Well since more will start having these and with the official sdk and features to come about as well as the current jailbreaking I thought I would start a thread
Recently updated mu ipod touch to 1.1.4 and jail broke it and took some screenshots
Two themes I am switching between at the moment
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2572/snap231527in5.png) (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2572/snap231436ow1.png)
OTT WoW addict :p
iWhatnow?
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/222/sceenshx1.png)
Thats the rom im using, not my phone though.
Quote from: Poison_UKOTT WoW addict :p
Have not played wow in what 1 and a half years now? a long time anyway just thought it was a mad interface, do not use it got the other as default at the moment but I got a few others I an cap
Quote from: soopahflyiWhatnow?
Thats the rom im using, not my phone though.
I need to take a video of mine. Very impressive default rom on my Orbit II. :)
I have a Kyocera phone. Its f**king sh*te.
Quote from: SamI have a Kyocera phone. Its f**king sh*te.
Get an iphone then, cheap as chips, grap ziphoneOSX jailbreak and sim unblock and activate it it by just pressing one button and then put some cool free apps on, stick your sim card in and your sorted with nice but not perfect phone BUT be on the provider your on now and able to install 3rd party apps to do functions you want it to and make it look how you want with some themes and have a wifi device to transfer files etc, can have pdf reader on them for example
I dunno which planet you live on if you think an iphone is cheap as chips.
Quote from: SamI dunno which planet you live on if you think an iphone is cheap as chips.
In the US you can get it for good prices, loads in say UK are buying them in the US
Chips 1.10.
iPhone 300+
:s
Quote from: Poison_UKChips 1.10.
iPhone 300+
:s
These are not chips... these are Nexus Chips. ;)
This is M&Nexus ;)
Quote from: Poison_UKThis is M&Nexus ;)
:lol:
lol
nexus lives in cookuu land
I think Nexus has spent a little too much time talking to Neil...
The iphone is ridiculously over priced, the only people who are going to pay for it are apple junkies or those easily taken in by their technology adverts.
You can pick up an iphone bran new off the net in the us or $300 dollars I have seen off places like ebay
Compared to other high end phones and when you unblock it etc and start putting apps on it for me that is indeed cheap really compared to the cost here and hence why people are buying them here from there.
Unlocked phones now that is a rip off since you can do it yourself with one button press
Quote from: neXusYou can pick up an iphone bran new off the net in the us or $300 dollars I have seen off places like ebay
Compared to other high end phones and when you unblock it etc and start putting apps on it for me that is indeed cheap really compared to the cost here and hence why people are buying them here from there.
Unlocked phones now that is a rip off since you can do it yourself with one button press
I have $300 to waste on a gimmick so I can browse you tube.
What annoys me so much about the iphone.... its not even decent programs. The majority of the default stuff it comes with are just extensions to the browser it has.
Stocks and shares... rendering in its browser.
Facebook... rendering in its browser.
If you took this mini safari or whatever it is out of the equation really you have a rather sh*t phone. :)
The "navigation" people wail about isnt unique... Ill post a video of my phone that cost me nothing :)
Just made a 7min video of some of the functions now Ive made it I remembered I forgot to cover the rotate, and zoomed pan functions of the camera album. Sure I forgot other stuff but itll do. :)
Quote from: SamQuote from: neXusYou can pick up an iphone bran new off the net in the us or $300 dollars I have seen off places like ebay
Compared to other high end phones and when you unblock it etc and start putting apps on it for me that is indeed cheap really compared to the cost here and hence why people are buying them here from there.
Unlocked phones now that is a rip off since you can do it yourself with one button press
I have $300 to waste on a gimmick so I can browse you tube.
I just pointed out how it can not be when you jailbreak it or watch the software role out with the sdk, lol but never mind :P
Watch more phones go the same way with android from google and the new os from ms in the works
No you said it was cheap as chips !! I dont consider $300 + contract cheap as chips !!
Was fighting with a problem with activesync at the same time (trying to sync with the works exchange server using RSA VPN and via the phones GPRS simultaneously = deadlock :D)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7556924338837694745&hl=en-GB
10 points to whoever gets the name of the band playing in the background :)
Capabilities:
On board GPS.
