im getting homicidal, its FREEZING out there and they dont know when to piss off.

Quote from: Beakerheh im not arguing with the fact smoking has been linked to a variety of illnessess. I was making a point that Alcohol and Nicotine are both dangerous substances, and when you imbibe either then you take full responsibility for any ill effects.  

Indeed.  But why should a smoker have the right to decide whether I imbibe his smoke?

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Quote from: Beakerheh im not arguing with the fact smoking has been linked to a variety of illnessess. I was making a point that Alcohol and Nicotine are both dangerous substances, and when you imbibe either then you take full responsibility for any ill effects.  

Indeed.  But why should a smoker have the right to decide whether I imbibe his smoke?

If im in an area, outside the fabric of the building that the landlord has kindly provided for smokers usage then a non-smoker has no right into it and moan about smoke.  The Licencee has paid for the smoking area out of his own pocket to give his customers somewhere to smoke.  Nothing wrong with it, because if the licencee welcomes smokers its pretty much tough.  none of us here have a _right_ to enter a pub and be served anyway.  

beaker quotes me, makes a facetious comment then makes no references to any part of my post except make points which are irrelevant...

beaker, if people who have campaigned for smoking to be banned, why would they go into a place where people smoke?

i dont know what your point is...  :?

Quote from: Badabingbeaker quotes me, makes a facetious comment then makes no references to any part of my post except make points which are irrelevant...

beaker, if people who have campaigned for smoking to be banned, why would they go into a place where people smoke?

i dont know what your point is...  :?

because even you must admit some of the non-smokers are unbelievably patronising and irritating.  Some of them _will_ go into the smoking areas and cause hassle.  One of the Wetherspoons pubs round me had a HUGE no-smoking area, in fact it was the largest bit of the pub for years. THe smokers where forced into the back corner out of the way, and isolated from the rest of the pub.  Despite that the amount of times non-smokers came and sat down near me and my lates then whined about smoke i lost count of.  There where 4 tall signs saying it was the smoking area!  they where either illiterate or just being annoying when the rest of the pub was empty.  


And since you insist:

QuoteIf the smokers didnt smoke in that pub, then everyone could go in there... BUT if a number of smokers light up the air is polluted.

see this is my big problem with _anyones_ argument about not smoking in pubs.  The licencee should have been left to decide, with decent incentives to make the bars no smoking.  A licencee can refuse to let someone in a pub just because he feels that way inclined.  When you go into a pub you are effectively (and legally) entering his house.  In his house he should be permitted the same freedoms everyone else has.  I wouldnt dream of going into a mates house and telling him to stop doing something, its _his_ house after all.  

QuoteSmokers really do show themselves up to be, "Im alright jack", "screw everyone else" kind of people on such issues.

Some do, some dont. Youll find that most smokers will stub it out if someone gives them a decent reason to then and there, but the majority of non-smokers have a habit of being very rude about it.  If my smoke is causing someone a serious problem ill tend to move, or stub it out.  Unless of course they start and extended rant, in that case since ive been inflicted with their usually patronising, and often downright demanding rant ill chainsmoke, or better still get a good fat cigar on the go.  Politeness costs nothing, and pays fortunes.  

QuoteSmoking kills, if you want to smoke, do it in your own sh*t pit and dont claim on the NHS when you are coughing and wheezing like some old cripple...

I do like a cig, i also love cigars.  I actually resent the "sh*t pit" comment, that suggest smokers are all scumbags and the like.  Actually no, but i can introduce you to some truely vile and disgusting human beings who live like pigs, yet still have the audacity to have a go at me for smoking.  

Quotealso, dont compare smoking with eating junk food...

No indeed not, give us another 20 years for obesity and haert disease due to overeating to be the largest killer in the UK.  Well catch up with the USA eventually.  

QuoteIve worked in the medical research/hospital environment to know that smoking is suicide and when youre cramming your lungs with that sh*t, youre making someone else do it... another example of how smokers are selfish...

When you use anything that is petrol powered you are helping to cram yours and everyone elses lungs full of sh*t as well.  Smoking isnt responsible for the Smogs in various cities around the world, cars are.  Drivers are selfish for burning a non-renewable source of fuel, and polluting the air around them with Hydrocarbons and CO2.  Yes i also drive, but i do it as little as possible because i dont need to drive most places i go.