Id use it on something like a lappie for sure, Im just not a fanboi of one size solutions.

Is there a gui front end for ports these days?

Quote from: BXGTi16Vmrt, let me catch you right there and ask that you try Free-BSD instead of Linux!

Quote from: maximusotterIts sort of like a former Swede friend of my moms who is now naturalized and a huge Bush supporter--when asked for advice on what new car to buy, he said that the only real safe choice is a Toyota 4Runner. Just because he wanted one. Right, real practical choice for a city dweller. And not all that safe either, compared to a proper passenger car with side air curtains. The perception of safety isnt going to help in a crash.

Agreeing with max here: If youre going to do that every time a Linux thread like this comes up, at least suggest something easy to use and fairly noobie friendly, like PC-BSD or Freesbie.

FreeBSD is easy to use - it installs right first time (Unlike 90% of linux distros that require hours of tweaking to get a decent res or some sound out of your speakers) FreeBSD is primarily the desktop version of BSD.

Better hardware support out of the box, more secure, and you can easily roll back updates..

This is the first major point - the second being it will also run nearly all linux software as well, so you have best of both worlds.

Quote from: BXGTi16VFreeBSD is easy to use - it installs right first time (Unlike 90% of linux distros that require hours of tweaking to get a decent res or some sound out of your speakers) FreeBSD is primarily the desktop version of BSD.

Better hardware support out of the box, more secure, and you can easily roll back updates..

This is the first major point - the second being it will also run nearly all linux software as well, so you have best of both worlds.

I dont mean to piss on your parade here but id like to address a few issues.

Firstly, out of the box linux distros will now nativly support wiress cards using the NdisWrapper. Unbuntu, Fedora etc.. will have no problem in setting it up without any user interaction.

Secondly, again with out of the box linux X setup is as easy as clicking go and letting it configure everything, basically for the common user your argurments are invalid.

Im typing this on my pc, while my wireless ubuntu laptop sits next to me playing a dvd with perfect audio in full resolution.

Now if you want to get pissy and say things like "ooh gentoo and debian require you f**k about in the config files" then feel free, but remember, there are many MANY linux vairents all intened for different demographics.
Gentoo et al are for the more technically minded who want to step through every part of the install them selves, right down to compiling every piece of software and loading every driver module into the kernel (which you configure manually too) yourself. Where as Ubuntu et al are designed for users who want to just install it and go infact, id say that it was alot harder to install windows than it is to install ubuntu.

now FreeBSD is a good OS, as is linux. But i cant help but get the feeling that youre making linux out to be harder than it really is because you had a few bad experiances yourself and went over to BSD.

Like maximusotter said, if you want to sing the praises of BSD then make your own thread about it.

/rant

Quote from: BXGTi16VFreeBSD is easy to use - it installs right first time (Unlike 90% of linux distros that require hours of tweaking to get a decent res or some sound out of your speakers)

Blantant lie.

Quote from: BXGTi16VFreeBSD is primarily the desktop version of BSD.

Better hardware support out of the box,

Nope. Different hardware support. Lie.

Quote from: BXGTi16Vmore secure,

Linux is plenty secure for a Desktop user.

Quote from: BXGTi16Vand you can easily roll back updates..

I have never, ever, even thought about or needed to roll back updates. Perhaps BSD updates tend to break things?

Quote from: BXGTi16VThis is the first major point - the second being it will also run nearly all linux software as well, so you have best of both worlds.

You have again failed to prove anything. They are two different OSs. Big deal. Get some help with your obsession.

Ubuntu, Suse, and the other big boys are good for noobs because of widespread usage, help forums, and other kinds of support. Those things are far more important than the kernel.

Use an OS, dont let con it into letting you worship it and give it blowjobs.

Surely a lie is when I knowingly tell something that isnt true?

I know what I see, and I know that BSD installs more easily on difficult hardware such as laptops. Linux falls over and has a hissy fit. BSD also has much better USB support.

I also know that a lot of linux installers are a PITA designed for nerds, by nerds. The FreeBSD installer looks daunting, but in actuality all you have to do (For the simplest install) is about 6 keystrokes and a few disc swaps.

Update rollback is absolutley essential. If you use a large number of apps or are always keen to test new stuff then you appreciate being able to roll back to a state where a certain version of a certain app will work - linux is a total PITA for this. In a corporate environment (Especially as a server - and I know this from bitter experience) it is absolutely *essential* that you can roll back updates in case something goes wrong.

The last experience I had with the flavour of the month distribution of linux (Seems to change once a week) was with Ubuntu - put the install disc in a laptop, it hung on startup - great beginnings there.

