Author Topic: Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc? (Read 5017 times)

neXus · **Reply #30 on:** October 27, 2009, 06:22:26 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #30 on: October 27, 2009, 06:22:26 AM

I am confused how your using windows 7

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A slidey volume control is way better. Its like a knob is better than those stupid buttons you get on some hifis.

Erm? Windows volume control, click scroll up down with slider for volume control as it always has been, As I said I use the Realtec keyed to my mouse but tried this, works fine.

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WMP. Bad design - extra clicks.

I use VLC, but the times I use the new media player I have less clicks to do things, so how are you using this?

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Taskbar grouping - extra clicks to find something. Bad design. Dont get me started on the lack of quick launch and the pinning stuff. A pinned program opens once and then you lose the pinned icon. Stupid.

Quick launch - yes stupid and it is being patched in but it is not extra clicks. You can prevent the grouping but you do not need to click.
All you do is hover hover, see the live previews and then if you hover over a certain object in that group it puts it in focus. You also got the shake and smart tab etc.

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Networking bit - extra clicks. Bad design. PITA if youre going from site to site and have to keep changing TCP/IP.

Again, Not being mean here but you have to question how your using the OS. Sounds like you have it set up and using it in the gayest way possible and making it hard for yourself. Of course your going to hate it like this.

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Logon screen - extra typing to do the same thing. Bad design.

And Again. Extra typing? Mentioned the login stuff briefly before but for me compared to xp/vista - exactly the same, just a lot nice.

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Minimize on the right. Which is the opposite side of the screen to the start menu and all the desktop icons. Extra mouse dragging. Bad design.

No mouse dragging needed at all for a start but this location position is one of the biggest usability requests for the OS, I am with the majority, its miles better here.

I think if you just label a hate tag on anything and use it and then use it in the crappiest way possible to justify your pre-emptive hatred for it your going to hate and moan it. I have to agree with others here and say you just do not like change.

neXus · **Reply #31 on:** October 27, 2009, 06:23:03 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #31 on: October 27, 2009, 06:23:03 AM

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I dont get why people are having issues. Ive been using the Microsoft Partner release since late August and the only issue I have is the occasional lockup of IE8 when opening a new tab, but thats just IE8 being inherently awful.

Other than that, its great.

Very True, never touch IE8 other then testing.

neXus · **Reply #32 on:** October 27, 2009, 08:38:15 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #32 on: October 27, 2009, 08:38:15 AM

Oh And shortcut keys...

* Win+Home: Clear all but the active window.
* Win+Space: All windows become transparent so you can see through to the desktop.
* Win+Up arrow: Maximize the active window.
* Shift+Win+Up arrow: Maximize the active window vertically.
* Win+Down arrow: Minimize the window/Restore the window if its maximized.
* Win+Left/Right arrows: Dock the window to each side of the monitor.
* Shift+Win+Left/Right arrows: Move the window to the monitor on the left or right.
* Drag window to the top: Maximize
* Drag window left/right: Dock the window to fill half of the screen.
* Shake window back/forth: Minimize everything but the current window.
* Double-Click Top Window Border (edge):

Hot keys in regard to the pinned apps:

* Win+number (1-9): Starts the application pinned to the taskbar in that position, or switches to that program.
* Shift+Win+number (1-9): Starts a new instance of the application pinned to the taskbar in that position.
* Ctrl+Win+number (1-9): Cycles through open windows for the application pinned to the taskbar in that position.
* Alt+Win+number (1-9): Opens the Jump List for the application pinned to the taskbar.
* Win+T: Focus and scroll through items on the taskbar.
* Win+B: Focuses the System Tray icons

* Shift+Click on a taskbar button: Open a program or quickly open another instance of a program.
* Ctrl+Shift+Click on a taskbar button: Open a program as an administrator.
* Shift+Right-click on a taskbar button: Show the window menu for the program (like XP does).
* Shift+Right-click on a grouped taskbar button: Show the window menu for the group.
* Ctrl+Click on a grouped taskbar button: Cycle through the windows of the group.

Thinking about it I think People who are adapting to the new way things work are liking it a lot. It is much better.
The people who are not adapting and trying to do old things in the old way are finding it hard to use and getting annoyed by it. This is of course is the wrong way to go about doing it. Like Mac OSX windows 7 is a lot more quick access approach. Controlling and launching in better ways. Yes it can work like you would use vista or XP but you shouldnt.

zpyder · **Reply #33 on:** October 27, 2009, 08:48:52 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #33 on: October 27, 2009, 08:48:52 AM

One thing I really like is the fact sleep mode in W7 actually does sleep, rather than in vista where all it seems to do is turn the power off to the monitor ><

Pete · **Reply #34 on:** October 27, 2009, 17:30:09 PM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #34 on: October 27, 2009, 17:30:09 PM

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I am confused how your using windows 7

Erm? Windows volume control, click scroll up down with slider for volume control as it always has been, As I said I use the Realtec keyed to my mouse but tried this, works fine.

