Unfortunately God created genetics knowing what it would do. He could have made our genetics perfect, so that, like at least some microbes, we would not be susceptible  to diseases like cancer. The problem with this is he would really have had to make each of us, rather than roll the dice and see if what god knew came true, we would never have evolved.

The question now is do we still need to evolve as a species or can we do the job better ourselves? This is a weak argument, we could have been given a task to remove genetic diseases from our population, instead of which we allow them to continue. This does not mean killing people, just making sure they do not reproduce the disease by having children who carry the gene(s). If we know about a disease and still have children then we take the risk of giving it to them.

There is a second weak argument in that without people suffering horrible diseases we would never know how well off everyone else is. Knowing people are worse off than me certainly makes me feel better about my arthritis torturing me.

The issue of disasters is that they are random, they are not directly controlled by god (or multiples if such exist). People who die are either evil, in which case they end up in hell, or good ones who go to heaven. In either case they still survive in a manner.

As to the person winning the lottery, its a random event, the authorities should have taxed the money at 100% and given some to the woman, then given the rapist another year year in a secure prison for escaping. God isnt the issue here, its weak humans being kind to offenders when we should be tough.

God has a billion and one get out clauses waiting to be released and at the end of the trial just try getting god to foot the bill in court...

The Mc Rea family, how did a 5 year old boy deserve to die, and now the other half of  the family have to deal with it, is that a test.

Steve, so far ive only watched one of that fellas videos, but i agree with what hes said so far 100%. Im going to watch the rest of them as it looks like interesting viewing, cheers for posting it

np - assumed Id posted him before.  Ive followed him for a while now on youtube and hes one of my regular must watch podcasts.  If a few others havent seen him Ill make a seperate thread.

He raises some good points.

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Steve, so far ive only watched one of that fellas videos, but i agree with what hes said so far 100%. Im going to watch the rest of them as it looks like interesting viewing, cheers for posting it

np - assumed Id posted him before.  Ive followed him for a while now on youtube and hes one of my regular must watch podcasts.  If a few others havent seen him Ill make a seperate thread.

He raises some good points.

Another person trying to ply the line between the two camps of religion and science, although doing it very well, in a humorous way. TBH though science depends on belief as much as anything else so really its just another religious camp amongst the many.

Good link and worth making another thread

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Yes it is a test. As Ive said, those that suffered will be rewarded in the afterlife, read the story of Job (http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/job.htm).

Again I dont believe in this, but this is a religious debate.

That bloody rapist, is a horrible man, he said Ill keep on offending, this time the best lawyers will get me off. I cant find the story.

As I said, the fault is ours, why should god blast him with a bolt of lightning when we allow him out ourselves?

That bloody rapist, is a horrible man, he said Ill keep on offending, this time the best lawyers will get me off. I cant find the story.

Um, whats that got do with my post? Which answers your original question btw.

OK explain this one, it clear you think the McCanns killed Madelaine, but they preyed with the pope, for her release, if the pope had your beliefs hes a lyer then.

I have kept a constant not guilty until proven stance. I distrust the evidence in the case and some of the theories they are producing are plainly not far off flights of fantasy.

As for the pope Im not a Roman Catholic either, hes just a man with no more contact with god than you or I. The bible has been distorted and misused throughout history to the point that you cannot believe that it tells anything like the story it should. This is mans fault too, entirely because some are too greedy.

As people can gather, Im a Atheist, any religious nut who tries to argue with  me gets this, Me and many others struggle with Ataxia, then theres millions of other diseases, god designed this and then handed them out, what sadistic sod would do that, god could not be so nasty, people get Ill, its tough luck.

And Muslims go around blowing people up, hows that religious..

People easily kill in his name.

like the Tsunami, If it missed major islands, wed not have known would we.

I bet religion has killed more people than anything else.
Look how many wars there are over it & its all a sham!

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OK explain this one, it clear you think the McCanns killed Madelaine, but they preyed with the pope, for her release, if the pope had your beliefs hes a lyer then.

I have kept a constant not guilty until proven stance. I distrust the evidence in the case and some of the theories they are producing are plainly not far off flights of fantasy.

As for the pope Im not a Roman Catholic either, hes just a man with no more contact with god than you or I. The bible has been distorted and misused throughout history to the point that you cannot believe that it tells anything like the story it should. This is mans fault too, entirely because some are too greedy.

In that case this Thread is very missleading.

You did it, didnt you?
http://www.tekforums.co.uk/posts/list/9440.page

It gives the choice of being as innocent as the mCCanns, it does not give an opinion on their being guilty or not!

So I didnt do that.