http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/

Watching the apple keynote speach you can not argue that this is not a good Operating, some realy cool features and I am impressed with its progression, fancy looking things are there but also a load of functional aspects

Did notice though while Vista copied loads of what OSX is Apple have taken some of the good aspects of vista in their latest version

yea.. i watched this when you posted it in the other thread

looks really great, ive only used Mac OSX, and this is so advanced... the thing i love about Macs is the design that goes into it

apple try to develop operating systems that have features never even thought of be4, and when they do take a feature that has been used before they just revamp it and make it look original

when i get a fulltime job ill be buying a mac

I love the simplicity of it all, it really seems child proof, Id love a macbook, just for those lazy moments when I want to check my mail and my favourite websites and I want everything to just work without fuss.

however, I will always love my windows PC for its hackability and games, although nice move by apple getting game developers onboard, thats important.

Very sweet, had forgotten it was the Keynote...  They need to get OS-X totally hardware independent with virtualisation so it can be more easily put on PC hardware and run traditionally windows apps.  Its only a matter of time now.



As much as I love mac toys and I simply adore OSX for day to day stuff I had to stop buying them.

Laptops: 2 dead.  They really dont stand up to much of a kicking.  Ive had a white macbook and a powerbook and both have failed in the same way.  The casings are made incredibly light (which is a good thing) but they simply arent rigid enough for a heavy user.  On both laptops the motherboard got flexed inside the casing and the solder joints broke.  Buying a replacement motherboard from apple is pretty much the same price as a brand new laptop.

Screens: I use a 23" aluminium widescreen LCD on my Mac mini and the exact same screen from Dell works perfectly as a high def screen.  Apple stuck a proprietry connector on their version and actually removed the control circuitry for the analogue part of the connection so you cannot.

Mac Mini: got 2 of these.  The intel core processor one still has a bitch of a time running running some programs since apple kind of sprung the core change on developers and lots still havent caught up.

20" iMac:  This ones my parents - the wireless ability on this machine could be described as tempramental at best


I still use them all daily but I find myself using a Dell XPS laptop all the time and a Core2 duo shuttle for 99% of actual work again.

Ive still yet to walk into an office that isnt running XP unless its Visual/Deisgn work.

Again, I love apple products, they have imagination and some spark to them.  But I couldnt use it day to day.

Quote from: CypherIve still yet to walk into an office that isnt running XP unless its Visual/Deisgn work.

Again, I love apple products, they have imagination and some spark to them.  But I couldnt use it day to day.

one of the main reasons companies wont use apple macs is from a development point of view... not because they are crap to develop on (far from it obviously) but bespoke software is 99% windows compatible and i doubt a company would pay all that money for them to develop their software on Mac OSX

also, the other major factor is the price of macs... we all know weve looked at buying a mac and thought *jeez... ill just buy this windows xp pc instead with a faster processor*

top end macs are like £1600 (why, i dont know - if someone could enlighten me?)

but i think apple are trying to move more mainstream, with those new adverts... well not so new anymore, and the development of leopard... going 64 bit... i wouldnt mind a mac myself after seeing that keynote and before i was 50/50 on their importance as a tool, because i dont care how many games are going to be developed for Macs, they arent going to be your go-to machine for gaming

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Quote from: CypherIve still yet to walk into an office that isnt running XP unless its Visual/Deisgn work.

Again, I love apple products, they have imagination and some spark to them.  But I couldnt use it day to day.

one of the main reasons companies wont use apple macs is from a development point of view... not because they are crap to develop on (far from it obviously) but bespoke software is 99% windows compatible and i doubt a company would pay all that money for them to develop their software on Mac OSX

also, the other major factor is the price of macs... we all know weve looked at buying a mac and thought *jeez... ill just buy this windows xp pc instead with a faster processor*

top end macs are like £1600 (why, i dont know - if someone could enlighten me?)

but i think apple are trying to move more mainstream, with those new adverts... well not so new anymore, and the development of leopard... going 64 bit... i wouldnt mind a mac myself after seeing that keynote and before i was 50/50 on their importance as a tool, because i dont care how many games are going to be developed for Macs, they arent going to be your go-to machine for gaming

You got it a bit wrong..

The majoirty of a compnies systems will be pc, The general office elements, say take a game development marketing etc will be pc and most seem to be dell at that..
Then you have Your macs for graphic world etc, all but coding which is a mixture. This is the same for webdevelopment and software.
A buinsess that uses machines you do indeed need windows in that sort of environment.

Your right cypher it is great for use when your out and about - want to cut a video, flash, image it is perfect and as a graphics development system etc it is very cool but You could not really use it every day, odd that the interface is nice and easy to use, better then windows but then to fiddle and do bits every day it is not - odd really.

Vista is the right step in terms of visual use and cool things missing but still lacking and the new mac osx is very nice again with very good features but not that every day use aspect.

On a slide, SteveF may agree with me, I do not know why they do some things like they do.
As with things like windows blinds etc people like to custermize there interface if they wish too.
World of Warcraft has one of the nicest approaches for me to do this using LUA which is lightweight and can be robust enought to change the interface but keep the core in tact.
They should apply it to an operating system but not as insane as linux(as in change the core) So people like that of tekforums can change their menu etc and with the widgets or what ever ms call their versions you can do some really cool things with the looks and create packages that you can share etc.

I think the Mac OS X Leopard is brilliant. The most original idea I seen is the Time Machine. Yeh, its like Windows System Restore but it is done totally different. You dont have to restart the computer to completely restore what you lost. Just go to the folder or where the file was located before and scroll back in time to find and then restore it. Fantastic feature.

I intend to get an iMac soon with OS X Leopard built in when available.

Oh, did any of you know that Safari is now available on PCs? I got it and I think its the best and most simple browser I came across.

Quote from: BatchI think the Mac OS X Leopard is brilliant. The most original idea I seen is the Time Machine. Yeh, its like Windows System Restore but it is done totally different. You dont have to restart the computer to completely restore what you lost. Just go to the folder or where the file was located before and scroll back in time to find and then restore it. Fantastic feature.

I intend to get an iMac soon with OS X Leopard built in when available.

Oh, did any of you know that Safari is now available on PCs? I got it and I think its the best and most simple browser I came across.

Read the other threads on Safari, big pile of crap, uses double the memory then the other browsers - 10 seconds it has just under the same memory use as firefox after its been running all day with lots of tabs open.
It has no features, does not work on 64bit windows machines and you have very little configuration control.
Nice looking in places and fast but that speed comes at a price

Agreed Batch, time machine is possibly the best feature that has been introduced to any OS in recent years.  Spotlight was pretty impressive a year or two ago but I cant think of many other features on any platform that come close.  Windows update and equivalents on the other OSs are probably the last thing to be close ...

Quote from: neXusSafari, big pile of crap, uses double the memory then the other browsers

It uses twice the memory but is almost twice as fast on windows.  That sounds like a fair trade to me.  In fact I would gladly put twice the system RAM in my computers and have them all run twice as fast.  Safaris not amazing its true but the RAM/speed tradeoff is a good thing imo.  Software should use as many system resources as they can to run as fast as possible.  Every browser will rip off Safaris private browsing and the new way of handling tabs in the next couple of months - theyre that good.

Ill keep using firefox variants on all platforms but the new Safari features need to be included asap.

When will touch screen be the norm you think? Because we have seen recently the actual software applicaton for touch screen from the iphone to ted presentations to photosythn and like etc being really there now and you can make an effect and working interface with no mouse or keyboard, the only real use for them would be gaming because you still need that movement they provide really for things like fps, cant see that being touch screen playable at all.
But you can certanly do a way with the norm elements of an OS now in many areas.

every touch screen application Ive ever seen from games, to ticket machines in train stations, to PDAs have developed dead spots and worn out/broken in some way.

As lovely as the idea of touch screens are theres something counter intuitive between putting grubby/greasy fingers on plastic and glass you want to be able to look through.  The iPhone will sell like hotcakes and everyone will follow suit so its fairly academic but Im expecting it to be in the bottom of my drawer in a couple of years because I cant click on the corners of the screen anymore.

Well know in a couple of months if heavy use Nintendo DSs start to fail.

Cant not agree with you with the memory to speed ratio becuase that would make sense steve but for the amout of memory and the fact it has quite a lot less features in firfox and ie then its not worth it.
Firefox like other things has the addon element that just sends it into a new level and number 3 will have digital signing of addons so they wont leak memory etc, looking forward to that one becuase I think it will be a lot better by a mile then the others if the developer blog is anything to go by.

Still OSX leopard and the fact that bootcamp has got a lot better and duel boot promises very good hardware support I am defiantly getting a mac book pro at end of year when brother gets one in a deal.

Uninstalled Safari after 3 days. It crashed quite regularly on both my XP Pro machines and whilst I admit it was fast the little niggles I had with it were too much and I reverted to my usual.