3mpx Camera
HUUUUGGGEE Library of 3rd party apps.
Supports upto 32GB microSDHC
Wi-Fi (wpa, wep, b/g)
Bluetooth (including Stereo audio if I had the dosh to splash out for a wireless headset)
Cost: Nill on a £50 a month contract. Includes 1200 minutes, 500 texts (cause I bought it in store, not online). 12 month contract.
I wish you could get a decent phone here on a contract.
Check out tmobile.com or verizon.com
:(
Im off to bed I think :) lol Been long enough messing with google video :D
Quote from: SamNo you said it was cheap as chips !! I dont consider $300 + contract cheap as chips !!
Sam, read, you do not have to use the expensive contract ^^
Hehe nice review M3ta7h3ad
You should look at viddler - http://www.viddler.com/ nice player, nice speed etc, good quality ouput
Got agree about as standard about the browser but then as my ipod and others and phones shown jailbroken its much more and apps a plenty doing all sorts from useful to useless and you should see more useful ones through th sdk
Still not perfect bu I think the iphone has the greater potential
Quote from: M3ta7h3adWas fighting with a problem with activesync at the same time (trying to sync with the works exchange server using RSA VPN and via the phones GPRS simultaneously = deadlock :D)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7556924338837694745&hl=en-GB
10 points to whoever gets the name of the band playing in the background :)
Capabilities:
On board GPS.
3mpx Camera
HUUUUGGGEE Library of 3rd party apps.
Supports upto 32GB microSDHC
Wi-Fi (wpa, wep, b/g)
Bluetooth (including Stereo audio if I had the dosh to splash out for a wireless headset)
Cost: Nill on a £50 a month contract. Includes 1200 minutes, 500 texts (cause I bought it in store, not online). 12 month contract.
If you dont want it on contract your looking around 300, again expensive but the contracts from o2 seem a lot more flexible than the iPhone ones also from o2.
Quote from: Poison_UKQuote from: M3ta7h3adWas fighting with a problem with activesync at the same time (trying to sync with the works exchange server using RSA VPN and via the phones GPRS simultaneously = deadlock :D)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7556924338837694745&hl=en-GB
10 points to whoever gets the name of the band playing in the background :)
Capabilities:
On board GPS.
3mpx Camera
HUUUUGGGEE Library of 3rd party apps.
Supports upto 32GB microSDHC
Wi-Fi (wpa, wep, b/g)
Bluetooth (including Stereo audio if I had the dosh to splash out for a wireless headset)
Cost: Nill on a £50 a month contract. Includes 1200 minutes, 500 texts (cause I bought it in store, not online). 12 month contract.
If you dont want it on contract your looking around 300, again expensive but the contracts from o2 seem a lot more flexible than the iPhone ones also from o2.
True but then it comes with HSDPA, GPS onboard, upto 32gb of storage on a card, runs windows mobile 6 professional with the HTC modifications (the cube, scrolling, camera, gallery, messaging) which gives it the iphone styling, but because it runs WM6 well... just for an example:
Clicky I got to application 2100 before I gave up counting :) whoever wants to can continue counting from where I left off :D
3rd party apps... psht windows mobile 6 has it licked :D
Actually I did it... on handandgo.com not counting what you can find just by googling. There are 5991 different 3rd party applications for windows mobile 6 devices.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adActually I did it... on handandgo.com not counting what you can find just by googling. There are 5991 different 3rd party applications for windows mobile 6 devices.
How long has windows mobile been going though?
Quote from: neXusQuote from: SamI dunno which planet you live on if you think an iphone is cheap as chips.
In the US you can get it for good prices, loads in say UK are buying them in the US
Why pay new tech prices for old hat
Quote from: M3ta7h3adWas fighting with a problem with activesync at the same time (trying to sync with the works exchange server using RSA VPN and via the phones GPRS simultaneously = deadlock :D)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7556924338837694745&hl=en-GB
10 points to whoever gets the name of the band playing in the background :)
Capabilities:
On board GPS.
3mpx Camera
HUUUUGGGEE Library of 3rd party apps.
