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Re:Stargate Universe
Reply #30 on: October 07, 2009, 00:59:01 AM
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I mean, the concept of basically having timed missions to get whatever they need whilst moving on is interesting.


i saw it from another pov.... I instantly thought... it;s going to be the same thing every week, week in week out... like sg1 was in the end... same thing every week :(

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Re:Stargate Universe
Reply #31 on: October 07, 2009, 01:14:25 AM
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I mean, the concept of basically having timed missions to get whatever they need whilst moving on is interesting.


i saw it from another pov.... I instantly thought... it;s going to be the same thing every week, week in week out... like sg1 was in the end... same thing every week :(


ALL SCI FI is just about the same thing though isnt it? I hate LOST but I love LOST but it is basically the same thing all the time.
The only thing that was fresh for me was firefly and Babylon 5 but again the latter had episodes which were basically the same thing...

It will either work with tweaks or fail. It is SG so I hope it works.

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Re:Stargate Universe
Reply #32 on: October 07, 2009, 08:56:46 AM
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I mean, the concept of basically having timed missions to get whatever they need whilst moving on is interesting.


i saw it from another pov.... I instantly thought... it;s going to be the same thing every week, week in week out... like sg1 was in the end... same thing every week :(


ALL SCI FI is just about the same thing though isnt it? I hate LOST but I love LOST but it is basically the same thing all the time.
The only thing that was fresh for me was firefly and Babylon 5 but again the latter had episodes which were basically the same thing...

It will either work with tweaks or fail. It is SG so I hope it works.


No, it isnt always the same thing. What an absurd thing to say.

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Reply #33 on: October 07, 2009, 09:39:19 AM
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I mean, the concept of basically having timed missions to get whatever they need whilst moving on is interesting.


i saw it from another pov.... I instantly thought... it;s going to be the same thing every week, week in week out... like sg1 was in the end... same thing every week :(


ALL SCI FI is just about the same thing though isnt it? I hate LOST but I love LOST but it is basically the same thing all the time.
The only thing that was fresh for me was firefly and Babylon 5 but again the latter had episodes which were basically the same thing...

It will either work with tweaks or fail. It is SG so I hope it works.


No, it isnt always the same thing. What an absurd thing to say.


I mean at the route of it. There are only so many plot lines out there and each show does their own version of them all.

- The rag-tag rebel army/fleet struggles valiantly to overthrow the Evil Empire.
- The Good Guys travel through time to stop a historical Bad Guy(s)
- They Go back in time and get their name in history but do not do enough to harm it. People they work with met them when they are young and have kept it all quite till that day they come back.
- Scientists work feverishly to develop a cure for the Supervirus or a weapon to stop the Invincible Bad Guys.
- Bad Guys Capture Good guys, good Guys Escape
- New Alien or person they take in as their own, may have amazing powers and be perfect to help beat the bad guys but leaves or dies/kills themselves bust it just aint right.
- Good guys are standard in some way and survive till rescued or come up with an amazing way to escape it.
- Tech Guy fixes the unfix able
- They Find some cool new technology but it either does not work/to dangerous/gets destroyed/stolen by the enemy and then destroyed (End of show it will work though and WIN!)
- Fall in love with the hot alien
- Some Alien bug, germ, creature infects one of the main cast. The rest find the cure/solution.
- Some Semi popular cast member dies in one season
- Hospital beds!
- Secret Government Agency or Alien cult.
- Uses alien powers or cool thing to defeat the latest Enemy threat but in doing so it breaks and can never be used again.
- People connect their brains directly to computers
- A virtual reality program is activated, and the distinction between reality and the program becomes confused or indistinguishable.
- Someone kids captured and then rescued
- Earth or other planet is threatened by a natural disaster or enemy
- THE CLASSIC BORING EPISODE ABOUT THE PEOPLE JUST DOING BORING THINGS
- Kids
- Shacking up with one of the other main characters eventually or for a one off but due to some mind control or something
- Someone is taken over by something.

There is a few more but basically Every Sci-Fi Series has or would have it it was not canceled (You could class that as another one, lol) has had these episodes. Someone could probably do a big chart of TV Shows and episode numbers that are similar. (I bet a geek or two has, lol)

It is not a bad thing, I LOVE SCI-FI and I think I have given shows a shot and liked some shows people like on here do not like, but they do do the same thing at the end of the day.

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Reply #34 on: October 07, 2009, 09:44:48 AM
When you start looking for similarities though you start to deliberately ruin the illusion.

Admittedly though it was instantly obvious what was going to happen in the pilot when they discovered the hatch that could only be closed from the other side. One other option I found a bit weird that they overlooked though was they could have used one of the Kinos to remotely close the hatch...

