Quote from: M3ta7h3adGive you a clue what got the top marks in my year.

- Legal case management system using oracle as a back end to a java front end, involved something about remote sites too not sure what, I do know the guy wrote a report topping 500+ pages.

In my uni that would get laughed at.

Id contribute an idea but I really cant think of anything that hasnt been done before?  Is this an important aspect of the project, or is it just the implementation of the idea?

Perhaps you should stick to what you know and improve upon it.  Conent Managed and E-Commerce websites?  Perhaps try to do one for a local comapny/buisness as a project.  

Quote from: CypherPerhaps try to do one for a local comapny/buisness as a project.  

I cant work for a company (even for free), Id get deported

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Quote from: M3ta7h3adIf hes unable to come up with anything you have to start to wonder is it really what he should be spending his time doing.

Maybe youre right. Ive been developing software since before you were born and Im probably bored of it now.

You miss my point.

Should you really be persuing a degree this late on in your life if you are unable to think of new concepts to come up with.

Yes, it proves what hes capable of in a way that is acceptable to business. The fact he can do it and has been doing it for X many years isnt part of this. It doesnt matter if he will never produce a unique programming application either, that is a side issue.

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Quote from: M3ta7h3adIf hes unable to come up with anything you have to start to wonder is it really what he should be spending his time doing.

Maybe youre right. Ive been developing software since before you were born and Im probably bored of it now.

You miss my point.

Should you really be persuing a degree this late on in your life if you are unable to think of new concepts to come up with.

Yes, it proves what hes capable of in a way that is acceptable to business. The fact he can do it and has been doing it for X many years isnt part of this. It doesnt matter if he will never produce a unique programming application either, that is a side issue.

No... experience proves that. University just gives people a foothold.

As for uniqueness its the primary point of this thread. He doesnt want to do something that has been done before.

Sam: your uni is crap if all it does is teach code monkeys, the reason the guy got top marks for that legal case system wasnt the implementation (which actually was more involved than it sounds) but for the analysis and documentation. Consideration of ethics, data protection act, information assurance, analysis of client requirements and development of the necessary use cases, non-functional requirements, and initial specification.

If you want a piece of crap which just involves knocking a website up... sure go right ahead. Not everything in your project is related to code, you will in fact be lucky to come out with a 3rd here if you dont give some consideration to the non-implementation side.

Documentation on my course accounted for something like 80% of the mark. 20% being given to implementation.

Sam you moron, why arent you listening to M3ta7h3ad ?


he obviously knows more about your course than you do !

Quote from: knightySam you moron, why arent you listening to M3ta7h3ad ?


he obviously knows more about your course than you do !

Because M3ta7h3ad is acting a moron again? That he doesnt understand the fact that in many big companies you cant get anywhere, no matter what experience you have, without the qualifications to back it up with?

Not difficult considering he doesnt even know what topic he wants to bloody do.

Knighty: Its clear to me that sam has turned it into a cockfight between his uni and mine.

Who gives a flying f**k at the end of the day, im simply saying that a simple website suggestion with minimal scope for future work, will not get you very far.

Unless the average tekforums member is a retard, I cannot be the only one who sees that.

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Quote from: knightySam you moron, why arent you listening to M3ta7h3ad ?


he obviously knows more about your course than you do !

Because M3ta7h3ad s acting a moron again? That he doesnt understand the fact that in many big companies you cant get anywhere, no matter what experience you have, without the qualifications to back it up with?

A computer science degree is a computer science degree, it gives you a very broad overview of everything. Of course Ambulance doctor/driver/person who stood by the side while the real people actually did the work, would know exactly what its like in the world of industry.

You do not need a degree in anything to be top of your field, nor recognised in your field. This is shown purely by looking at the entry criteria to professional bodies, hmmm are there any of those for ex-ambulance groupies? I dont know... but perhaps you should check that out

If you have experience in IT in a specific area, and you require that knowledge for a job it will get you further than a degree will. You dont require it at all. Its useful, but after 10 years in employment its very rare that you will actually get asked about your previous qualifications unless they are industry specific I.E. Prince2 or ITIL... Sam has suggested he was developing prior to me being born, would have thought 23 years of development would be enough experience for any job.

Quote from: M3ta7h3adKnighty: Its clear to me that sam has turned it into a cockfight between his uni and mine.

he has ?

well then it must be me thats the moron, I totaly missed that !

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Quote from: M3ta7h3adKnighty: Its clear to me that sam has turned it into a cockfight between his uni and mine.

he has ?

well then it must be me thats the moron, I totaly missed that !

Its okay, saves me making the giant neon sign. Posting it would have been a right bitch.

Quote from: M3ta7h3adYou do not need a degree in anything to be top of your field, nor recognised in your field. This is shown purely by looking at the entry criteria to professional bodies, hmmm are there any of those for ex-ambulance groupies? I dont know... but perhaps you should check that out

Um, as far as I know at uni and in academic circles, you do. Ok, techincally there are those students that somehow manage to make a breakthrough whilst studying as an undergrad and technically might be published in an academic peer reviewed journal before they have any qualifications. They *might* then get snapped up by some research group before they finish their degree and go places without a qualification.

But Id imagine the numbers of such people are so small its insignificant. Seems most academic and research jobs are closed to applicants without the relevant quals AND experience. The only times they might sod the quals is if youre one of the very few who are somehow famous for being a child prodigy in your field...

you can develop my idea sam & we go 50/50 ??

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Quote from: M3ta7h3adYou do not need a degree in anything to be top of your field, nor recognised in your field. This is shown purely by looking at the entry criteria to professional bodies, hmmm are there any of those for ex-ambulance groupies? I dont know... but perhaps you should check that out

Um, as far as I know at uni and in academic circles, you do. Ok, techincally there are those students that somehow manage to make a breakthrough whilst studying as an undergrad and technically might be published in an academic peer reviewed journal before they have any qualifications. They *might* then get snapped up by some research group before they finish their degree and go places without a qualification.

But Id imagine the numbers of such people are so small its insignificant. Seems most academic and research jobs are closed to applicants without the relevant quals AND experience. The only times they might sod the quals is if youre one of the very few who are somehow famous for being a child prodigy in your field...

Or you are one of the many millions who choose not to follow an academic route.

Quote from: Eggtasticoyou can develop my idea sam & we go 50/50 ??

Ok pm me