Sorry to but in, ordering near the same but AMD based at the start of January:

Asus Crosshair SLi nForce 590 PCI-E (Socket AM2) DDR2 Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6400+ Black Edition 3.2GHz (Socket AM2) - Retail
Antec P182 Performance One Super Midi Tower Black   
Corsair Twin2X 2GB DDR2 (2x1024MB) XMS2 6400C4

Anybody know much about the "Black Edition" CPUs?

Quote from: Poison_UKAnybody know much about the "Black Edition" CPUs?

yeah, dont bother.  spend a few quid extra if you are set on AMD and get a Phenom.

edit : and wait until the 9700 comes out, which should be next month.  

Was there not a link on this forum about the Phenom processors having a bug that needs a work around, which causes around 18% performance drop or so.

The fixed processors will not be around till Feb/March next year from what I understand. To me that means waiting even longer.

People will be forever waiting.

Im not in a rush to spend the money so I may just wait to ensure I get an A Class Rig

afaik black edition amd chips dont contain HSFs (even the retail ones), so remember to budget for one of those.

sadly the phenom does look quite poor at the moment, particularly with the new intels due in q1.

Ive reluctantly moved away from AMD now, for the first time since 2001. If only AMD hadnt prematurely killed off socket 939, theyd be in a much better position now.

Quote from: AdrockWas there not a link on this forum about the Phenom processors having a bug that needs a work around, which causes around 18% performance drop or so.

The fixed processors will not be around till Feb/March next year from what I understand. To me that means waiting even longer.

People will be forever waiting.

there are threads and articles eleswhere on the net.  The Phenom CPUs are performing 15-20% slower than expected.  AMD have delayed a lot of the chips, and admitted there is an issue with the Phenom 9700.  Im assuming the higher-end CPUs are suffering the same problem.  At least they are admitting it, rather than covering it up and letting them get out in the wild.

the problem with the phenom comes in at frequencies > 2.4ghz

there are also rumoured to be problems with intels new chips too, causing them to be delayed a couple of months

looks like neither of them can get the quality control staff these days.

Modern CPUs are incredibly complex and internally interdependent, change one thing and you can mess something else up. Then again the only way is up and the rate of innovation in processors isnt dropping. Every one and a half years the average CPU sold doubles in power, without any increase in price. This means that they have to increase the amount of work they do at the same rate. There should be little wonder that CPUs end up with faults in them.

So it isnt that they cant get the quality control staff, those staff have to do many times the workload that they had to do in the past.

and you found this on google where or is this fiction?

Quote from: redand you found this on google where or is this fiction?

Actually the C2D is suffering from similar flaws by the look of things.  Im just hunting down the links.  At least AMD are taking the "Right" course by not releasing, rather than putting out faulty chips into the wild.  

I think he was more talking about the rubbish serious spouted about new cpus being more complex and being harder to test.

But yes, I also read the newer C2Ds are having similar problems. Intel will not say whether or not its true though.

Cheers for the input about these new chips. Im tempted to just go for a Black Edition! But going to wait till January and see if Prices go down slightly or if I can get a good deal on a higher spec mobo

Quote from: AdrockI think he was more talking about the rubbish serious spouted about new cpus being more complex and being harder to test.

But yes, I also read the newer C2Ds are having similar problems. Intel will not say whether or not its true though.

Im not sure what to think to be honest.  They wont deny the problem, so to me that would suggest that the issue is there, and the PR folks arent willing to go out on a limb.  

Quote from: redand you found this on google where or is this fiction?

Do you have to really try to be a moron or is it easy for you?

Another interesting note ive found.  The next gen Intel CPUs wont be supported on _any_ of the present motherboards or chipsets.  So "Going with C2D for futureproofing" doesnt really stack up when the Intel Board you buy today wont be compatible with the next lot of CPUs.