didnt even read my first post correctly  


ive not got a pci express capable mobo so that rulled that particular card out otherwise i would have considered it in a heartbeat.

Lolers sorry, ive been miles away in a different time far far away recently.

Avermedia have told me that its not possible to have a dual tuner card for digital on a PCI slot due to bandwidth and the architecture, so its definatly a 2 card situation on this one

ok fair enough, just need to build the other rig now