Try clicking on the volume control - on my laptop it goes up or down ~20. K this aint an issue with a mouse but with a touchpad its a pita. XP does this too so I guess it aint a far crit..

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I use VLC, but the times I use the new media player I have less clicks to do things, so how are you using this?

Click the little ^ by the volume control, then click & drag to change the volume. Kb shortcuts are fine but theyve crippled the clicky control.

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Quick launch - yes stupid and it is being patched in but it is not extra clicks. You can prevent the grouping but you do not need to click.
All you do is hover hover, see the live previews and then if you hover over a certain object in that group it puts it in focus. You also got the shake and smart tab etc.

Still dont like it. I found a fix though - see link below.

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Again, Not being mean here but you have to question how your using the OS. Sounds like you have it set up and using it in the gayest way possible and making it hard for yourself. Of course your going to hate it like this.

If it was a once off config or DHCP itd be fine but say Im going from site to site I have a static IP in the office because I have stuff forwarded to my IP, then at other sites or at home I need a different static IP or dynamic IP, and then when Im configuring routers for customers I need another different static IP. I dont see the reason to bury it.

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And Again. Extra typing? Mentioned the login stuff briefly before but for me compared to xp/vista - exactly the same, just a lot nice.

I mean having to type in .\administrator to log in locally and type in domain\administrator to log onto the domain instead of having a neat dropdown box. This is fine for home or office but for techie stuff its a pain.

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No mouse dragging needed at all for a start but this location position is one of the biggest usability requests for the OS, I am with the majority, its miles better here.

Nope

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I think if you just label a hate tag on anything and use it and then use it in the crappiest way possible to justify your pre-emptive hatred for it your going to hate and moan it. I have to agree with others here and say you just do not like change.

I love Microsoft stuff and Im fine with change. Exchange 2007 > 2003; Server 2008 R2 > Server 2003; Hyper-V > Virtual Server 2005, etc. 7 is a huge step up from Vista but its got some stupid features.

Some 7 tweaks -
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/62-windows-7-tips-tricks-and-secrets-643861?artc_pg=1

neXus · **Reply #35 on:** October 27, 2009, 23:32:19 PM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #35 on: October 27, 2009, 23:32:19 PM

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Try clicking on the volume control - on my laptop it goes up or down ~20. K this aint an issue with a mouse but with a touchpad its a pita. XP does this too so I guess it aint a far crit..

Ahh, Ok. Then you use the new shortcut keys for it

Everything now has decent shortcuts and just about everything can be right clicked to get its properties and controls.

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Click the little ^ by the volume control, then click & drag to change the volume. Kb shortcuts are fine but theyve crippled the clicky control.

Why would you be doing it this way? Dodgy way

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Still dont like it. I found a fix though - see link below.

Might not like it but it is configurable. Not as bad as you said earlier. If it is just a preference then that is fine. You probably wont like Mac OSX for similar reasons.

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If it was a once off config or DHCP itd be fine but say Im going from site to site I have a static IP in the office because I have stuff forwarded to my IP, then at other sites or at home I need a different static IP or dynamic IP, and then when Im configuring routers for customers I need another different static IP. I dont see the reason to bury it.

You can set up grouping stuff for this and just click group and auto change all configuration based on the setup. That is what that new stuff is for. I got two made up. Supposed to be handy for mobile use like laptops in different environments if you need more then jus the auto detect. Again they copied Mac OSx on this quite a bit.

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I mean having to type in .\administrator to log in locally and type in domain\administrator to log onto the domain instead of having a neat dropdown box. This is fine for home or office but for techie stuff its a pain.

No experience on this, hmm. I am sure you can turn it to be a drop down.

No mouse dragging needed at all for a start but this location position is one of the biggest usability requests for the OS, I am with the majority, its miles better here.

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Nope

But with the shortcuts I showed earlier and the way everything else works and the mouse stuff you do not need this really any more. It is just there as extra and put in an area that is not in the way like the old one was.

zpyder · **Reply #36 on:** October 29, 2009, 09:33:47 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #36 on: October 29, 2009, 09:33:47 AM

Well Ive managed to grind W7s startup to a slowdown comparable to vista. Im not sure whether its ArcGIS which installs more files than windows & office put together with things that load on startup, or Kaspersky slowing things down.

