You just have macabre tastes zpyder, it doesnt make you a goth unless as you say you get into all the conformist non-conformity of going around in black, big boots and all the other garb. If people want to assign themselves to some label fair enough though.

So to be one of these stereotypes you have to look the part too? Id imagine there are a lot of people out there that are way more gothy than a "goth" that wears all black and smeared makeup etc? I dunno. Usually what happens is a friend is in the car with me and they listen to my music. After talking a little they comment on it all and the easiest thing to say is "plain-clothes-goth" heh. They agree with that, and I dont think theres a problem as Im not walking down the highstreet in big black boots with a leather coat on and other things....

 
Im as comfortable in a goth nightclub as at a Gatecrasher dance event as at a Motorhead or Madonna gig.  I socialise with all types and dont sterotype people like some ignorant folk around these parts...

Quote from: EagleIm as comfortable in a goth nightclub as at a Gatecrasher dance event as at a Motorhead or Madonna gig.  I socialise with all types and dont sterotype people like some ignorant folk around these parts...

Agreed, had some great nights recently in what would be classed as "trendy" clubs and not the sort of places I frequent at all, but on the topic of subcultures always thought it was more about the music than anything else. I.E what defines a "goth" or "emo", its the music. The fashion, attitude, whatever you like follow on after that? But then I suppose there are plenty who like to "dress" goth who havent ever heard of Bauhaus or Siouxsie & the Banshees.

At the end of the day do what you like, listen to what you like, dress how you want as long as you arent hurting anyone I suppose.

I dont think its always ignorance, it could also be observance. Saying someone is a goth is not necessarily a negative thing. Similarily classifying someone as a stereotype is not being ignorant if they fit the criteria. Same as other things such as science, behavioural traits are classified into groups, it just depends on how each individual wants to interpret those groupings as being a positive, negative, or neutral attribute.

Quote from: EagleIm as comfortable in a goth nightclub as at a Gatecrasher dance event as at a Motorhead or Madonna gig.  I socialise with all types and dont sterotype people like some ignorant folk around these parts...

Much the same


Maybe not a Madonna gig tho  

Quote from: EagleIm as comfortable in a goth nightclub as at a Gatecrasher dance event as at a Motorhead or Madonna gig.  I socialise with all types and dont sterotype people like some ignorant folk around these parts...

but if you walked into a gay bar by mistake would you feel a prick?

Emo such a hilarious topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI

Tis a long watch, but funny, and explains a little about emo.

I remember being called a goffic by chavs (then called townies) because I wore a Manic Street Preachers t-shirt and combats. Trends come and go, labels change and evolve.

Quote from: zpyderI dont think its always ignorance, it could also be observance. Saying someone is a goth is not necessarily a negative thing. Similarily classifying someone as a stereotype is not being ignorant if they fit the criteria. Same as other things such as science, behavioural traits are classified into groups, it just depends on how each individual wants to interpret those groupings as being a positive, negative, or neutral attribute.

I think the problem is "goth" is (or used to, I must admit I havent heard it used in an abusive way for a few years now) bandied around as a generic insult for anyone who doesnt dress whatever the one shouting the abuse considers to be "normal". Thats obviously where the negativity comes from.

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Quote from: EagleIm as comfortable in a goth nightclub as at a Gatecrasher dance event as at a Motorhead or Madonna gig.  I socialise with all types and dont sterotype people like some ignorant folk around these parts...

but if you walked into a gay bar by mistake would you feel a prick?

Depends if any of the guys like you

But seriously, no Im similar to Eagle here, I can go to rock clubs and also trendy clubs and probably many more, some times in the same night and I see it as the people youre with that make the evening not the crowd around you.

I used to go to tons of rock clubs ,even being part of a group that organised a weekly rock event when I was at uni.

I will happily go to most types of clubs, rock/trance blah blah.

Oddly enough the clubs I now feel most uncomfortable in are rock clubs, despite spending most of the past 5 years in them. Probably because I was king of the castle in them.

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Quote from: EagleIm as comfortable in a goth nightclub as at a Gatecrasher dance event as at a Motorhead or Madonna gig.  I socialise with all types and dont sterotype people like some ignorant folk around these parts...

but if you walked into a gay bar by mistake would you feel a prick?

I wouldnt walk into one by mistake.

Ive (deliberately) been to a few really good ones over time as it happens but I dont feel sexually threatened by them as you obviously would.

what makes you think Id be scared of a bunch of gays?

Quote from: Chris HIts worth bearing in mind that "Wicca" probably isnt what you think it is, (its by no way an ancient or historic religion). It was pretty much founded in the 50s by Gerald Gardner and the practices and "rituals" are very much of the 20th century. It came around at the right time and has seen a real boom in the past few decades due to the prevalence of neo-feminism.

Problem is there are several groups operating under the guise of Wica/Wicce/Wicca and several other like spellings. The origin in all cases of the word is wise one and related to a herbalist or a local witch doctor.

The resultant mess comes as much from Raymond Buckland as anyone. He learned from Gardener but their ways parted. TBH in both cases its a mash up of a great number of traditions and you cant sort it all out. Some of it is most definitely Norse, and not Saxon.

Quote from: Davewhat makes you think Id be scared of a bunch of gays?

Dont forget Dave was in the TA, AFAIK still is. They arent known as the Bum Bangers for nothing

somewhat off topic, but I just realised Zpyder is back welcome back mate!!

I have nothing further to add to this conversation except to laugh at Serious earlier comment.