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Im not saying enforce it, but make it optional.

Rather than the draconian blanket ban on all inside public locations we have, make concessions. Premises can then decide for themselves what will generate the most revenue for them.

how is that in any way different to what it was like before the ban though?

Because before the ban there was nothing in place to say "look, make the air clean [with air conditioning] or make people smoke outside" so no one had to bother, people could choke quite happily.

Now there isnt even an option.

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Quote from: Clockd 0Ne

Im not saying enforce it, but make it optional.

Rather than the draconian blanket ban on all inside public locations we have, make concessions. Premises can then decide for themselves what will generate the most revenue for them.

how is that in any way different to what it was like before the ban though?

Because before the ban there was nothing in place to say "look, make the air clean [with air conditioning] or make people smoke outside" so no one had to bother, people could choke quite happily.

Now there isnt even an option.

air conditioning isnt going to stop the health risk from smoking - but the whole point of the ban now is for people to go outside - that is the option

Being a smoker I have to say that I am not that fussed about having to go outside for a smoke.  Is no big deal.

Although, I have to say that in Bristol there are several big pubs that were actually split into smoking and non smoking.  The smoking side of the pubs were always crammed with people and the non smoking part of the pub, well to be honest, "empty"!  The non-smoking only pubs were also "empty".    What was happening before the ban came in was the "moaners" would come into the smoking areas and "moan" ... I dont fully understand why we could not have smoking/non-smoking areas?  I fully understand smoking being banned in restaurants, but pubs wtf, sod of you moany bunch of bstards.  Why was this a problem ... why not force pubs to put in air-con ... tbh, a lot of bigger pubs did/do have air con.

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So put in some nice air conditioning and watch the peeps on low lying areas drown from global warming. Nice idea...

eh? global warming caused by air conditioning? - I guess this would be a topic for a different thread

Running air conditioning uses a lot of power. If you forced all the pubs in the UK to do it then it would increase our power useage by a lot.

kind of missed my point there a bit - you were talking about global warning

still missing the point dude - like I said it is prob a topic for a different thread - but the theory that global warming is related to CO2 emissions is debatable

The modern world is obsessed with risk-free culture.

Fork it.

Live a little - who really gives a sh*t about a little bit of smoke. And no your not going to die from lung cancer because of the smoke in that club you visit once a week, you need to get a grip if you think that.

I love to roll up and have a quick smoke (or 5) with a few pints of insert-cold-alcoholic-beverage-here.

For every liberty we gain - Two are being stripped from us.

How about we enforce a few other rules on society?

Anyone up for banning sex, alcohol?

Id rather live to the age of 40 and look back knowing I had a beautiful care-free as possible life than get my telegram from the queen.

On the other hand as a smoker - The ban doesnt bother me that much and so far hasnt really affected me too much (its summer so Ive been outside instead of in most of the time while at pubs ).

The world needs to take a chill pill. This ban is only the first step in a long line of petty legislation which is guaranteed to keep on being rolled out as we drift into the future.


Everything is going just great if you love a nanny state...

I love it.

The pubs ive been to, havent stunk of BO or anything, they just smelt nice.

the clubs ive been to, stunk of BO, which I thought was disgusting, but I just felt embarrassed for the drunk people who were producing the fowl smells, why the hell should we cover up those smells with smoke? how about we just tell these people they stink, they need some deoderant and maybe theyll improve their hygene a little. I like to dance as much as the next drunk guy, but its always the long haired sweaty geggar, or the overly fat people that obviously hasnt washed in a week that stinks.

Im not bothered about lung cancer, but smoke hurts my chest. I like clubbing and I like the option to go out without suffering pain.

I agree certain establishments should be smokable, and there should be smoking rooms (NOTE: not a part of a room, seperated by an invisible barrier, an actual physical room with walls and a door), because I hate walking through the stupid ignorant selfish smokers who huddle close to the door outside of the pub, meaning we have to walk through a cloud of smoke anyway? I mean jesus christ how thick are these people? are they doing it just to spite us people who get chest problems?

Im happy anyway, I dont mind if people smoke, I just like the option of having more pubs to go to, it seems like the only pub ive been in years is wetherspoons because it was smoke free, now I can go out and explore and see what other places are like in my area. And if you stand by the door of a pub and make people walk past you to get to a smoke free pub, youre an effing prick and you dont deserve an opinion so dont bother to moan. Do the right thing and walk about ten feet to the left of the door PLEASE.

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The modern world is obsessed with risk-free culture.

Fork it.

Live a little - who really gives a sh*t about a little bit of smoke. And no your not going to die from lung cancer because of the smoke in that club you visit once a week, you need to get a grip if you think that.

Id rather live to the age of 40 and look back knowing I had a beautiful care-free as possible life than get my telegram from the queen.

Live a little who gives a sh*t about your health, die from alchohol poisining, hurt someone because you were so blind drunk you couldnt see, some weird japanese STD given or recieved, who cares.  Thats what your saying right?

Personally, I care enough to look after myself and responsible rnough to care for those around me.  Rather live 40 years?  Thats the beauty of free will, thats your choice to make, not one for others.

No, thats not what Im saying.

Im not sure you quite understood what I was getting at.

Theres a big difference between the view I expressed above and that of someone completely nihilistic as you described.

If Im in the company of non-smokers Ill almost always ask if they mind me smoking - and there are many many places I wouldnt dream of lighting up out of courtesy - However a pub really isnt one of them.

Such is the beauty of sacrifice, moderation, values and common sense. I dont need a law to decide those for me, especially not one as tedious as the smoking ban, do you?

Back to my point about the nanny state thing - Do you believe we need more law and legislation like that recently passed? Are people so stupid they need to be told how best to live their lives.

On the other hand... maybe Im just young and naive.

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The modern world is obsessed with risk-free culture.

Fork it.

I have at least five mates that thought the way you do, now all of them think they were dumb ****s who had no idea what they were talking about

Well, four now, one of them died of liver failure.

Thats really tragic and Im sorry to hear that.

Are you arguing using that example and the wisdom of hindsight that a few more laws, legislations, limits etc. would be a good thing as theyd help to stop things like this happening?

If so I can really relate to where your coming from - Really doesnt say much about your late friends ability to look after himself though.

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For every liberty we gain - Two are being stripped from us.

When was one given back again? :shrug:

Youve got me there! Ill change it to this:

Were loosing our liberties - Its only a matter of time now until were living in cages being fed from a drip.


p.s. this seems a bit heated to be in general discussion :shock:   - Whats going on?! xD