At least on the plus side sleep mode is actually sleep mode, so it takes the time it takes to turn my monitor back on to boot if I put the comp to sleep. In vista the fans and hdds etc stayed active and it only turned the monitor off!

Eggtastico · **Reply #37 on:** October 29, 2009, 09:41:17 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #37 on: October 29, 2009, 09:41:17 AM

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Well Ive managed to grind W7s startup to a slowdown comparable to vista. Im not sure whether its ArcGIS which installs more files than windows & office put together with things that load on startup, or Kaspersky slowing things down.

At least on the plus side sleep mode is actually sleep mode, so it takes the time it takes to turn my monitor back on to boot if I put the comp to sleep. In vista the fans and hdds etc stayed active and it only turned the monitor off!

If your putting it to sleep, then it will take a while to boot back up! kind of defeats the object sometimes..

Just ordered windows 7 ultimate.. hopfully Ill get it when I get back home to blighty next friday.. but wont get chance to install it until the sunday.

Quixoticish · **Reply #38 on:** October 29, 2009, 10:15:43 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #38 on: October 29, 2009, 10:15:43 AM

The boot times are incredibly nippy for me its managed to half my XP boot time plus there is no annoying grinding and churning after boot whilst Mozy and NOD32 do their thing.

zpyder · **Reply #39 on:** October 29, 2009, 10:25:39 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #39 on: October 29, 2009, 10:25:39 AM

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Quote from: zpyder
Well Ive managed to grind W7s startup to a slowdown comparable to vista. Im not sure whether its ArcGIS which installs more files than windows & office put together with things that load on startup, or Kaspersky slowing things down.

At least on the plus side sleep mode is actually sleep mode, so it takes the time it takes to turn my monitor back on to boot if I put the comp to sleep. In vista the fans and hdds etc stayed active and it only turned the monitor off!

If your putting it to sleep, then it will take a while to boot back up! kind of defeats the object sometimes..

It really doesnt. It takes the same amount of time as if I clicked log out.

EG, I press the power button to wake it up (from no fans or anything powered), press my monitors power button, and when the monitor lights up (~2-3 secs) I am presented with the log in screen (as I am the only user I just hit enter), and then within about 5 seconds the desktop is back to how it was when I put it back to sleep.

This is compared to powering on from normal "off" mode, which takes 15 secs or so to go through the bios/post and present with the dual boot screen, this is set to 10 secs (but ignore that). In vista it would take 30-60 seconds to get to any form of desktop, and a further 2-3 minutes before anything actually appears on it, with about a minute after that until anything becomes clickable. In Windows 7 from the boot loader, it takes maybe 15-20 seconds to get to the desktop and then a further 20 till its pretty much operable. Before I installed ArcGIS and Kaspersky it was operable in about 3 seconds.

My point is that sleep mode gets my desktop fully back within the time it takes for my PC to get to the dual boot screen, in less than <10 secs.

Quixoticish · **Reply #40 on:** October 29, 2009, 10:31:14 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #40 on: October 29, 2009, 10:31:14 AM

What, pray tell, is the difference between sleep and hibernate?

zpyder · **Reply #41 on:** October 29, 2009, 10:33:25 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #41 on: October 29, 2009, 10:33:25 AM

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What, pray tell, is the difference between sleep and hibernate?

I dont get the hibernate option, just sleep. I noticed when I was first installing W7 that the sleep option was greyed out whilst windows update had things to install!

Pete · **Reply #42 on:** October 29, 2009, 15:01:47 PM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #42 on: October 29, 2009, 15:01:47 PM

Sleep is like standby - non-essential stuff gets turned off but information in the RAM remains. Meaning its fine until you lose power, then youre back on a cold boot.

Hibernate turns the pc/laptop off but stores the contents of the ram in a system state file so when you power on again it picks up where it left off. I think hibernate is only available by default on laptops but you can enable it on a normal PC if you look at Power Options (in XP you can anyway).

Serious · **Reply #43 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:50:33 AM

Re:Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #43 on: October 31, 2009, 07:50:33 AM

Hibernate is mostly used on laptops cause it tends to be quicker to start than normal but plenty of computers have issues with it. Quite often Laptops will hibernate after a set period of time to save power.

White Giant · **Reply #44 on:** November 01, 2009, 01:09:17 AM

Windows 7 quirks/niggles etc?

Reply #44 on: November 01, 2009, 01:09:17 AM

All I want is WMP toolbar function, but its not happening. Woe is me.

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