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Reply #35 on: October 07, 2009, 11:24:43 AM
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When you start looking for similarities though you start to deliberately ruin the illusion.

I know, I do not sit there and say "The Simpsons Did It" All the time, i am just saying there are the standard plot episodes EVERY sci-fi does. Not a bad thing in all cases but in terms of core plots there is not that much originality. The twists, style and everything else is what can engage you or put you off.
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Admittedly though it was instantly obvious what was going to happen in the pilot when they discovered the hatch that could only be closed from the other side. One other option I found a bit weird that they overlooked though was they could have used one of the Kinos to remotely close the hatch...

I never thought of that. lash the console down and guide it to press down on the button - Problem solved. That is kind of obvious when you you actually think about it. See I do not do that when I watch this stuff :) But your right :)

What is the betting the find at some point...

1. An Ancient in stasis
2. Stargates being built or not quite finished yet.
3. Some amazing new gear on parts of the ship

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Reply #36 on: October 07, 2009, 12:09:24 PM
Admittedly Stargate is something Ive watched but never followed. I know the general "timeline" of major events, but I think Ive only watched a few eps from each series, mostly due to program clashes and the fact my father is usually watching absolute tosh on the TV so I miss the programs. I dont even know if the ancients have actually been encountered in any of the other series.

About the only gear I can think of atm will be the medical bay, which Id imagine will make up for the lack of doctors by being able to do major surgeries etc (regrow limbs?) seeing as with only 1 medic theyre pretty shafted imo.

Spoilers below maybe.

I think the main plotlines will be the conspiracy, they only briefly touched on the fact that the "enemy" knew of the project. Could go one of two ways, either there is no conspiracy and simply the energy usage etc triggered some alarm that brought the enemy to the planet, OR, something along the lines of those Ancient communications devices, just because they have 5, doesnt mean that the enemy has been using one all along to guide the actions of one of the people on board. Could be that Rush is currently under control and at some point theyll figure it out and "Release him" etc.

The filler episodes will focus on getting food and fixing up the ship to a stable condition. Which will no doubt involve going off-world (off-ship?) and making some decisions along the lines of depriving other races/civilisations of their resrouces, the resources being some form of idol for a civilisation, walking into a middle of a war between two sides etc.

Im guessing they wont have the whole "Allies" side of things as if the ship is travelling at FTL and only dropping out for supplies it would be logical that once the away teams return, theyll be out of range of the planet they just came from. Of course this doesnt mean to say that wherever they are there are other races that have FTL travel and can catch up etc. I think itd water down the potential of the show somewhat if they suddenly discover a stargate that has "no range" enabling them to go wherever they want etc. Itd just turn it into a slightly grittier version of Atlantis with the base on a ship rather than Atlantis, rather than making the most of a fresh start.

Main thing I want to know is who attacked the planet. Not really following the series that closely I didnt know whether the ships were Gouald or a new race/class of ships?!

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Reply #37 on: October 07, 2009, 12:18:05 PM
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I think the main plotlines will be the conspiracy, they only briefly touched on the fact that the "enemy" knew of the project. Could go one of two ways, either there is no conspiracy and simply the energy usage etc triggered some alarm that brought the enemy to the planet, OR, something along the lines of those Ancient communications devices, just because they have 5, doesnt mean that the enemy has been using one all along to guide the actions of one of the people on board. Could be that Rush is currently under control and at some point theyll figure it out and "Release him" etc.

Lucian (spelling?) Alliance was the Enemy they thought were attacking and probably is. They go after tech and hate the Humans and just a rogue group (all be it massive) of people who formed from the fall of the Goauld. To me it looked to be just something to use to explain why they went on the ship and cant get back more then anything else.

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The filler episodes will focus on getting food and fixing up the ship to a stable condition. Which will no doubt involve going off-world (off-ship?) and making some decisions along the lines of depriving other races/civilisations of their resrouces, the resources being some form of idol for a civilisation, walking into a middle of a war between two sides etc.

Maybe, It will all be about survival.
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Im guessing they wont have the whole "Allies" side of things as if the ship is travelling at FTL and only dropping out for supplies it would be logical that once the away teams return, theyll be out of range of the planet they just came from. Of course this doesnt mean to say that wherever they are there are other races that have FTL travel and can catch up etc. I think itd water down the potential of the show somewhat if they suddenly discover a stargate that has "no range" enabling them to go wherever they want etc. Itd just turn it into a slightly grittier version of Atlantis with the base on a ship rather than Atlantis, rather than making the most of a fresh start.

True, Even more limited numbers of people and equipment then Atlantis but it has similar elements. I am sure they will make friends who will live on the ship with them. (big enough) With the Ship at full power I bet they get to dial At least Atlantis. Samantha Carter and others are supposed to make cameo Roles now and again.

