Isnt modulo the pascal that the guy developed for actual use for programming... pascal was indeed purely meant for teaching purposes only.

Also AI... isnt that normally Prolog or LISP or ADA?

lazy barstewards !

bloody students dont know the meaning of the words "work" or "stress"

were closed for 2 days at christmas, and 1at new year.... tho Ill be working boxing day, so 3 days for the guys working for me, and 2 days for me.... you dont get rich sitting on your ass.

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Theres no such thing as a heirarchical database, you mean a heirarchical data structure. And why are they teaching you outdated (and I mean OUTDATED) stuff like Codasyl. I had to look it up to see what it was.

Your telling me that what I am reading on my course is wrong. Its referred to in the course notes as a heirarchical database, the data structure of a heirarchical database is in fact a logical tree.

It is also referred to as exactly that on the coursework sheet that I paraphrased earlier.

Codasyl was an historic leap. Prior to the Codasyl group there were no ratified standards for database type storage, heirarchical databases were all that existed, aside from some odd programmers coming up with their own sort of configuration, but again this was completely unstandardised.

Codasyl lead to the revolution that was Relational based databases, which coincidentally lead to the new revolution promoted in oracle 9 and 10 of Object databases.

The above may indeed be incorrect but its what im being taught in uni, and so its what I will be examined on, and so telling me otherwise will not change my opinion that it is infact gospel for the time being.

Basically from briefing reading abouy Codasyl earlier its a navigation database (ie totally outdated and about as much use now as learning about valves and punchcards).

A logical tree /  h data structure is just a parent - child system. An hours study max.

What an utter waste of your life theyre teaching you. About as much use in commerce as speaking Gaelic.

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hey - we had to use pascal for an AI module - oh what fun that was!

how?!

Pascal is a pure learning language, you cant do a damned thing with it!

Yes you can, you can print hello world! repeatedly on your screen for a start, give me a few months and I will think of other options too.

Really it was widely used for real world programming - until they found there was better things out there

you dont get rich sitting on your ass.

Plenty of rich b*stards do, mostly in big offices of corporates

Now get off your donkey and do some work  :mrgreen:

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And why are they teaching you outdated (and I mean OUTDATED) stuff like Codasyl. I had to look it up to see what it was.

Its quite typical for old technogies/systems/ideas to be used in modules these days, however long its been going on.  

Take a microprocessor module for example, theyll probably use 2 processors, controllers whatever through a year, ie 8086 and pentium.  How obvious the age of the information is varies.

I think the point of it is to look at the basic foundations of a topic and gradaully work into some level of detail or evoution of a system.  Though I dont allways agree with it.

Im guessing though in this case its something extreemly pointless to the point of not worth knowing about?

In this case it is extremely pertinent. Considering im actually in the lectures and sams knowledge of codasyl consists of googling for a bit. Id side on my side.

In this case it is extremely pertinent. Considering im actually in the lectures and sams knowledge of codasyl consists of googling for a bit. Id side on my side.

I write software for a living mate. I can tell you right now, no company on the planet will give a toss about codasyl.

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In this case it is extremely pertinent. Considering im actually in the lectures and sams knowledge of codasyl consists of googling for a bit. Id side on my side.

I write software for a living mate. I can tell you right now, no company on the planet will give a toss about codasyl.

Unlike what you seem to think of university degrees, its not a vocational deal.

Neither is assembly language, or lisp. Heck knowing how to do discrete cosine transform and fast fourier transforms (compression algorithms) is likely to never actually ever get used. Knowing the progression of computers as we know it from the pascaline to the super computers of today is also likely to never get used in the workplace.

However it is education. How many times have you needed to work out the speed of a rocketship? see... physics in school.. much of it is ultimately pointless in a vocational sense.

If I wanted to simply learn about things that are pertinent to current technology and jobs then Id have finished my A levels, and just got involved in doing IT certifications.

how did my christmas hols thread get changed to geek talk.

holy sh*t.