Supports upto 32GB microSDHC
Wi-Fi (wpa, wep, b/g)
Bluetooth (including Stereo audio if I had the dosh to splash out for a wireless headset)
Cost: Nill on a £50 a month contract. Includes 1200 minutes, 500 texts (cause I bought it in store, not online). 12 month contract.
RSA - do you work for a govt org? Theyre the only ones who buy their overpriced stuff nowadays
Quote from: M3ta7h3adIf you took this mini safari or whatever it is out of the equation really you have a rather sh*t phone. :)
In terms of performance for display, video rendering and processing I think youve been misled.
Theres not many phones on the market even now with the same level of processing or using graphics cores with the same level of capability. And the iphones not brand sparkly new anymore but still leaps and bounds ahead of many prosumer hardware platforms.
They may not be using the hardware in a way youd like (thats personal choice and why theres a market for phones) but to believe the hardware isnt at the very cutting edge is a little naive and frankly incorrect.
Quote from: neXusQuote from: SamNo you said it was cheap as chips !! I dont consider $300 + contract cheap as chips !!
Sam, read, you do not have to use the expensive contract ^^
Find me a cheap contract here, they dont exist
They want $60 a month for a pants contract.
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: M3ta7h3adIf you took this mini safari or whatever it is out of the equation really you have a rather sh*t phone. :)
In terms of performance for display, video rendering and processing I think youve been misled.
Theres not many phones on the market even now with the same level of processing or using graphics cores with the same level of capability. And the iphones not brand sparkly new anymore but still leaps and bounds ahead of many prosumer hardware platforms.
They may not be using the hardware in a way youd like (thats personal choice and why theres a market for phones) but to believe the hardware isnt at the very cutting edge is a little naive and frankly incorrect.
How does it compare to my 3 year old axim x51v 624MHz with VGA graphics? - Im just interested, as modern WM6 devices are still a touch on the slow side.
Quote from: MarkHow does it compare to my 3 year old axim x51v 624MHz with VGA graphics? - Im just interested, as modern WM6 devices are still a touch on the slow side.
Well, I guess it's tricky to say since the iPhone's hardware specs aren't public knowledge and noone knows/says who builds their processors and graphics systems or which models are in it. It's also not helped by the fact I work in the video/graphics development team for the company who built the graphics systems for the Dell Axim range... But anyway...
Your Dell Axim x51 is running an Intel 2700 graphics core with 16MB of memory. The Intel G2700 (Marathon) is a low power graphics co-processor built on a PowerVR MBX Lite core made by my company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_2700G. It's a very good graphics core indeed for a phone and you've picked a very high end PDA for comparison purposes even though it's 3 years old. However it is the lite version of one of our MBX cores (not the latest core or the full version).
Unfortunately, noone knows for sure what's inside the current iPhone but people are doing there best to work out what's inside it. A while after the iPhone went live the hardware crash reports hit the media and this thread got linked from many of the world's biggest news papers and news outlets.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?s=ae439f1bc49f6a698133e6c2f2cf85aa&t=42496Those reports seem to be saying there's also an MBX core in the iPhone (no mention of the lite version) plus several advanced image processing systems like hardware H264/JPEG acceleration, vector floating point coprocessor(s) and 3D accelerator(s). That's a lot of extra video processing silicon lurking in an iPhone and it may not be the lite version of the core. In the same way that a Celeron could be considered a lite version of a Pentium you might expect the lite version to not be as powerful.
Put them side by side and the iPhone certainly feels much more powerful. But unfortunately we can't really answer this unless we knew exactly what core the iPhone was using. My gut feeling is that the iPhone is more powerful but who knows – I might be a fan boy ? Personally I hope it's the Dell is better as we definitely built that one, everything about the iPhone hardware is just speculation until they tell us what's inside it.
you would also have to assume theres going to be more visual dedicated memory in an iPhone since its also a h264 video player.
Quote from: SteveFyou would also have to assume theres going to be more visual dedicated memory in an iPhone since its also a h264 video player.
Having tried one out, I was woefully unimpressed by it. Yes I will say it seemed slick, but nowhere near as impressive as its made out to be.
As for unimpressive tech... I dont want my phone to play movies well (though it does so admirably), I want it to call people, text, mms, connect to the internet, provide a range of methods of connectivity.
