http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0459.2007.00328.x
http://www.science.gu.se/english/News/?contentId=760313
Even before that, when we started farming, the levels of methane in the atmosphere racked up quite dramatically. That on its own was enough to prevent the expected drop into an ice age. The present carbon dioxide injection into the air is overkill TBVH.
Also in the news - the US government signs a climate deal, although what is going to happen isnt clear. Normally loads of countries sign up for UN deals, and then, maybe, three of them actually carry out the agreement.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7145608.stm
And if you havent read this there may be no ice at all in the Arctic during the summer months by 2013. That could be a real problem due to far more heat being absorbed by the water than snow or ice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm
OH MY GOD im getting bored with all this global warming sh*t!
My thoughts as well, it is an overkill and to much of ice melting can produce large floods.
We produce far to much carbondioxide but in new method
being developed by inventor Angelica Hull the carbondioxide is used in the fuel ! the method involves hydrogen and dehydrating and hydrating well the news today did not say so much on how they do it but they can produce it and it is going to be tested soon.I cannot find much in english on the subject but the US is very interested.
http://www.tekforums.co.uk/posts/list/10606.page
Quote from: bearhttp://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0459.2007.00328.x
http://www.science.gu.se/english/News/?contentId=760313
you do know that any suggestion that doesnt "Tow The Line" is heresy dont you?
The Global Warming Lobby are like religious fundamentalists. Anything (and I mean anything at all) that suggest that we either arent to blame, or are less responsible for the changes in climate than they want us to be gets swarmed.
Im still sat on the fence to be honest. Global temperature is cyclic (if it isnt then fairly obviously weve been lied to about the ice ages in the past), but there are large numbers of people that say we are the sole cause of global warming.
Regardless of anything else, Fairly soon (in the next 500 years or so), we are due another ice age.
Remember folks, Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!
Quote from: BeakerQuote from: bearhttp://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0459.2007.00328.x
http://www.science.gu.se/english/News/?contentId=760313
you do know that any suggestion that doesnt "Tow The Line" is heresy dont you?
The Global Warming Lobby are like religious fundamentalists. Anything (and I mean anything at all) that suggest that we either arent to blame, or are less responsible for the changes in climate than they want us to be gets swarmed.
Im still sat on the fence to be honest. Global temperature is cyclic (if it isnt then fairly obviously weve been lied to about the ice ages in the past), but there are large numbers of people that say we are the sole cause of global warming.
Regardless of anything else, Fairly soon (in the next 500 years or so), we are due another ice age.
Remember folks, Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!
Well in the swedish papers Ive read, Lars Franzén is very aware of that fact and sais so :)
I do think we are part in the rapidly escalation of the global warming and it needs to decrease in order to prevent the Flood from happening again..
Quote from: DEViANCEOH MY GOD im getting bored with all this global warming sh*t!
Well you need to get a good surfing board and be prepared ;)
Quote from: bearQuote from: DEViANCEOH MY GOD im getting bored with all this global warming sh*t!
Well you need to get a good surfing board and be prepared ;)
i live well above sea level so even if the crap is true it wont effect me.
but its all just natural changes anyway.
Quote from: DEViANCEQuote from: bearQuote from: DEViANCEOH MY GOD im getting bored with all this global warming sh*t!
Well you need to get a good surfing board and be prepared ;)
i live well above sea level so even if the crap is true it wont effect me.
but its all just natural changes anyway.
Except its not natural, and it will affect you, either in direct damage or costs.
Quote from: SeriousQuote from: DEViANCEQuote from: bearQuote from: DEViANCEOH MY GOD im getting bored with all this global warming sh*t!
Well you need to get a good surfing board and be prepared ;)
i live well above sea level so even if the crap is true it wont effect me.
but its all just natural changes anyway.
Except its not natural, and it will affect you, either in direct damage or costs.
yes it will effect me in costs but only because the government is using climate change as an excuse to tax everything more.
this country is so insignificant in regards to co2 output ANYTHING we do will make NO DIFFERENCE.
It all adds up though, and if we can reduce pollution then we can save on costs too. Most of our gas is now imported, as well as oil and quite a bit of electricity too, from France. If we can cut that then the debt we have drops too.
