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Ataxia (Chinese Stem cell)
on: March 04, 2008, 20:32:14 PM
on one hand their previous human rights record is disgusting, but are the world leaders in stem cell
research, read this.
http://www.stemcellschina.com/content/view/585/283/lang,en/

NAME: David Robert Blair      David Blair
       
COUNTRY: Scotland (Campbeltown)

AGE: 33

DIAGNOSIS: Spinocerebellar Ataxia Type 1, diagnosed in April 1998.

REASON FOR COMING FOR TREATMENT:  David hoped to improve his balance, mobility and coordination, and to be able to play football with his kids. He also hoped to improve his speech.

TREATMENT: Umbilical Cord Stem Cell and Nerve Growth Factor Injections with Rehabilitation Therapy

START OF TREATMENT: March 5, 2007

David had unsteady balance and poor coordination. He could only stand up for a short time without support. He had difficulty walking heel-to-toe on flat surfaces, and could not walk up or down stairs without using a handrail. He had slurred speech when tired. He could flex his fingers and grip objects, but he could not hold things steadily.

AFTER THE TREATMENT:

David’s balance and coordination improved significantly. He was able to stand up straight with no support for extended periods. He was able to walk more easily than before on flat surfaces, and for the first time in seven years he could walk up and down stairs without a handrail. He could also go up and down stairs sideways, which he could not do before the treatment. His speech was no longer as slurred as before. He could also grip objects more steadily. This improved his writing and allowing him to perform day-to-day tasks which he could not do before treatment, such as tying his laces or drinking a cup of water by himself. As a result of these improvements, David was far more self-dependant than before. He was also more confident.

VIDEOS:

March 7th: Standing

March 9th: Stairs, Balance, Walking

March 13th: Coordination

March 14th: Balance

March 15th: Stairs

March 21st: Balance

March 23rd: Stairs

April 2nd: Coordination

April 3rd: Stairs, Walking

blimey can you asee our government doing this.
the Chinese government is expected to funnel as much as $132 million annually into the research over the next five years"

and this, “China is the sleeping giant (for stem cell research).”
-Fred Gage - Salk Institute

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Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 22:42:33 PM
For some reason Im inclined to take it with a pinch of salt until I see some research in a peer reviewed journal or similar. Conspiracy theory mode in overdrive makes me wonder how easy it would be to create such a site as a bit of Pro-China propaganda?

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Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 02:28:55 AM
I would go with zpyder on this one, last medical marvel I heard of coming out of China was a million people being infected with AIDS due to a blood transfusion scam company. Unless there is some real proof then the risks outweigh the possible benefits. Oh, and if there was this use of stemcells then the western countries would be looking into it too.

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Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 03:03:07 AM
Stem Cells are the way to go but they can now grow them from your own stuff taken from you now and grow stem cells from that, was posted on these forums.
I would also agree to wait till real doctors in known medical locations with merit and qualifications to develop stuff and then deem it safe for the public rather then going to China now

Re:Ataxia (Chinese Stem cell)
Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 08:48:02 AM
unfortunately time is not with me, I cant wait, everyday is bloody hard now,
how can a YouTube Video done by David Blair, be considered as a fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey93g5OoLy0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4s6jqEOk-A&feature=related

reading the youtube comments they dont reply anymore.

Re:Ataxia (Chinese Stem cell)
Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 09:25:08 AM
didnt some country claim to have cured aids the other day? sounds a similar thing really a "look at me" type thing

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Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 09:55:49 AM
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didnt some country claim to have cured aids the other day? sounds a similar thing really a "look at me" type thing

if I had full blown Aids, id not worry, over the years countrys have spent millions, the drugs now days give you a good life, as yet Ataxia is back seat stuff.

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Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 11:22:29 AM
They can now farm stem cells from skin cells.  The moral problem of pulling them from embryos will vanish in the near future and then were golden.

Probably not in time for you or I but the technology is progressing in the West at an incredible rate.  Its just not at human trials (which to be honest is understandable since we have no real idea what stem cells will do).  Theres no reason why stem cells wont simply grow into massive tumours without further study for example.

Im still waiting to see what the final results for human growth hormone are and thats been circulating through trials for a lot longer than stem cells

Ataxia (Chinese Stem cell)
Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 11:51:47 AM
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They can now farm stem cells from skin cells.  The moral problem of pulling them from embryos will vanish in the near future and then were golden.

Probably not in time for you or I but the technology is progressing in the West at an incredible rate.  Its just not at human trials (which to be honest is understandable since we have no real idea what stem cells will do).  Theres no reason why stem cells wont simply grow into massive tumours without further study for example.

Im still waiting to see what the final results for human growth hormone are and thats been circulating through trials for a lot longer than stem cells

im prepared to run the risk, ill human trial anything, typing this is nearly impossible, but the scientists have about 25 years to find a drug for my kids.

great quotes. Thought Provoking Quotes.