In fact a phone at its core nowerdays is a multi-purpose communication device. All the communications hardware contained within the iphone can be found on the average windows mobile device from 1.5 years back. Bring it forward a year, and most would in fact beat the iphone connectivity wise. Thats the biggest let down. Slick... but all it serves to be is a piece of eye candy.
Whats the point in buying a ipod touch with a crap phone attached vs buying an ipod touch.
Quote from: MarkQuote from: M3ta7h3adWas fighting with a problem with activesync at the same time (trying to sync with the works exchange server using RSA VPN and via the phones GPRS simultaneously = deadlock :D)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7556924338837694745&hl=en-GB
10 points to whoever gets the name of the band playing in the background :)
Capabilities:
On board GPS.
3mpx Camera
HUUUUGGGEE Library of 3rd party apps.
Supports upto 32GB microSDHC
Wi-Fi (wpa, wep, b/g)
Bluetooth (including Stereo audio if I had the dosh to splash out for a wireless headset)
Cost: Nill on a £50 a month contract. Includes 1200 minutes, 500 texts (cause I bought it in store, not online). 12 month contract.
I work for a contractor mate.
RSA - do you work for a govt org? Theyre the only ones who buy their overpriced stuff nowadays
Quote from: M3ta7h3adWhats the point in buying a ipod touch with a crap phone attached vs buying an ipod touch.
I dont have to buy any phone but thats somewhat beside the point. The reason would be not carrying two devices and frankly Ive not yet found a phone that can do as much as the iPhone. I do wish it had a better camera. I do wish I didnt have to go third party to send MMS. I would have liked GPS built in. Everything else is pretty much fine.
And tbh that wasnt based on a choice of 1 or 2 phones or not knowing what they do.
Different strokes for different folks but I havent found a windows based phone that comes close to the iPhone for what I want.
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: M3ta7h3adWhats the point in buying a ipod touch with a crap phone attached vs buying an ipod touch.
I dont have to buy any phone but thats somewhat beside the point. The reason would be not carrying two devices and frankly Ive not yet found a phone that can do as much as the iPhone. I do wish it had a better camera. I do wish I didnt have to go third party to send MMS. I would have liked GPS built in. Everything else is pretty much fine.
And tbh that wasnt based on a choice of 1 or 2 phones or not knowing what they do.
Different strokes for different folks but I havent found a windows based phone that comes close to the iPhone for what I want.
What do you want though?
As even on the music front windows media player 11 and the sync feature even takes on itunes quite admirably.
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: MarkHow does it compare to my 3 year old axim x51v 624MHz with VGA graphics? - Im just interested, as modern WM6 devices are still a touch on the slow side.
Well, I guess it's tricky to say since the iPhone's hardware specs aren't public knowledge and noone knows/says who builds their processors and graphics systems or which models are in it. It's also not helped by the fact I work in the video/graphics development team for the company who built the graphics systems for the Dell Axim range... But anyway...
Your Dell Axim x51 is running an Intel 2700 graphics core with 16MB of memory. The Intel G2700 (Marathon) is a low power graphics co-processor built on a PowerVR MBX Lite core made by my company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_2700G. It's a very good graphics core indeed for a phone and you've picked a very high end PDA for comparison purposes even though it's 3 years old. However it is the lite version of one of our MBX cores (not the latest core or the full version).
Unfortunately, noone knows for sure what's inside the current iPhone but people are doing there best to work out what's inside it. A while after the iPhone went live the hardware crash reports hit the media and this thread got linked from many of the world's biggest news papers and news outlets.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?s=ae439f1bc49f6a698133e6c2f2cf85aa&t=42496
Those reports seem to be saying there's also an MBX core in the iPhone (no mention of the lite version) plus several advanced image processing systems like hardware H264/JPEG acceleration, vector floating point coprocessor(s) and 3D accelerator(s). That's a lot of extra video processing silicon lurking in an iPhone and it may not be the lite version of the core. In the same way that a Celeron could be considered a lite version of a Pentium you might expect the lite version to not be as powerful.