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Re:Stargate Universe
Reply #38 on: October 07, 2009, 18:30:43 PM
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Main thing I want to know is who attacked the planet. Not really following the series that closely I didnt know whether the ships were Gouald or a new race/class of ships?!

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Lucian_Alliance

I doubt theyll be seen again in SG:U, rumour is that Rush is looking for some kind of time travel technology onboard the Destiny to bring back/save his wife who died of cancer:



Thats why he was so willing to risk the lives of everyone on the base by dialling the ninth chevron instead of Earth/The Alpha Site.

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Reply #39 on: October 08, 2009, 18:09:47 PM
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Admittedly though it was instantly obvious what was going to happen in the pilot when they discovered the hatch that could only be closed from the other side. One other option I found a bit weird that they overlooked though was they could have used one of the Kinos to remotely close the hatch...

I never thought of that. lash the console down and guide it to press down on the button - Problem solved. That is kind of obvious when you you actually think about it. See I do not do that when I watch this stuff :) But your right :)


Even worse, they could have gone for the obvious: theres a hole, stick something in/over it and seal it. I came up with this within seconds of them saying the only way to close the hatch was to be on the wrong side. A simple drop weight activated by a string would press the button. There are probably a few other methods of doing it too. This was one of the most stupid examples of forcing the script where the writers wanted to go that Ive ever seen.

Secondly the hatch is stuck open, its been like that for thousand, probably millions, of years, How come there is any atmosphere in the ship at all?

Thirdly the air filters, how have they become covered in what I assume is carbon when there isnt anyone on board? These systems would be shut down until needed.

The ship is bound to be damaged en route, and systems are inevitably going to break down, so why havent the automatic repair systems kicked in?

They say the ship has been damaged in a battle, but what proof is there of this? How was the ship caught? Perhaps this will be answered sometime.

The plot so far seems even more leaky than the ship.

/puts script dissection kit away.


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Reply #40 on: October 08, 2009, 18:44:03 PM
Admittedly I think the logic was something to do with a failsafe mechanism, where someone HAD to be inside the ship for the door to close, otherwise it remained open, ALA emergency escape pod, hatch is open for quick access etc.

However the whole "patch the hole up" idea is true, though I guess if they only have a few hours left and no materials/equipment this would be difficult?

As to the atmosphere, I got the impression from the start segment, that the ship was powering up when the gate was activated, and current lack of atmosphere was a result of the damage and old equipment not being able to cope, as opposed to it leaking out over time. This is a bit tricky though, given the state of the scrubbers. I guess though they could easily write something in along the lines of some kind of parasite/bacteria got aboard due to the damage which has eaten through the scrubber etc.

Maybe the automatic repair systems were damaged and the ancients didnt think to include an automatic automatic repair repairer?

I too wondered about the battle damage. Only thing I could think of was if the ship had dropped out of hyperspace at some point?


Re:Stargate Universe
Reply #41 on: October 09, 2009, 00:00:36 AM
tought this was boring as hell  lol , time to look for something else to do :)

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Reply #42 on: October 09, 2009, 01:33:33 AM
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Admittedly I think the logic was something to do with a failsafe mechanism, where someone HAD to be inside the ship for the door to close, otherwise it remained open, ALA emergency escape pod, hatch is open for quick access etc.

However the whole "patch the hole up" idea is true, though I guess if they only have a few hours left and no materials/equipment this would be difficult?


they chucked through a whole load of cases, tear one or more up and put that over the hole, plug gaps with cloth and use anything gunky to seal it. Total time 20 minutes, they spent much longer than that deciding on the course of action and then someone getting around to doing it. On the Apollo space missions it was possible for the crew accidentally poke their fingers through the side of the lander by accident, there had to be some way of fixing that. It should be one of the basics of training, how to stop an air leak in an emergency.

I read a moon based short story about 3 people stuck in a section of tunnel with a leak, but they only have 1 airtight emergency suit. one of them plastered some gunk on the leak, dropped his trousers and stuck his bum on it... Second made sure he stayed in place as long as possible and then replaced him when he collapsed, third went for help. OK this leak was bigger, but they had stuff that could do it.

I think that killing off Senator Christopher McDonald might have been a big mistake, his character could have enhanced the storyline with a military, political and scientific split.

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Reply #43 on: October 09, 2009, 09:30:35 AM
Surely it depends on the nature of the hole/shield?

Could be that the shield prevented anything from being attached to the hull? Or maybe the Ancients materials are such that human made adhesives do not bond to their metals etc?

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Reply #44 on: October 09, 2009, 15:42:34 PM
Might be, but did they try? Someone committing suicide should be the very last option or someone grabbing the idea and just going for it. What would hold it there would simply be suction, 1 atmosphere on something and it can be really difficult, if not effectively impossible, to remove.

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