“the Chinese government is expected to funnel as much as $132 million annually into the research over the next five years.”
-UK Stem Cell Initiative.

we know the Uk Stem cell runs on charity, our goverment f**ked up the NHS, over money, so UK Stem Cell will not get a penny.

another quote.
“Every lab I saw during a recent visit to China had hugely expensive, state-of-the-art equipment and was buzzing with young scientists. Many of those scientists had been educated in the United States.”
-Stephen Minger - U.S. Stem Cell

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Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 12:02:45 PM
http://www.stemcellschina.com/content/view/202/124/lang,en/
 Beike - Kymberly Graf       PDF        Print        E-mail
Friday, 07 July 2006


P A T I E N T  E X P E R I E N C E – A T A X I AKymberly

NAME: Kymberly Graf
   
COUNTRY: Canada  

AGE: 19

DIAGNOSIS: Spinocerebellar Ataxia 2

REASON FOR COMING FOR TREATMENT:  Kymberly’s family had a history of Ataxia and she had been feeling the symptoms for about 6 years. It had gotten to the point where it was starting to affect her studies at school.

START OF TREATMENT: April 4, 2006 Umbilical Cord Stem Cell and Nerve Growth Factor Injections with Rehabilitation Therapy

BEFORE THE TREATMENT:

Video: Before

Her speech was slurred.  She had difficulty walking straight, jerkiness in her arms and hand, and cramps in her legs. She had trouble focusing on things. She had trouble typing because her hand would jerk off the keyboard.

AFTER THE TREATMENT:

See Videos: After 1, After 2, After 3,  After 4, After 5, After 6, After 7, After 8

Kymberly had an improvement in her balance. She could walk down stairs without holding on to the railing. She was able to spin around more easily. She could catch a ball more consistently. She could type twice as fast.

China Stem Cell News Note: Kymberly was very camera shy so we had to get most of the footage related to her improvements from her parents. Kymberly also did not get down to the rehabilitation room very often for rehabilitation. Her father, Tim, has said that since Kymberly has returned home, she has kept her improvements and when she does the exercises they were assigned, she gets more improvement.

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Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 12:18:18 PM
I think the site is genuine, theres over a 100  Patient Experiences.

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Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 12:25:51 PM
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im prepared to run the risk, ill human trial anything, typing this is nearly impossible, but the scientists have about 25 years to find a drug for my kids.


Have you tried contacting universities and research centres to offer your services as a human guinea pig?

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Reply #12 on: March 05, 2008, 12:42:07 PM
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im prepared to run the risk, ill human trial anything, typing this is nearly impossible, but the scientists have about 25 years to find a drug for my kids.


Have you tried contacting universities and research centers to offer your services as a human guinea pig?

yes Ive done that thanks Chris. me and my sister have.

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Reply #13 on: March 05, 2008, 12:56:51 PM
I hate to be such a downer, but the thing that gets me about that site is, the fact that publications like New Scientist, which though glossy, tend to contain the groundbreaking news stories of the science world. They frequently publish articles on stem cell research.

However the latest issues all detail some form of stem cell research still at the lab and test rat/mouse stage. The closest I think I can remember to human trials was a statement that a technique mentioned would be ready in a couple of years for human trials. That site is, to me, the equivalent of a website being made 5 years ago advertising todays modern tech computers. Its possible, but not available quite yet. If it was it would have been on the BBC and all other major news channels much like Dolly the sheep. The labs leading the forefront of this kind of research are striving to be the first to achieve their goals, the second they can itll hit international headlines, not a website that is linked to on a forum...

It could of course be that these different patient reports are the result of trials that arent of the standard required for true scientific recognition. A lack of control groups and proper protocols etc. But then if this is the case, you have to ask yourself how many more people took part in the trials with no signs of treatment effect on them, or even negative effects, which the site may exclude from publishing.

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Reply #14 on: March 05, 2008, 13:33:28 PM
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I hate to be such a downer, but the thing that gets me about that site is, the fact that publications like New Scientist, which though glossy, tend to contain the groundbreaking news stories of the science world. They frequently publish articles on stem cell research.

However the latest issues all detail some form of stem cell research still at the lab and test rat/mouse stage. The closest I think I can remember to human trials was a statement that a technique mentioned would be ready in a couple of years for human trials. That site is, to me, the equivalent of a website being made 5 years ago advertising todays modern tech computers. Its possible, but not available quite yet. If it was it would have been on the BBC and all other major news channels much like Dolly the sheep. The labs leading the forefront of this kind of research are striving to be the first to achieve their goals, the second they can itll hit international headlines, not a website that is linked to on a forum...

It could of course be that these different patient reports are the result of trials that arent of the standard required for true scientific recognition. A lack of control groups and proper protocols etc. But then if this is the case, you have to ask yourself how many more people took part in the trials with no signs of treatment effect on them, or even negative effects, which the site may exclude from publishing.

if you were in my shoes, you might see things differently, some people have severe reactions, but I m at the stage where nothing matters

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