Put them side by side and the iPhone certainly feels much more powerful. But unfortunately we can't really answer this unless we knew exactly what core the iPhone was using. My gut feeling is that the iPhone is more powerful but who knows – I might be a fan boy ? Personally I hope it's the Dell is better as we definitely built that one, everything about the iPhone hardware is just speculation until they tell us what's inside it.
Cheers for the response! Seems this old thing may well be worth hanging on to for a bit yet !!
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?node=home/shop_iphone/family/iphone&cid=OAS-US-KWG-iPhone&aosid=p202&esvt=GOUSE101146800&esvadt=999999-0-1024432-1&esvid=101045
Cheap nexus, Ill have two.
Quote from: Samhttp://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?node=home/shop_iphone/family/iphone&cid=OAS-US-KWG-iPhone&aosid=p202&esvt=GOUSE101146800&esvadt=999999-0-1024432-1&esvid=101045
Cheap nexus, Ill have two.
it would be worth reading whole threads and not just a couple of words on them
Go look on
ebay.com as mentioned in the post and other sources. Brand new ipods that have not been unlocked $300 or less you can then use ziphone OSX on (free program, one button) run what ever sim you want, pay as you go even and put more apps on and when you compare to other high end phones these days their cost just for the phone is similar, and its an ipod as well dont forget
Like the things or not but you can pick them up for a good price in the US for what they are and what they can do now you can so easily unblock and jailbreak them.
Im not going on f**king scam bay.
Find a proper source not some sh*t.
Quote from: M3ta7h3adWhat do you want though?
As even on the music front windows media player 11 and the sync feature even takes on itunes quite admirably.
I want a phone that will make international calls (quad band but tri band would probably do)
I want SMS
I want mobile email
I want wireless internet with real web pages (not mobile ones)
I want a good audio player I can use all the time
I want a video player for tv episodes @ the gym.
I want VoIP.
Ive not found any other phone that gives me the same standard on all of these. Blackberry does better email by far. Nothing does better media playback. Other phones do VoIP with less hassle. Find me a phone you think can solve my needs better (chances are we made it so Ill go get one from upstairs). Moneys no concern.
My dell XPS M1530 laptop with 3G card built in and a sim slot behind the battery :)
Quote from: SamIm not going on f**king scam bay.
Find a proper source not some sh*t.
LOL, why should I found a source? You do not want one although there is plenty and ebay is fine if you know what your doing on it, lots of people have got cheap iphones etc off their, my m8 got a brand new macbook pro for £900 less then on apple and its perfect, lucky git.
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: M3ta7h3adWhat do you want though?
As even on the music front windows media player 11 and the sync feature even takes on itunes quite admirably.
I want a phone that will make international calls (quad band but tri band would probably do)
I want SMS
I want mobile email
I want wireless internet with real web pages (not mobile ones)
I want a good audio player I can use all the time
I want a video player for tv episodes @ the gym.
I want VoIP.
Ive not found any other phone that gives me the same standard on all of these. Blackberry does better email by far. Nothing does better media playback. Other phones do VoIP with less hassle. Find me a phone you think can solve my needs better (chances are we made it so Ill go get one from upstairs). Moneys no concern.
People seem to forget though it is apples first go, you can look at every other for a year as research and still not do yours as good the first time around and no one says its perfect
I can see them fitting 3g support, updated wifi and some other tweaks hardware wise But it is a very simple thing in regard to the OS and the fact it is basically OSX etc to update the software over time to improve on the aspects.
Next gen and the one after that will be leaps forward, if the rumour is true about the intel chip in the 3rd gen - rendering etc should be very slick on the iphone.
I want a phone that will make international calls (quad band but tri band would probably do)
Most Windows Mobile devices now currently support Quad Band.
I want SMS
Er.. yes of course.
I want mobile email
Windows Mobile 6 Professional provides support for IMAP, POP3, Exchange and the best Push Email via Exchange. In a client that syncs with the most popular desktop email client, and provides real HTML email functionality and support for word/powerpoint/excel documents as well as zipped files, jpgs/gifs... can also (with 3rd party software i.e. adobe acrobat reader) support PDF.
I want wireless internet with real web pages (not mobile ones)
Windows Mobile devices come with PocketIE, displaying full HTML pages, not mobile. Iphone on the otherhand only really works well when displaying iphone specific webapps.