Putting up a few eco friendly light bulbs cost you very little but will save you money, probably within the first year you will be in profit. Same with using a more efficient car.
Add the options on generating our own electricity and it looks a good bit brighter for the UKs options.
In the end though lower costs will mean our products will be cheaper.
I agree that the main thing is getting all the other countries on board and doing something too, without that what we do wont make much difference.
The whole saving the world thing is bollocks. Cutting down pollution is good but hippies that think loft insulation and cycling everywhere is gonna put a dent in the 7 billion tonnes+ of carbon the world population is chucking out are taking too many drugs. Its like asking everyone to take a sip of the ocean to stop sea levels rising.
Plastic bags is another thing thats come up lately. The hippy way of thinking is completely screwed. Theyre obsessing over saving 4kgs of landfill space through a big Carrier Bag = Evil campaign, meanwhile the rain forest is being chopped down, the cod are all being eaten and abominable snow toads are going extinct.
Priorities/perspective.
Environmentalist hippies should be turned into organic fertiliser. The sooner the government realise this the better.
Quote from: sdpThe whole saving the world thing is bollocks.
Indeed, Planet Earth will still be here long after
homo sapiens becomes extinct. Hopefully there
will be cake though...
Oh, yeah, lets burn all the big users of energy in a generating plant. Thats the Americans first and sdp second.
In this case every little bit helps. By not getting plastic bags every time you go to the supermarket you might not save much plastic, but when twenty million people dont then its a hell of a lot of plastic thats being saved. Your four kilos become eighty million kilos.
Yes there are big priorities too, and we need to do those too, but we have to start somewhere.
Yes the notion the little I do does nothing is stupid, the reasen that there is so much pollotion is just that, many small discharges of pollution adds up to very much and obviously it is the same the other way around small stuff, reuse plastic bags, dont idle your car for a long time, walk if close enough, get energy saving lights etc. etc. if many do that it surly will make a difference.
Someone pointed out to me recently that a graduate friend of theirs - in some related field to this area - noted that it really all is a complete load of cobblers because all the gases we put out are nowhere near the levels of those put out everytime there is a volcanic eruption. If we really were doing all this damage, every time we had a volcano go off somewhere we would be seeing drastic climate change.
It is completely different from a volcano, that puts up both globally cooling and heating gasses. Huge volcanoes dont erupt every year to put up as much as we do. Its the sheer sustained quantity that matters on top of natural production.
I doubt a student can draw the right conclusion from the data he reads when the whole scientific community now agree on the humans role in pollution (which they did not a year or two ago). There is both natural causes and human
causes the human ones we can do something about as long as we agree. If one is a bit grown up and want our children to have a good place to live, everyone needs to do their little bit.
Theres volcanos which are sporadic periods of high volumes of gases, then there is the fact that over millions of years, we havent had the sustained level of gas output that we have now.
So...
Volcanic Eruptions on their own = long periods between ice ages.
Volcanic Eruptions + the constantly higher levels of gases currently in our atmosphere = an increased rate of change.
Its a simple matter of addition.
Well I cant say I agree with the view on volcanoes as its a third hand opinion Im giving, Ive never actually spoken to the bloke. But from what I gather it wasnt some student, it was a graduate in the field, so not necessarily entirely clueless.
As with anything these days, the science you read in the media and the factual science that lies underneath can sometimes be different things.
I personally dont think the problem doesnt exist, but I do think it is being overhyped.
It possibly is being overhyped, but can we afford to take the risk? If the worst happens then it would be better to catch it early, and the only likely way for fuel and energy prices is up. Saving some for the future might be good from all perspectives.
Quote from: Clockd 0NeWell I cant say I agree with the view on volcanoes as its a third hand opinion Im giving, Ive never actually spoken to the bloke. But from what I gather it wasnt some student, it was a graduate in the field, so not necessarily entirely clueless.
As with anything these days, the science you read in the media and the factual science that lies underneath can sometimes be different things.
I personally dont think the problem doesnt exist, but I do think it is being overhyped.
Id rather be prepared, than go "oh sh*t... look... tsunami."
I wouldnt. Yorkshire will have waterfront property and good weather, Ill be able to drive to the beach with the roof down more often :lol:
The present waterfront property will be well underwater. Great for those who own properties higher up tho :ptu: