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  • Offline FuMaN

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LED TV or a HD Projector
on: August 15, 2009, 19:46:20 PM
Im about to move out soon and Im looking to purchase something larger for my living room. Im contemplating either a 46" Samsung LED TV which is around £1400 or one of these  http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/5376481/Optoma-HD700x-1300-ANSI-720P-DLP-Projector/Product.html

The HD projector is far cheaper but I think its probably less practical. The LED is probably a bit out of my price range really and I may have to opt for a LCD if I was to choose a TV.

  • Offline Sam

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Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 22:11:03 PM
Projectors are old school. Get a nice huge LCD job done.

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Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 22:24:46 PM
I have a Sony BRAVIA Z Series KDL52Z4500 52-Inch 1080p 200Hz LCD HDTV  amazing picture with no issues or tissues!

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Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 23:04:55 PM
Get a Plasma, afaik, at those screen sizes its still not beaten when it comes to fast motion like football.

Pioneer plasmas are wonderful.

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Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 23:33:38 PM
I thought Pioneer had pulled their Plasma range? i.e. what ever is available is what ever is left in the market.


Dont get me wrong theyre jaw dropping - I have a 50inch Pioneer Kuro and can recommend one in a heartbeat.


If you are going to go down the LED route go for a local dimming one over a side lit.

If you can afford it go for a tri colour local dimming, thats Kuro beating performance tbh.



I wont be ugrading until OLED is mainstream probably.

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Reply #5 on: August 15, 2009, 23:43:53 PM
Whilst it may only be 720p, itll piss over the Samsung tbh:

http://www.krishav.co.uk/store/prodView.asp?idProduct=1280&idCategory=496

1398.

Quite depressing considering what I paid for mine!

We watch HD everything.

And on that note - Tron Legacy trailer + 2012 trailer in HD are pretty jaw dropping.

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Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 23:53:38 PM
Id always opt for a LCD over a Plasma personally.

Whats wrong with a projector? Even a HD projector?


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Reply #7 on: August 16, 2009, 00:44:28 AM
I was originally going to buy a Samsung F96 LED local dimming set.

Comes down to how you want to use it. If you want to use it as  PC quite a bit then the LCD is the better option. If you want to watch a lot of movies then compared side to side the plasma just dominates.


Projectors (especially HD ones) are great for throwing a large screen, but you need to consider how much ambient light will be coming into the room + setting up the screen etc.


I considered going down the projector route and didnt in the end because... I couldnt be arsed with all the extra ball ache!


Which ever way you go, if youre spending 1k + dont just base it on written reviews and buy online. Go down to a store, make out as if youre interested and demo stuff side by side.



+ Dont forget about audio! :) Onkyo HD surround amp + Kef or B&W.

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Reply #8 on: August 16, 2009, 02:29:02 AM
Ive got a large LCD screen, dont watch sports but do watch films. It is entirely adequate, even when the action speeds up.

LED TV or a HD Projector
Reply #9 on: August 16, 2009, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: FuMaN
Id always opt for a LCD over a Plasma personally.

Whats wrong with a projector? Even a HD projector?



Why?

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Reply #10 on: August 16, 2009, 08:37:24 AM
I got both a projector & a large Plasma.
Since getting the Plasma, I havent switched the Projector on.
You have to consider the Projector has no Sound, so you will need a sound system
& then theres the bulb life, the hassle of a screen, etc. Some things dont look good on a huge screen!

I got a 50" Panasonic


Thats it about 5mins after unboxing it!

I paid £1300 & it came with a 5year panasonic warranty, not some 3rd party one.
Then paid £200 for the proper stand, instead of that 2" thing!

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Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 09:44:01 AM
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Quote from: FuMaN
Id always opt for a LCD over a Plasma personally.

Whats wrong with a projector? Even a HD projector?



Why?


Most new LCDs have the LED backlighting for example - Sooo nice. The new Samsungs are not only insanely thin, they are really good.

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Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 10:00:33 AM
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Ive got a large LCD screen, dont watch sports but do watch films. It is entirely adequate, even when the action speeds up.


Thats because you dont know what youre missing ;-)


Whilst the speed is important its more about the black levels, definition in the darker areas and more realistic colours.


Its all good and well saying a set has 20m:1 contrast, but to properly calibrate the set youd have to turn all that crap down anyways, it just looks too bright.



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Reply #13 on: August 16, 2009, 10:36:35 AM
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Quote from: Eggtastico
Quote from: FuMaN
Id always opt for a LCD over a Plasma personally.

Whats wrong with a projector? Even a HD projector?



Why?


Most new LCDs have the LED backlighting for example - Sooo nice. The new Samsungs are not only insanely thin, they are really good.


Dont get sucked into the marketing speak which Samsung puts out.

Theres three types of LED backlighting:

Side lit LED
Local dimming LED
RGB local dimming LED

Side lit is when the outer frame of the set has LEDs pointing inwards, then they use diffusers to carefully spread the light around the set evenly. The main benefits of doing this are:

1) Much thinner sets
2) Super high contrast
3) Lower power consumption

All the current so called Samsung LED TVs are using side lit LED backlighting - that includes the 6000, 7000 & 8000 series LED TVs.

The main problem with these sets though is the same as every other CCFL backlit (i.e. classic) LCD on the market. The set has to use the LCD panel to block the light coming from behind when it needs to show something dark. Its pretty much impossible to stop all the light due to leakage between the dots on the LCD. This is why you end up with greys instead of blacks and much lower definition within darker scenes. Also the super high contrast might sound great on paper, but real life just isnt that bright and saturated. If you look on the likes of AVForums or AVSForum for an owners thread detailing how to properly calibrate an LCD for TV, movie and games viewing, the first thing they all mention is TURN DOWN THE CONTRAST.

Heres a detailed review of the current side lit Samsung LED TVs : Samsung UE40B7020

The yet to be released Samsung 8500/9000 series LED TV will use locally dimming LED backlighting, which is where the fun really starts.

It uses an array of white LEDs, which it can dim or switch off to show true blacks.



Problem is the LEDs are obviously much bigger than the pixels, so you dont get exact line definition between the dimming/switched off areas and the content.

I was all set to buy a Samsung 52" F96 local dimming LED TV, until I encountered this problem when demoing the set. The blacks are quite franlkly amazing BUT, with more detailed sequences where the gap between black and light is much smaller it tends to fall over. The Pioneer just walked all over it.

In hindsight Im not surprised, after all it was the first commercially available local dimming LED TV.

The tech has moved on now with larger arrays using smaller LEDs + other techniques. One of which is :



RGB (or tri colour) local dimming LED backlighting


Instead of using white LEDs the set uses clusters of red green and blue to control the dimming more accurately. To say they separate themselves is an understatement. First time I saw one in person I had to blink.

Currently only Sony use this technology, in their Bravia X4500 range. (Although Samsung may do with the 9000 series).


That all aside a Samsung 9000 series or Sony X4500 series 46" will probably set you back 2500 pounds!


And once you weigh up ALL the factors, I still think the Pioneer PDP-LX5090 (their last one), will beat them. Its pretty much seen as reference level.

With the likes of the Kuro PDP-508XD being around the 1300-1400 mark now, its an insane deal for a set which isnt that many steps down the from the 5090 latest version.




As Eggtastico has mentioned Panasonic are awesome as well. Their new NeoPDP are great + you can get a 5 year warranty quite easily from Panasonic. Ive got one in my bedroom.



All in all LED TVs are cool + great... as long as theyve got the right bits in the back. If not theyre not much different to CCFL backlit screens.

LED TV or a HD Projector
Reply #14 on: August 16, 2009, 13:27:14 PM
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That all aside a Samsung 9000 series or Sony X4500 series 46" will probably set you back 2500 pounds!

 


The old expensive X series..... FuMaN go for the win.... get a Sony Bravia Z Series 46" 46Z4500 £1,300-£1,400

Samsungs can be problematic stay clear!

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