I want a good audio player I can use all the time
Use gsplayer, windows media player, htc audio manager, any number of free 3rd party audio players
I want a video player for tv episodes @ the gym.
Video player... with TCPMP and just using divx converter to convert files down for my screen (saving on space) I have had no issues whatsoever, playing full length movies, not just 45mins of tv.
I want VoIP.
I currently use a voip client on my Windows Mobile phone, works fine. Connects to Sipgate and cant fault it.
If money is no limit, then you can get a damn nice windows mobile device that will achieve more than your iphone can, that is also likely to outlive your iphone in usefulness.
Quote from: SteveFQuote from: M3ta7h3adWhat do you want though?
As even on the music front windows media player 11 and the sync feature even takes on itunes quite admirably.
I want a phone that will make international calls (quad band but tri band would probably do)
I want SMS
I want mobile email
I want wireless internet with real web pages (not mobile ones)
I want a good audio player I can use all the time
I want a video player for tv episodes @ the gym.
I want VoIP.
Ive not found any other phone that gives me the same standard on all of these. Blackberry does better email by far. Nothing does better media playback. Other phones do VoIP with less hassle. Find me a phone you think can solve my needs better (chances are we made it so Ill go get one from upstairs). Moneys no concern.
new n96 when it comes out. even has a DVB hardware TV tuner built in + TV out.
(http://800lbgorilla.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/026_lucky_nerd.jpg)
Quote from: MarkMy dell XPS M1530 laptop with 3G card built in and a sim slot behind the battery :)
I have a Dell XPS M1710 already :)
Quote from: MetalheadI want a phone that will make international calls (quad band but tri band would probably do)
Most Windows Mobile devices now currently support Quad Band.
I want SMS
Er.. yes of course.
I want mobile email
Windows Mobile 6 Professional provides support for IMAP, POP3, Exchange and the best Push Email via Exchange. In a client that syncs with the most popular desktop email client, and provides real HTML email functionality and support for word/powerpoint/excel documents as well as zipped files, jpgs/gifs... can also (with 3rd party software i.e. adobe acrobat reader) support PDF.
I want wireless internet with real web pages (not mobile ones)
Windows Mobile devices come with PocketIE, displaying full HTML pages, not mobile. Iphone on the otherhand only really works well when displaying iphone specific webapps.
I want a good audio player I can use all the time
Use gsplayer, windows media player, htc audio manager, any number of free 3rd party audio players
I want a video player for tv episodes @ the gym.
Video player... with TCPMP and just using divx converter to convert files down for my screen (saving on space) I have had no issues whatsoever, playing full length movies, not just 45mins of tv.
I want VoIP.
I currently use a voip client on my Windows Mobile phone, works fine. Connects to Sipgate and cant fault it.
So youve just given me a list of things that windows mobile can do as well. 3rd party media playback, general same phone features.
BTW, not sure where you got the idea that the iphone only works with webapps lol. Have you actually used the autoscaling safari browser? If anything I think that is the big selling feature of the iPhone. None, and I mean none of the other browser systems on any phone Ive seen or used have that kind of ease of use. Double tap auto zoom, pinch expansion, dropping in and out of video formats seemlessly, etc etc.
QuoteIf money is no limit, then you can get a damn nice windows mobile device that will achieve more than your iphone can, that is also likely to outlive your iphone in usefulness.
So, you say but as we make almost all of them and I can get any I chose... Please pick one. Ive tried pretty much all of the high end phones currently on release. Theres a couple coming that destroy it but right now there really isnt. Ive still not been impressed with the windows mobile systems. Blackberrys are an exception to this as they do their specific role fantastically well.
Seriously, pick a current release phone and Ill walk upstairs and get one and see if youre right. Because I must have missed it.
Quote from: Eggtasticonew n96 when it comes out. even has a DVB hardware TV tuner built in + TV out.
Yeah the n95 is good so Im keen to see how the 96 goes down. Its a whole generation ahead tho so not really apples for apples (its also one of our phones since its using an OMAP core). Current windows mobile systems arent using our next gen chip yet so thats why Im not convinced theyre going to be up there.
I think you should all go out and buy the n96 when it hits (I want a new car) :)