Quote from: NorphyAnd I might point out that Microsoft has actually tried to get a PDF export facility put into Windows and Office but Adobe threw a major hissy fit when they did.

only because Adobe sell Distiller, and if the PDF export facility was added without Adobe getting some money they would seriously lose out.

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Quote from: maximusotterWhenever I exchange a document electronically, I do it via pdf. Mac and Linux both "print" to pdf out of the box. Its rude sending anything else unless its agreed upon. Its a shame MS needs add ons to produce what really is the defactor standard for electronic documents.

PDF is a bloody annoying format.  one of the employment agencies im dealing with only sends stuff out in PDF, and it gets right on my tits.

:shrug: Why? Its a great format. You might want to get a better viewer than Adobes which is a bit clunky, but for things you dont edit, its the clear winner.

Complaining about pdf strikes me as absurd as bitching about the forms being in English.

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Quote from: maximusotterWhenever I exchange a document electronically, I do it via pdf. Mac and Linux both "print" to pdf out of the box. Its rude sending anything else unless its agreed upon. Its a shame MS needs add ons to produce what really is the defactor standard for electronic documents.

PDF is a bloody annoying format.  one of the employment agencies im dealing with only sends stuff out in PDF, and it gets right on my tits.

:shrug: Why? Its a great format. You might want to get a better viewer than Adobes which is a bit clunky, but for things you dont edit, its the clear winner.

Complaining about pdf strikes me as absurd as bitching about the forms being in English.

oh im fine with viewing them, its just they host them, and if im not on my own PC (i.e at work) they open up in the browser window.  Considering the fact where im working now has weird rights management on the AD it means im usually waiting 5-10 minutes for the frickin document to open.  I dont even mind HTML e-mails, in fact i send them myself often enough, but i loath the fact i usually have to open about a 7Mb file in my browser when ive only got 10Mb of profile space.

It is about time that adobe actually made a browser plugin that doesnt just halt the browser till it has the whole file.

You accidently click on a 50MB pdf and you are left with the choice of waiting for a long time for it to finally load or canning the browser.

The format is great, the software they expect to use with it isnt.

The worst problem i have come across is with acrobat and acrobat reader. They have absolutely crap printing options, which for a document viewer is appalling.

Quote from: SweensterIt is about time that adobe actually made a browser plugin that doesnt just halt the browser till it has the whole file.

Why use the plugin to begin with? Thats just over-integration. I have them automatically download into /tmp and open with Evince (nix) or Foxit (xp). That way if you get tired of waiting, you can just cancel the download.

Moved to Software and Web Development, some idiot doesnt know what the different forums are for...







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Quote from: Beakeronly because Adobe sell Distiller, and if the PDF export facility was added without Adobe getting some money they would seriously lose out.

According to Adobe, the PDF format is supposed to be open. Do you think that the myriad of free PDF readers and writers out there pay Adobe a license fee for it? Do you think the various Linux devs pay? Does OpenOffice? Does Apple?

Then wtf should Microsoft?

yeah dislike them though I do I have to side with M$ on the PDF issue, they should be allowed to add it to Windows. Still there are plenty of freebe PDF "printer" software thingys out there.

Quote from: NorphyThen wtf should Microsoft?

Because they always try to screw it up? Look at what they did to their version of Java.

As to open, that means open, freely available, source code, not that people are allowed to screw around with it or install it in their own proggies. Adobie may allow others to do so but thats their choice.

for another way to look at it even if someone goes out to clubs and has sex with every girl available why should they have to have it with the most minging girl in the world?

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Quote from: Beakeronly because Adobe sell Distiller, and if the PDF export facility was added without Adobe getting some money they would seriously lose out.

According to Adobe, the PDF format is supposed to be open. Do you think that the myriad of free PDF readers and writers out there pay Adobe a license fee for it? Do you think the various Linux devs pay? Does OpenOffice? Does Apple?

Then wtf should Microsoft?

Because most (if not all) of the PDF readers and the like are free.  Office isnt.  If they allowed MS to bundle PDF writing into Office Adobe wouldnt see a penny.  Adobes sole problem with MS adding the functionality IIRC was that Adobe want a slice of the action, and MS dont want to give it them.  The actual licence runs along the lines of Free To Use for non-commercial applications, or with prior agreement.  

http://docs.google.com

Good enough for most document writing I need to do - built in spell checking & automagically saves, has revisions so you can go back in time too if necessary.

Handles spreadsheets & documents, you can upload .doc / .xls etc and I generally print to .PDF like Max, if I need to

except it handles them poorly.

Very very poorly. Its just writely.com bought by google.