Theyre not quite different either.BSD dictates UNIX, of which linux is a lookalike. So its more like a cousin, except on BSD, you can run the Linux software too.

Although Linux is probably more immediately accessible, as there seems to be more of the internet devoted to it!

Quote from: maximusotterIs there a gui front end for ports these days?

FreeBSD is great for those that want to learn computers; and PC-BSD and DesktopBSD is great for those that just want to use it.

Quote from: BXGTi16VThe FreeBSD installer looks daunting, but in actuality all you have to do (For the simplest install) is about 6 keystrokes and a few disc swaps.

Yes, FreeBSD - once you understand what a slice is - is the fastest and easiest install I know.

Having said that, I still prefer a pure debian on the desktop - FreeBSD is my choice for servers where linux starts to suck.

Quote from: BXGTi16VSurely a lie is when I knowingly tell something that isnt true?

I know what I see, and I know that BSD installs more easily on difficult hardware such as laptops. Linux falls over and has a hissy fit. BSD also has much better USB support.

I also know that a lot of linux installers are a PITA designed for nerds, by nerds. The FreeBSD installer looks daunting, but in actuality all you have to do (For the simplest install) is about 6 keystrokes and a few disc swaps.

Update rollback is absolutley essential. If you use a large number of apps or are always keen to test new stuff then you appreciate being able to roll back to a state where a certain version of a certain app will work - linux is a total PITA for this. In a corporate environment (Especially as a server - and I know this from bitter experience) it is absolutely *essential* that you can roll back updates in case something goes wrong.

The last experience I had with the flavour of the month distribution of linux (Seems to change once a week) was with Ubuntu - put the install disc in a laptop, it hung on startup - great beginnings there.

Theyre not quite different either.BSD dictates UNIX, of which linux is a lookalike. So its more like a cousin, except on BSD, you can run the Linux software too.

i read about half of the first paragraph and dismissed the whole thing because you clearly dont know wtf youre on about.


Please come back when you have actually researched a little

PAH!

Youre all gay - gayer than my gay uncle johnny (who is THE biggest queen in Gtr Manchester).... because youre arguing whats better... Linux or BSD and we all know the real answer is........ Mac OS X!  


 


Anyways, BX - to be honest, the arguments give FOR Linux are spot on, i dont use it anymore, but when i did (when Ubuntu was first released and in the dayz of Fedora Core 2) - it was sensationally easy to setup, use and it was reliable too.... horses for courses though, i suppose.

i vote ubuntu.

im a noob with no experience of linux. i got on with it great. great support in the forums when you break something. it looks good, feels great, an if you break it you can usually fix it without having to run through 32191404859549843298432 lines of command line code.


just my 2p

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Quote from: BXGTi16VSurely a lie is when I knowingly tell something that isnt true?

I know what I see, and I know that BSD installs more easily on difficult hardware such as laptops. Linux falls over and has a hissy fit. BSD also has much better USB support.

I also know that a lot of linux installers are a PITA designed for nerds, by nerds. The FreeBSD installer looks daunting, but in actuality all you have to do (For the simplest install) is about 6 keystrokes and a few disc swaps.

Update rollback is absolutley essential. If you use a large number of apps or are always keen to test new stuff then you appreciate being able to roll back to a state where a certain version of a certain app will work - linux is a total PITA for this. In a corporate environment (Especially as a server - and I know this from bitter experience) it is absolutely *essential* that you can roll back updates in case something goes wrong.

The last experience I had with the flavour of the month distribution of linux (Seems to change once a week) was with Ubuntu - put the install disc in a laptop, it hung on startup - great beginnings there.

Theyre not quite different either.BSD dictates UNIX, of which linux is a lookalike. So its more like a cousin, except on BSD, you can run the Linux software too.

i read about half of the first paragraph and dismissed the whole thing because you clearly dont know wtf youre on about.


Please come back when you have actually researched a little

Sure, I only have 23 years experience of computing, 7 of those in the profession, and being an IT manager and formerly a datacomms engineer working mainly in Solaris/UNIX03 and AS/400 i clearly know nothing about UNIX/UNIX a like OSs !

dont get me wrong - i think linux is great, its a great idea - but BSD is easier to install, thats all im saying.

Quote from: BXGTi16Vdont get me wrong - i think linux is great, its a great idea - but BSD is easier to install, thats all im saying.

Installing it is usually 2% of the problems. A lot of linux distros (free) now are so noob friendly. Suse, Mandriva, Ubuntu (ish) and PClinux OS (probably the best for noobs). All of them are getting there though. The amount of people using linux compared to when i first started (1999) is amazing.